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I have not done an a/b test. When I bought my 105, I sold my aging Sony ES Preamp. The 105 just opened up the soundstage and was very detailed. Much more than my Sony ES ever did.


This could easily be placebo.
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This could easily be placebo.

It could be a placebo affect. But, it just sounded more detailed than when my Sony was in the picture.

A/B test, unless done with a switch between the speakers, can also be a placebo affect.

Maybe I would like the sound of HDMI out to an Preamp and let the Preamp do the decoding. I just decided to save money on not upgrading my Preamp and decided to put that money in an SVS subwoofer.

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It could be a placebo affect. But, it just sounded more detailed than when my Sony was in the picture.

A/B test, unless done with a switch between the speakers, can also be a placebo affect.

Maybe I would like the sound of HDMI out to an Preamp and let the Preamp do the decoding. I just decided to save money on not upgrading my Preamp and decided to put that money in an SVS subwoofer.

I think you made the right choice with a good Sub as that no question has a big impact on audio. I have a difficult time finding electronics having much if any improvement.
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Yes I have tried both. I read an Oppo representative's post that they themselves do not really hear any difference between the two and I concur.

Hmmm, that's interesting, as I noticed a major difference, especially in the imaging and depth--not at all subtle like differences between cables.

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I have had my 105 4 months, it will not now play any form of disc. I have the 1204 firmware update that came in a few days ago, i doubt that has anything to do with it.
It appears the disc is not spinning. To top it off i just bought a new 5 ch amp and can't play any concerts! I hope the warranty repair is fast.
this may be related to the Auto Play is disabled on 1204 firmware for all disc types (cd, dvd, bd). You may try to highlight the DISC icon on the HOME menu, then press ENTER button to manually start the playback, or simply go to SETUP menu and set Auto Play Mode to be ON.
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Hmmm, that's interesting, as I noticed a major difference, especially in the imaging and depth--not at all subtle like differences between cables.

With everything else the same you hear a difference between the stereo outs and multi l/r outs?
Have you switched back and forth by switching inputs via remote, or better yet done so blindly having someone else switch back and forth to see if you can identify between the two outputs?
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With everything else the same you hear a difference between the stereo outs and multi l/r outs?
Have you switched back and forth by switching inputs via remote, or better yet done so blindly having someone else switch back and forth to see if you can identify between the two outputs?

Absolutely. No, I just did a manual switch between the two. I would not have needed a blind test!

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The Oppo's stereo outs went into one of the Sony stereo inputs while the 5.1 outs went to the Sony 5.1 analog inputs.

I assume you used the 5.1 inputs with no bass mngt engaged or distance settings in the Sony (if the option is even available) for the stereo comparison and not the stereo input. If you used the stereo inputs on the Sony you were only comparing the dac's in the Sony but with a different method of connection. To hear the Oppo's dac's even for stereo comparisons you must use only the 5.1 analog inputs on the Sony.
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Hello all,
I installed the latest firmware and now I notice on some DVD-a and sacd that the first seconds or two are chopped off. Anyone experiencing this with the update? This is a new issue since the update. Thx Pete
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Ok I will upgrade. Thanks!
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Went and bought a 6' cable, same issue. I can not get my Sony Vaio or my Gateway to get the driver to install. I emailed Oppo and did exactly as they said and still no go. I don't blame them, just driving me crazy at this point.

Well, I'm no computer wiz. I missed one of the steps when installing the driver, works like a champ now. The dac's in this thing are pretty sweet. 105>Marantz AV8801 in pure direct>Mcintosh Mc252>Aerial Acoustics 7t's=hours of 2 channel listening.
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Well, I'm no computer wiz. I missed one of the steps when installing the driver, works like a champ now. The dac's in this thing are pretty sweet. 105>Marantz AV8801 in pure direct>Mcintosh Mc252>Aerial Acoustics 7t's=hours of 2 channel listening.

Good news. I have a very similar source configuration 105 -> AV8801 Pure Direct -> Parasound A51 -> Revel Salons. It sounds fantastic.

