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Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread

Official BDP-105 Website
OPPO BDP-103 & BDP-105 Blu-ray Q&A Interview
Asynchronous USB Drivers (Windows XP/Vista/7/8)
OPPO Wiki FAQ
Unofficial BDP-103 FAQ

UPDATED 07/18/2016 - Beta 83-0715B Firmware Released
UPDATED 11/06/2015 - Official 80-1031 Firmware Released
UPDATED 10/24/2014 - Official 77-0827 Firmware Released
UPDATED 09/12/2014 - Beta 77-0827B Firmware Released
UPDATED 05/19/2014 - Official 75-0515 Firmware Released
UPDATED 04/30/2014 - Beta 75-0430B Firmware Released
UPDATED 02/20/2014 - Official 70-0218 Firmware Released
UPDATED 02/12/2014 - Beta 69-0124B Firmware Released
UPDATED 01/13/2014 - BDP-105D (Darbee) Released
UPDATED 04/05/2013 - The Absolute Sound (Chris Martins) Review Posted
UPDATED 03/25/2013 - Sound+Vision (Al Griffin) Review Posted
UPDATED 02/19/2013 - Audiophile Audion (Brian Bloom) Review Posted
UPDATED 02/18/2013 - Jim Prillaman Review Posted
UPDATED 02/04/2013 - Audioholics (Gene DellaSala) Review Posted
UPDATED 01/28/2013 - From Script to DVD (William Kallay) Review Posted
UPDATED 01/25/2013 - Everything Audio Network (John Gatski) Review Posted
UPDATED 01/24/2013 - Home Theater (Kris Deering) Review Posted
UPDATED 01/10/2013 - DEG Emiel N. Petrone Innovation Best Physical Media Product awarded to BDP-105
UPDATED 12/20/2012 - LAAudiofile (Kevin Nakano) Review Posted
UPDATED 12/19/2012 - BDP-105 receives Product of the Year from Secrets of Home Theater and HiFi
UPDATED 12/05/2012 - Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity (John E. Johnson) Writeup
UPDATED 11/20/2012 - Buy Now: Ships November 26th
UPDATED 11/13/2012 - Special Order Invitations sent

Uniquely Better:

  • 4K Up-scaling - Enhance the home theater experience with four times the resolution of Full HD 1080p by up-scaling all video sources to 4K (3840 x 2160) output resolution.
  • 2D to 3D Conversion – Take your standard DVD, Blu-ray, and other video content to the next dimension by converting them into 3D with the simple press of a button. The BDP-105 can also adjust the depth and eye convergence levels to suit your personal preference.
  • Dual HDMI Inputs – Connect external devices such as set-top boxes and network streaming devices to take further advantage of the excellent audio and video processing functions by the BDP-105. The BDP-105 offers two HDMI inputs, one on the front and one on the back, and the front HDMI input doubles as an MHL input.
  • USB Asynchronous DAC – By bypassing the low fidelity, poor quality DAC of traditional computer soundcards, the BDP-105 turn any computer into a high performing multi-media source by converting digital audio to analog through the ESS Sabre32 Reference DAC. If your computer can play it, the BDP-105 can convert it to analog.
  • Coaxial/Optic Inputs – For additional convenience and flexibility, the BDP-105 can convert digital signals from cable and satellite boxes, televisions, video-game consoles and other digital transports with coaxial and optical digital outputs to analog.
  • DMP & DMR - Digital Media Player (DMP) and Digital Media Renderer (DMR) features enable wired or wireless access of audio, picture, and video files stored on DLNA-compatible digital media servers such as a computer or network storage device (NAS).
  • SMB/CIFS Access - The BDP-105 comes with an experimental feature that can access video, audio and picture files shared by computers on the local network via the Server Message Block (SMB) or Common Internet File System (CIFS) protocol.
  • Headphone Amplifier – For a more intimate listening experience, a pair of headphones can be connected directly to the BDP-105’s built-in headphone amplifiers. The headphone amplifier is connected directly to the ESS Sabre32 Reference DAC and offers a unique performance advantage over standalone headphone amplifiers.
  • Rigid Chassis Construction - Built around a steel chassis, aluminum faceplate, and center-mounted disc loader, the BDP-105 is designed to impress as well as to provide a stable base for the highest quality reproduction of your favorite media.
  • Fanless Architecture – The BDP-105 is passively cooled, allowing it to run both cool and quiet without the need for internal or external fans.

