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The trim settings are inactive for the Dedicated Analog Stereo Outputs. 

But, trim is adjustable using the analog outputs according to p.67 in the analog section:" if your receiver does not have such
functions (many receivers do not support channel trim for their multi-channel analog inputs), you may
adjust channel trim through the player"

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But, trim is adjustable using the analog outputs according to p.67 in the analog section:" if your receiver does not have such

functions (many receivers do not support channel trim for their multi-channel analog inputs), you may

adjust channel trim through the player"
The trim settings are for the 7.1 multichannel analog outputs, not the dedicated stereo outputs.
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^^ Oneartist, there's no need to be concerned with a limited 105 volume range if you're going to get that Conrad Johnson tube amp and use the 105 as a preamp direct to your power stage. I set my max volume on my 105 to 40 when I use the player as a preamp to my Levinson amp. 40 levels of granularity is fine for me. How loud do you want to play your music? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the reason you want more granularity/range? Playing at the input sensitivity of your power amp will be plenty loud!! To use the 105 direct to a power amp, and be able to utilize the full granularity/range of the 105's volume control, you would need a power amp that has an input sensitivity (or the ability to adjust its input gain) for 2 volts on its rca inputs or 4 volts on its xlr inputs. Or you can buy a passive line-level attenuator, and place that between your 105 and power amp. But I think all of this is unnecessary. You'll be fine with a 60% reduced range of volume granularity.
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On the top of the remote is an Input button. By pressing it, a Menu of Input Options pops up. Select the Input you're hooked up to.

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Many thanks, Mongo!

No problem. Enjoy!

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^^ Oneartist, there's no need to be concerned with a limited 105 volume range if you're going to get that Conrad Johnson tube amp and use the 105 as a preamp direct to your power stage. 

If it were just the MV45 tube amp that would be fine for the front R&L speakers, but the center speaker is powered by a bridged NAD 2200 amp and the side speakers are powered by a Parasound amp plus the powered subwoofer. Maybe the line atenuator will help balance everything?

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I'm learning from Dan. I looked up the input sensitivity on all three amps. The tube MV45 is .8V, the NAD 2200 is .775V and the Parasound 750 is .7V. It appears the input sensitivity is just about equal. Thanks for the education.

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If it were just the MV45 tube amp that would be fine for the front R&L speakers, but the center speaker is powered by a bridged NAD 2200 amp and the side speakers are powered by a Parasound amp plus the powered subwoofer. Maybe the line atenuator will help balance everything?
Oh my!! I didn't realize you have a multi-channel configuration with multiple amps. You may not be able to accomplish everything you want with that kind of configuration utilizing the 105 direct to power amps without a pre-pro in the middle. You can certainly try though. If you're just playing 2-ch audio, there should be no problem, right? You won't need the other speakers/amps on, and your front L/R are full-range, correct? Or do you want your powered sub on in that config too? When you play multi-channel audio, then you can set the 105's speaker configuration to 5.1 downmix, and you'll then be able to adjust trim settings for your other speakers. Then if you set the "Stereo Signal" setting in the 105 to "Front L/R", your Front L/R muli-ch outputs on your 105 will be directed out its dedicated stereo outs. So you will have some adjustability of gain/output when you're in the multi-channel config/downmix mode on the 105.

I just saw your above post.....that's pretty positive....all your amp's input sensitivities are nearly identical.
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Just my two cents for a way to use the Oppo's 105D USB DAC for DSD playback (sorry when it was already mentioned in the thread). People who have a Squeezebox Touch can connect it to the Oppo's USB DAC (the EDO app must be installed on the SBT) by USB cable. The SBT (as every 176.4kHz capable streamer) can pass on the DoP files to the USB DAC.

Yet another way is Daphile. It is a kind of LMS OS based on Gentoo Linux. I have installed it on a small fanless WOL-ready nettop. Now it's hidden in the hifi-rack. I use it with an extern DoP-ready USB-DAC. With iPeng or each other Squeezebox app you can control the music playback. The installation and setup is very easy. No need to have skills in Linux.
Advantages opposite to the SBT are USB-hotplugging, DSD128 playback and DSD to DoP converting on-the-fly.
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set the 105's speaker configuration to 5.1 downmix
 

This is exactly what I have. I'm patiently waiting until Saturday when I pickup the MV45. The local guy I'm buying it from has it in the shop to have a final BIAS adjustment. This thing was completely restored two years ago and I'm glad I jumped on it. I'll connect the MV45 to the stereo outs and adjust the other amps using the analog trim settings. I'll have to play with the powered sub. Thanks for all your help.