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Did anyone have problems with Netflix last night? Every 3 minutes, it would stop playing my show (Breaking Bad) and reload it (very slowly). It was so annoying I gave up and will try again today. I am wired (not WiFi). Thanks.
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Did anyone have problems with Netflix last night? Every 3 minutes, it would stop playing my show (Breaking Bad) and reload it (very slowly). It was so annoying I gave up and will try again today. I am wired (not WiFi). Thanks.

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Absolutely. No, I just did a manual switch between the two. I would not have needed a blind test!

That is very odd since opp o says there should be no difference. If I were you I would hook up both up and remotely switch
Inputs back and forth to confirm any improvement or change in sound.
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I assume you used the 5.1 inputs with no bass mngt engaged or distance settings in the Sony (if the option is even available) for the stereo comparison and not the stereo input. If you used the stereo inputs on the Sony you were only comparing the dac's in the Sony but with a different method of connection. To hear the Oppo's dac's even for stereo comparisons you must use only the 5.1 analog inputs on the Sony.
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I have tried both especially trying to be aware of 're digitization bass/speaker mgmt equipment etc

I plan to do more listening and testing but so far hear no benefit of any of the 3 dacs or connections that I am testing.
I have no brand or money spent bias, what I hear is sole arbiter.
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^ By simply playing your 105's analog outs thru your Sony, you're taking your analog signal thru two preamp stages. It doesn't matter if you're bypassing any audio processing in your Sony. Your 105 signal is still traveling thru your Sony's preamp stage (you can't bypass your Sony's volume control, can you?). Your audio setup won't allow you to hear any differences in fidelity with your 105 compared to your receiver. A good analogy is like looking outside thru 5 panes of glass. If the third pane of glass is dirty, it doesn't matter how clean the 4th and 5th panes are. You're still going to see an unclear view outside. Play your 105 direct to a power amp (only one preamp stage direct to power amp). That's the true test of the 105's sonic fidelity.
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this may be related to the Auto Play is disabled on 1204 firmware for all disc types (cd, dvd, bd). You may try to highlight the DISC icon on the HOME menu, then press ENTER button to manually start the playback, or simply go to SETUP menu and set Auto Play Mode to be ON.

Auto play is on, selecting disc in the home menu does nothing, well, it does try to spin the discs however, i have taken the lid off since and the transport is trying to spin and does so spasmodically, if i give it a flick with my finger it spins up and reads the discs no problem. Faulty transport...it get picked up Monday to go for an interstate warranty repair.
I've had this issue at work on many DVD and CD players but that would be after a couple of years service out on the road, not 4 months of home use.

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^ By simply playing your 105's analog outs thru your Sony, you're taking your analog signal thru two preamp stages. It doesn't matter if you're bypassing any audio processing in your Sony. Your 105 signal is still traveling thru your Sony's preamp stage (you can't bypass your Sony's volume control, can you?). Your audio setup won't allow you to hear any differences in fidelity with your 105 compared to your receiver. A good analogy is like looking outside thru 5 panes of glass. If the third pane of glass is dirty, it doesn't matter how clean the 4th and 5th panes are. You're still going to see an unclear view outside. Play your 105 direct to a power amp (only one preamp stage direct to power amp). That's the true test of the 105's sonic fidelity.

I disagree with that analogy. My guess is that any possible detriment to sound quality caused by, let's say the Sony volume control as you mentioned, if it were discernable would likely be more like a speck of dust on the glass pane. If any of the dacs that I was comparing was somehow converting the signal to analog in a superior manner resulting in a discernable improvement in audio quality, one ought to be able to hear it in a/b tests with all else being equal. Even though I believe the Sony to be transparent I can certainly do some comparison listening with 105 and amps only and will post what I hear.
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I disagree with that analogy. My guess is that any possible detriment to sound quality caused by, let's say the Sony volume control as you mentioned, if it were discernable would likely be more like a speck of dust on the glass pane. If any of the dacs that I was comparing was somehow converting the signal to analog in a superior manner resulting in a discernable improvement in audio quality, one ought to be able to hear it in a/b tests with all else being equal. Even though I believe the Sony to be transparent I can certainly do some comparison listening with 105 and amps only and will post what I hear.