High Fidelity Audio Performance:
  • SABRE32 Reference Audio DAC - The DAC is one of the most important components for digital audio playback. The SABRE32 Reference ES9018 from ESS Technology is the world’s best performing 32-bit audio DAC solution targeted for high-end consumer applications and professional studio equipment. With the ESS patented 32-bit Hyperstream™ DAC architecture and Time Domain Jitter Eliminator, the SABRE32 Reference DAC delivers an unprecedented DNR (Dynamic Range) of up to 135dB and THD+N (Total Harmonic Distortion plus Noise) of -120dB, the industry’s highest performance level that will satisfy even the most demanding audio enthusiast. The BDP-105 uses two ES9018 DAC chips - one for the 7.1-channel output, and another for the dedicated stereo output. To learn more about the technologies behind the exceptional performance of the SABRE DAC, please read the SABRE Technical White Paper.
  • Toroidal Power Supply - A toroidal power transformer offers superior power efficiency and much lower exterior magnetic fields over traditional laminated steel core transformers. The BDP-105's toroidal linear power supply provides a very clean and robust power source to the critical audio components.
  • Dedicated Stereo Output with XLR Balanced Connectors - The BDP-105 features a dedicated 2-channel analog output with specially optimized ES9018 DAC and output driving stages. The stereo output offers both XLR balanced and RCA single-ended connectors. The balanced output features a true differential signal path all the way from the DAC to the 3-pin XLR connector. By transmitting a pair of differential signals, the balanced output provides better common-mode noise rejection and improves signal quality.
  • 7.1-Channel Analog Output - Individual analog 7.1-channel surround outputs are ideal for connecting to a 7.1-channel or 5.1-channel surround sound system. The BDP-105 delivers an incredible sound stage and an immersive surround experience. The 7.1-channel analog output can also be configured to a stereo down-mix mode as a Zone 2 audio source.
  • Dolby® TrueHD - Dolby TrueHD delivers lossless studio master quality audio designed specifically for high definition entertainment. The BDP-105 supports bit-stream output of Dolby TrueHD via its HDMI 1.4a output. It can also internally decode Dolby TrueHD into LPCM and output via HDMI or the 7.1ch analog audio output terminals. Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus audio formats are also supported.
  • DTS-HD Master Audio™ - DTS-HD Master Audio delivers an auditory experience that matches the lifelike images of high-definition video with up to 7.1 channels that are bit-for-bit identical to the studio master. The BDP-105 supports bit-stream output of DTS-HD Master Audio. It can also internally decode DTS-HD Master Audio and output via HDMI or the 7.1ch analog audio output terminals. (DTS-HD High Resolution Audio and DTS Digital Surround are also supported.)

Diversified Media Support:
  • Blu-ray Disc - The high definition Blu-ray Disc™ format provides pristine video and audio quality for your home entertainment.
  • Blu-ray 3D – Experience high definition in all new dimensions. The BDP-105 supports the Blu-ray 3D specifications and is fully compatible with Blu-ray 3D discs1.
  • SACD - The BDP-105 plays Super Audio CD (SACD) and supports both stereo and multi-channel high resolution audio programs. Users can select whether to output the DSD (Direct Stream Digital) signal in its native format or convert it to PCM.
  • DVD-Audio - The BDP-105 plays DVD-Audio and supports both stereo and multi-channel high resolution audio programs. Users can select whether to play the DVD-Audio or the DVD-Video portion of the disc.
  • VUDU HD Movie Streaming - Stream thousands of movies instantly the day-and-date they are released on DVD/Blu-ray in stunning 1080p video, rich 7.1 surround audio and even in 3D2.
  • Netflix Instant Streaming - Instantly watch TV shows & movies streaming from Netflix3. Netflix "Just For Kids" is a special selection of kid-friendly TV episodes & movies for younger viewers. It is included with your Netflix unlimited streaming membership. Selected titles support features including 1080p video, 5.1ch audio, subtitles and alternative audio languages.
  • Pandora Internet Radio - Personalized music streaming using the Music Genome Project, staying true to their mission: "Playing only the music you'll love".4
  • Comprehensive Internet Streaming - In addition to VUDU, Netflix and Pandora, the BDP-105 provides access to popular entertainment network services from Film Fresh, YouTube Leanback and Picasa, with more to come.
  • BD-Live & BonusVIEW - The BDP-105 supports BD-Live™ (Profile 2.0) and contains all necessary hardware - audio/video decoder, Ethernet and wireless networking, and 1GB of internal storage - for BD-Live. It also supports BonusVIEW (Profile 1.1) enabling "picture-in-picture" and audio features for viewing director or actor commentary while the main movie is playing.
  • Additional Disc & Media Formats - Additional disc and file formats, such as DVD, audio CD, HDCD, Kodak Picture CD, AVCHD, MP4, AVI, MKV and other audio/video/picture files on recorded discs or USB drives can be played back on the BDP-105. The BDP-105 fully supports high-resolution lossless WAV and FLAC music formats.5