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Just my two cents for a way to use the Oppo's 105D USB DAC for DSD playback (sorry when it was already mentioned in the thread). People who have a Squeezebox Touch can connect it to the Oppo's USB DAC (the EDO app must be installed on the SBT) by USB cable. The SBT (as every 176.4kHz capable streamer) can pass on the DoP files to the USB DAC.

Yet another way is Daphile. It is a kind of LMS OS based on Gentoo Linux. I have installed it on a small fanless WOL-ready nettop. Now it's hidden in the hifi-rack. I use it with an extern DoP-ready USB-DAC. With iPeng or each other Squeezebox app you can control the music playback. The installation and setup is very easy. No need to have skills in Linux.
Advantages opposite to the SBT are USB-hotplugging, DSD128 playback and DSD to DoP converting on-the-fly.
So, what external clock is being used when you have the SBT connected to the usb dac input? I was told that the 105D's usb dac input is reliant on an external clock (a pc/laptop) for DSD DoP playback functionality.
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^ Is the USB DAC from the Oppo 105D not DoP-ready?? Usually, the USB DAC is the "external clock". From my own experience the SBT (with the EDO app) works well with the Oppo 105 USB DAC "out-of-the-box", so it should be the same with the Oppo 105D USB DAC and its updated XMOS chip. My USB DAC (Matrix X-Sabre) is using a XMOS chip, too. The Daphile system recognizes it as "Squeezebox", as an extern player.
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^ I received a couple of replies from Neuromancer a couple days ago regarding this:
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The clock in the OPPO can't do DSD128. The Asynchronous USB in the BDP-105D can do DSD64 and DSD128 as the computer, not the player, is doing the clocking. Bandwidth limitations keep it from doing DSD256, however.
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When using DSD over USB, SMB or physical disc the clocking is done in the MediaTek decoder. The decoder was built around the SACD DSD specifications, which is DSD64, so there was no anticipation for needing to support DSD128 or DSD256.
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^ Oh, that sounds quite complicated to me eek.gif I thought that the Oppo 105D's USB DAC is working like any other (standalone) DSD/DoP-ready USB DAC.
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^ Man does anybody besides me think that 3/4 of all the owners of these oppos are all IT specialists? This is soooo confusing reading all these posts about dop, dope smb, nas. What plays. What wont play. My head is spinning. I guess I will need about 10 years of education to catch up on all this.
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^ Man does anybody besides me think that 3/4 of all the owners of these oppos are all IT specialists? This is soooo confusing reading all these posts about dop, dope smb, nas. What plays. What wont play. My head is spinning. I guess I will need about 10 years of education to catch up on all this.

I am pretty much optical disc-oriented myself, which is a relatively simple environment. Which the studios still try to dick up.

But the world wants to go disc-less. This frontier is not quite settled yet and the content owners want you there only on their terms, and this results in much technical messing about.

People also seem to think our internet infrastructure works as well as it does on TV and in the movies. Those are fiction, but we have to deal with reality.

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I am pretty much optical disc-oriented myself, which is a relatively simple environment. Which the studios still try to dick up.

But the world wants to go disc-less. This frontier is not quite settled yet and the content owners want you there only on their terms, and this results in much technical messing about.

People also seem to think our internet infrastructure works as well as it does on TV and in the movies. Those are fiction, but we have to deal with reality.

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It would be so nice if somebody that I knew could come to my house and help me out with all this. I know of only one person in my area. And unfortunately he is my ex wifes new husband. That would just be to weird. Lol
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Ok there is all this talk about if you have good dacs or as in my case the Krell Foundation, which has the same dacs. It would be of no benefit to have the 105 over the 103 when passing pure digital signals. I however couldn't part with the 105. I am old school snd kept wondering if the better tranformer in the 105 wouldn't somehow play a slight part in it sounding better than the 103 even when passing thpse digital signals.

My question is this has it been proven that there is definitely no, none, natta difference? Or is this just what everyone has always excepted as fact?
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^ Man does anybody besides me think that 3/4 of all the owners of these oppos are all IT specialists? This is soooo confusing reading all these posts about dop, dope smb, nas. What plays. What wont play. My head is spinning. I guess I will need about 10 years of education to catch up on all this.

Have no fear as I'm in the same "boat" as you. The only acronym I understand is "dope" which would be me as far as all this stuff is concerned biggrin.gif.

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Have no fear as I'm in the same "boat" as you. The only acronym I understand is "dope" which would be me as far as all this stuff is concerned biggrin.gif.