Do you know if the Sony is digitizing the analog input?
It is not always obvious. The Marantz AV8801 cannot digitize the 7.1 analog inputs but can digitize all other analog inputs.
It is not clear if they are A/D converted in Pure Direct mode, but I suspect they are.

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^^^
You should be hearing a difference with the 105's DAC's. I think running it through the Sony is somehow coloring the signal, not passing it straight through.

Only way to tell for sure is get detailed Owner's Manual and a block diagram of the guts of the Sony. Then, you'll be able to see where the analog signal is going.

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You should be hearing a difference with the 105's DAC's. I think running it through the Sony is somehow coloring the signal, not passing it straight through.
I am not so sure about this. There are just too many variables.

The system sounds only as good as it's worst component. It is REALLY easy to make a theoretically important change in one part of your system only to find that limits in other parts of the system make the change inaudible....and you can rarely know without really solid, multi-participant, objective tests. Anything else is just cork-sniffing...nice if it makes you feel good, but otherwise content-free.


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@ Hamlet00
There are VERY FEW avr/preamps on the market that will truly pass analog audio through their hardware without changing it to some degree... even when the OEM claims that it doesn't.
It's quite possible that even in the proper setup/configuration, you may not be able to discern the difference in audio quality that the BDP-105 offers,but that also doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
All of the enthusiasts and professionals who have heard the difference can't all be wrong.
Sometimes it's better to listen to what people have to say when they know the facts from years of experience, rather than to come up with guesses and theories.
There are a lot of very knowledgeable people here willing to help if they can, but you you have to be willing to listen in order to gain anything from it.
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I am not so sure about this. There are just too many variables.

The system sounds only as good as it's worst component. It is REALLY easy to make a theoretically important change in one part of your system only to find that limits in other parts of the system make the change inaudible....and you can rarely know without really solid, multi-participant, objective tests. Anything else is just cork-sniffing...nice if it makes you feel good, but otherwise content-free.


I used to have a Sony ES Preamp and Sony DVD player in my system with an external amp. When I used the 105 analog directly to my amp, it had so much more detail in the sound the speakers were making. It was much better noise to my ears.

I would call MY experience night and day.

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I disagree with that analogy. My guess is that any possible detriment to sound quality caused by, let's say the Sony volume control as you mentioned, if it were discernable would likely be more like a speck of dust on the glass pane. If any of the dacs that I was comparing was somehow converting the signal to analog in a superior manner resulting in a discernable improvement in audio quality, one ought to be able to hear it in a/b tests with all else being equal. Even though I believe the Sony to be transparent I can certainly do some comparison listening with 105 and amps only and will post what I hear.
I think you're way off on that guess. No way is your Sony receiver improving your analog signal coming from the 105. It can only add its own color to the original 105 signal. You haven't been on this forum long enough to follow the thread history which shows most 105 owners who had the ability to do A/B testing of their 105's direct to a power amp as opposed to running their 105's through a pre-pro or receiver did notice a change or different "color" of their final audio sound. I'm not saying one method/setup is better than another....that's for you to decide. Having done A/B testing with my 105 with the above stated audio options, I prefer the sound of my 105 connected direct to a power amp. If you're trying to compare audible differences between two 24 or two 32 bit dacs, those are minuscule compared to the audible differences of your analog circuitry (pream stages, volume controls, eq, etc), speakers, and room correction.
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I think you're way off on that guess. No way is your Sony receiver improving your analog signal coming from the 105. It can only add its own color to the original 105 signal. You haven't been on this forum long enough to follow the thread history which shows most 105 owners who had the ability to do A/B testing of their 105's direct to a power amp as opposed to running their 105's through a pre-pro or receiver did notice a change or different "color" of their final audio sound. I'm not saying one method/setup is better than another....that's for you to decide. Having done A/B testing with my 105 with the above stated audio options, I prefer the sound of my 105 connected direct to a power amp. If you're trying to compare audible differences between 24 or 32 bit dacs, those are minuscule compared to the audible differences of your analog circuitry (pream stages, volume controls, eq, etc), speakers, and room correction.

I have the xlr's connected to my pre pro which is set in pure direct for 2 channel listening. In pure direct, all processing is disabled other than the volume control. In essence, would that be the same as a direct 105 to amp hookup?

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