Unparalleled Video Quality:
  • Qdeo by Marvell - The BDP-105 incorporates Marvell's Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest generation Qdeo™ technology. Qdeo video processing delivers a truly immersive viewing experience by rendering quiet natural video free of noise and artifacts for all types of content. For high-quality Blu-ray content, the BDP-105 faithfully reproduces the program just as the director intended; for DVD, the up-converted picture quality bridges the visual gap from your current DVD library to Blu-ray discs; for network streaming and user-encoded content at a variety of formats and quality, the BDP-105 offers enhancement options including video noise reduction, compression artifact reduction, intelligent color, contrast, detail and edge enhancements. To learn more about the Qdeo video processing technology, please read the Qdeo Extended Technology Brief.
  • DVD Up-Conversion - Per-pixel motion-adaptive de-interlacing and advanced scaling transform the standard definition image on DVDs to high definition output on your TV. Additional Qdeo video processing options help to deliver a clearer, smoother, and more true-to-life picture free of noise and artifacts.
  • Full HD 1080p Output - The BDP-105 features user selectable video output resolutions, including 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and 4K.
  • True 24p™ Video - Many Blu-ray Discs are recorded at 24 frames per second, the same frame rate as the original movie's theatrical release. The BDP-105 can faithfully redeliver the original frames using 1080p 24Hz output (compatible display required) for smoother motion and a flicker-free, film-like home theater experience. It can also restore the original 24 frames per second progressive-scan video from well-authored DVDs and output 1080p 24Hz.
  • Source Direct Mode - For users who wish to use an external video processor, the BDP-105 offers a "Source Direct" mode. The original audio/video content on the discs is sent out with no additional processing or alteration.
  • Multiple Zoom Modes - The BDP-105 supports multiple levels of aspect ratio control and image zooming. Users can watch a movie in its original aspect ratio, fit to the full screen, or zoom in to remove the black bars on some titles.
  • Vertical Stretch Mode - For customers with a 2.35:1 CIH (Constant Image Height) display system, the player's zoom options include a vertical stretch mode to work nicely with an anamorphic lens. A unique subtitle shift feature allows the user to move the subtitle up and down, making it possible to see all subtitle text when using a 2.35:1 CIH display.
  • Advanced Picture Control - Users can have fine control of brightness, contrast, saturation, hue, sharpness, noise reduction, color and contrast enhancements. The player can remember and apply three custom picture control modes to suit a variety of viewing conditions and content types.

Ultimate Convenience:
  • Dual HDMI Outputs – Two HDMI v1.4a output ports are provided to offer the most versatile installation options to both older and newer HDMI equipment. You do not have to upgrade your A/V receiver to a 3D model in order to enjoy 3D. One HDMI output of the BDP-105 can be connected to a 3D TV and the other can be connected to a pre-3D HDMI v1.1-v1.3 A/V receiver. For projector users, you can connect one output to a projector for home theater use and the other to a TV for casual viewing. For a multi-room installation the BDP-105 can output audio and video to two 3D or 2D TVs simultaneously.
  • MHL Input – Simplify connecting smartphones, tablets and other mobile devices to the home theater by using the MHL (Mobile High-Definition Link) input port of the BDP-105. Display high resolution pictures, 1080p video and listen to pure digital music all while simultaneously charging the connected mobile device. The front HDMI input port of the BDP-105 doubles as an MHL input.
  • Wireless & Ethernet – Using the included wireless-N adapter or the built-in RJ45 Ethernet port, users will be able to interact with BD-Live content, watch instant streaming programs from providers such as Netflix or VUDU, playback contents stored on their home network, and keep the BDP-105 up-to-date with firmware releases to ensure maximum Blu-ray compatibility.
  • Triple USB Ports - Three USB 2.0 high speed ports are provided, one on the front panel and two on the back. Users can enjoy high definition video, high resolution photos and music directly from their USB drives.
  • PAL/NTSC Conversion - The BDP-105 supports NTSC and PAL systems for both disc playback and video output. It can also convert content of one system for output in another. (Subject to DVD and BD region restrictions.)
  • Back-lit Remote Control - The BDP-105 comes with a fully back-lit remote control for ease of use in dark home theaters. With its ergonomic button layout and clear labeling, operating the Blu-ray Disc player is easier than ever.
  • World Power Supply - The BDP-105 features a world power supply that is compatible with AC power from all regions. Voltage range from 100V-120V and 200V-240V can be selected by flipping a switch on the back panel.
  • External IR - For integration into home theater control systems, the BDP-105 provides an external IR IN port to use with an IR distribution system.
  • RS232 Control - For custom installation, the BDP-105 offers an RS232 control port with a rich control and communication protocol. Installers can easily program their favorite control systems to operate the BDP-105.
  • Remote Control Apps – For additional user convenience, the BDP-105 can be operated using remote control apps running on compatible smartphone and tablet devices. The remote control app for Android is already available. An app for Apple iOS devices is coming soon.
  • HDMI CEC - HDMI Consumer Electronics Control simplifies the home theater by allowing a single remote control to operate multiple devices.
  • Gracenote MusicID® and VideoID™ - By connecting to Gracenote's global media database over the Internet, the BDP-105 can offer an enriched playback experience by displaying Cover Art, Title, Artist, Genre and other media information for CD, DVD, Blu-ray and a wide range of digital media files.