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You got that right. I am laughing so hard right now. Or I may have smoked way to much of that stuff when I was a kid. Thats why I don't understand this stuff.
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You got that right. I am laughing so hard right now. Or I may have smoked way to much of that stuff when I was a kid. Thats why I don't understand this stuff.

I think you are on to something here. I was also known to par take in that controlled substance when I was younger eek.gif. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to derail a great thread with war stories wink.gif.

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I am pretty much optical disc-oriented myself, which is a relatively simple environment. Which the studios still try to dick up.

But the world wants to go disc-less. This frontier is not quite settled yet and the content owners want you there only on their terms, and this results in much technical messing about.

People also seem to think our internet infrastructure works as well as it does on TV and in the movies. Those are fiction, but we have to deal with reality.

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@Dan & Neuromancer, do you know any other source where I can read more about the specs of the new USB DAC? I still couldn' t find anything about if it is DoP-ready. All I read it accepts DSD64 and DSD128. Does it mean native DSD? This external clock thingy still sounds strange to me. Maybe it is not about clock but about lock? smile.gif The stream must be bit perfect. If not, the DAC can not lock and can not recognize the DSD format within the PCM container.
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Please help me understand but I thought DoP was basically DSD converted to PCM, do I understand this correct?

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^ Nope. DoP means DSD over PCM. You put the DSD file (.dff or .dsf) into a PCM container. Usually FLAC. The DoP-ready DAC can "unpack" the DSD file then.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119364.0
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For DSD128 you must change the PCM sample rate to 352.8kHz
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Please help me understand but I thought DoP was basically DSD converted to PCM, do I understand this correct?

DSD over PCM is a way of transmitting the DSD unchanged within PCM frames. It is still DSD.

There is a history as to why this was chosen, but it basically, it was easier to encode the DSD in PCM than to try to invent a new streaming format.
Here is an article that explains it pretty well (IMO):

http://dsd-guide.com/dop-open-standard

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^ Man does anybody besides me think that 3/4 of all the owners of these oppos are all IT specialists? This is soooo confusing reading all these posts about dop, dope smb, nas. What plays. What wont play. My head is spinning. I guess I will need about 10 years of education to catch up on all this.

Have no fear as I'm in the same "boat" as you. The only acronym I understand is "dope" which would be me as far as all this stuff is concerned biggrin.gif.

Bill

Friends - you are definitely not alone here. For video I am quite content to stick with the shiny disks as I only have the 1 big TV in the house where I really want to watch high quality video. For me, it would be nice to be able to easily and robustly back-up the video shiny disks on my computer/home network though (and if I could ultimately "stream" this content hassle-free at high quality, well, that would be a nice bonus).

For audio, I'm much more interested in having a single, high quality digital copy on the network to "stream", but I'd want it in a format that could be easily utilized on legacy devices like portable players or car stereos. I've been trying just to do the very basics with WAVs ripped from my CDs, but I've been having issues. I'm reluctant to go through the hassle of ripping all my shiny disks until I know I have something in place that's bulletproof. I can't even imagine getting into the real nitty-gritty of alternative hi-rez formats, etc., being discussed here.

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@Dan & Neuromancer, do you know any other source where I can read more about the specs of the new USB DAC? I still couldn' t find anything about if it is DoP-ready. All I read it accepts DSD64 and DSD128. Does it mean native DSD? This external clock thingy still sounds strange to me. Maybe it is not about clock but about lock? smile.gif The stream must be bit perfect. If not, the DAC can not lock and can not recognize the DSD format within the PCM container.
I have no detailed info on the new specs/programming with regards to this.....I only know what Neuro told me....I did see on the JRiver wiki site about Oppo providing dsd over usb on their next player, and they mention DoP. Scroll down to the manufacturer list.

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DSD_Format
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Ok there is all this talk about if you have good dacs or as in my case the Krell Foundation, which has the same dacs. It would be of no benefit to have the 105 over the 103 when passing pure digital signals. I however couldn't part with the 105. I am old school snd kept wondering if the better tranformer in the 105 wouldn't somehow play a slight part in it sounding better than the 103 even when passing thpse digital signals.

My question is this has it been proven that there is definitely no, none, natta difference? Or is this just what everyone has always excepted as fact?
Opinion, not fact (I haven't done a head-to-head comparison): you will be very hard pressed to hear any difference between the 103 and 105 if you output audio digitally. It's all 0's and 1's. Analog audio, of course, is a different story. I went with the 105 over the 103 for analog audio.
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http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DSD_Format
Thank you! I guess we will have to wait till Oppo gives out more informations or till a "DSD-aholic" was playing with the USB DAC of the 105D.
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