OPPO BDP-105 User's Manual
Unofficial BDP-103 FAQ (Applicable to the BDP-105)
OPPO Wiki FAQ

REVIEWS
The Absolute Sound (Chris Martins)
Sound+Vision (Al Griffin)
Audiophile Audion (Brian Bloom)
Jim Prillaman
Audioholics (Gene DellaSala)
From Script to DVD (William Kallay)
Everything Audio Network (John Gatski)
Home Theater (Kris Deering)
DEG Emiel N. Petrone Innovation 2012 Best Physical Media Product Award
LAAudiofile (Kevin Nakano)
Product of the Year from Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity
Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity (John E. Johnson) Writeup

FIRMWARE RELEASES
Check the Official BDP-103 Owner's Thread. I want to keep this thread more about the quality of the player, and less about software/firmware issues.
 
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#8,702 ·
Anyone seen or heard any more about if or when we will be able to push DSD music using JRiver to the 105 rather than having to put DSD music via thumb drive to USB..
 
#8,703 ·

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Originally Posted by wadeh911  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24217902


Anyone seen or heard any more about if or when we will be able to push DSD music using JRiver to the 105 rather than having to put DSD music via thumb drive to USB..
I was told months ago that Oppo has no intention on implementing DSD over DLNA (called DoPE(DSD over PCM Ethernet)). It is what it is...
 
#8,704 ·

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Originally Posted by DanF8500  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24217930


I was told months ago that Oppo has no intention on implementing DSD over DLNA (utilizing DoP). It is what it is...

Thanks. Do you think that is driven by limitation of DLNA or by insufficient customer demand?
 
#8,705 ·

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Originally Posted by wadeh911  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24217948


Thanks. Do you think that is driven by limitation of DLNA or by insufficient customer demand?
Insufficient customer demand. JRiver and MinimServer have already implemented DoPE (DSD over PCM Ethernet) in their software. What's laughable is that Oppo just implemented DoP processing with their usb dac interface on their new 105D player. The addition of a new/updated xmos chip made this possible. The parsing algorithm of the DSD stream embedded in a PCM container would be similar via usb or ethernet. I'm sure Oppo can implement DoPE if they wanted to...there's just little demand for it, unfortunately.
 
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#8,707 ·

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Originally Posted by wmcclain  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24218064


Apparently the player will accept it if the server will send it. See: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1215071/oppo-bdp-83-93-95-103-105-dlna-upnp-thread/2370#post_23914833


-Bill
Wow! That's news to me! I still don't know how it's possible though. Oppo has no way to see dsd files over dlna, but it looks like the OP was able to configure Twonky server to get a 105 to play dsf/dff file formats. Thanks for that link, Bill. I will be reading the discussions on that thread.


After further investigation:

Here's another link with further discussion of this with regards to functionality with JRiver media software:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=86430.0


Okay, In the above link, someone was stating the following capabilities of the 103/105 with regards to dsf/dff digital formats...."DSD (DFF and DSF files) is supported only from local USB/HDD storage, CIFS/SMB shares, and DLNA (as DMP). DSD is not supported as DoPE (DLNA) or as DoP (USB ASYNC DAC - BDP-105 model)." So, it seems possible that the 103/105 can "pull" dsf/dff files off of a dlna server when it becomes a DMP(Digital Media Player)......but isn't that essentially the same thing as being able to read from a cifs/smb network?


So, my final thoughts are, how is the 105 acting any different when it is a Digital media player, pulling digital files from a dlna server as opposed to the 105 playing digital files via a cifs/smb network?
 
#8,708 ·

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Originally Posted by DanF8500  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8670#post_24212815

 If you're connecting your 105 direct to the amp, the 105 will output .8 volts with a volume setting of 40 (rca outs). Good luck!! Tell us how it performs/sounds!
Do the trim settings in speaker configuration change the output voltage significantly? If I trim the Front L&R direct out stereo through the CJ MV45, will that allow me to use a higher volume setting, say a 70 and not over drive the MV45?
 
#8,709 ·

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Originally Posted by oneartist  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24218292


Do the trim settings in speaker configuration change the output voltage significantly? If I trim the Front L&R direct out stereo through the CJ MV45, will that allow me to use a higher volume setting, say a 70 and not over drive the MV45?
The trim settings are inactive for the Dedicated Analog Stereo Outputs. The Distance setting, however, does affect the dedicated stereo outputs, and I was told that is a bug in the 105 that needs resolution, because in down-mix stereo mode, the speaker configuration settings are not supposed to have any affect on the dedicated stereo outs...
 
#8,710 ·

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Originally Posted by DanF8500  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24218341



The trim settings are inactive for the Dedicated Analog Stereo Outputs. 
Thanks for the information. Is there any way to adjust the volume to each amplifier and still maintain the 105 sound quality? Going throug the Denon 3805 put a serious mask on the sound. I'm sure a $3000 preamp would do it, but is there another solution?
 
#8,711 ·

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Originally Posted by DanF8500  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24218088


...


So, my final thoughts are, how is the 105 acting any different when it is a Digital media player, pulling digital files from a dlna server as opposed to the 105 playing digital files via a cifs/smb network?

It is subtle - and sometimes it is important and sometimes it is not important.


Finding Content:

When the Oppo uses cifs/smb, it uses the file system to find files. The Oppo has to open the files and read the metadata, etc. If the Oppo wants to present things in a manner that is not identical to the underlying file system representation, (say, by Genre, or track number ;-) ) It has to open all the files, get the metadata for each, and then build its own virtual picture based on whatever the sort/organization criteria happen to be. This can take a blinkin' long time if you have a lot of files.


When the Oppo (or a Controller, for that matter) uses DLNA, it uses the DLNA server to find files. The DLNA server presents files in a manner independent of the underlying filesystem/directory organization. (although one of its virtual organizations can include a mirror of the underlying file structure as an option for browsing). The DLNA server also provides the metadata without the need to open the files themselves. Basically, the metadata is part of the directory instead of being part of the file, so when you fetch a content directory you get the metadata as part of the response. No need to open the files and look for the metadata.


Playing Content:

When the Oppo uses cifs/smb, once a file is selected to be played, the file is retrieved by the Oppo as a unit and played. It is not "streamed".


When the Oppo uses DLNA, it requests a stream, not a file. It gets the media in real-time from the network and, delta some internal buffering, plays it back as it arrives from the network.


This, by the way, is why you can stream things that are not files in DLNA.
 
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I just saw the 105D on Oppo' s site. I have 2 simple questions on the 105 not related to the Darbee -


can you have audio from both the headphone output and HDMI at the same time?

if yes, will the player downmix everything to stereo, including HDMI, if headphones are used or is the headphone output automatically downmixed and HDMI left intact as multichannel?


I'm trying to see if one person can have surround over speakers while another is listening thru 'cans.


Thanks!


I have a 93 and have been thinking of getting a 105 this yr. the addition of Darbee will probably clinch the sale
 
#8,713 ·

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Originally Posted by ss9001  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24219336


I just saw the 105D on Oppo' s site. I have 2 simple questions on the 105 not related to the Darbee -


can you have audio from both the headphone output and HDMI at the same time?

No.


-Bill
 
#8,714 ·

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Originally Posted by ss9001  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24219336


I just saw the 105D on Oppo' s site. I have 2 simple questions on the 105 not related to the Darbee -


can you have audio from both the headphone output and HDMI at the same time?

if yes, will the player downmix everything to stereo, including HDMI, if headphones are used or is the headphone output automatically downmixed and HDMI left intact as multichannel?


I'm trying to see if one person can have surround over speakers while another is listening thru 'cans.


Thanks!


I have a 93 and have been thinking of getting a 105 this yr. the addition of Darbee will probably clinch the sale
Bill is right. As soon as you connect a headphone cable to the 105's headphone jack, hdmi audio is turned off.


All digital (bitstream and LPCM) outputs are unaffected by the 105's downmix settings. All outputs of the 105 are active, but you have the ability to turn off hdmi audio, if you want. And the 105's volume control does not affect the 105's hdmi (or coax or optical) output volume; only the headphone output and analog out volume.
 
#8,715 ·

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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24219263


It is subtle - and sometimes it is important and sometimes it is not important.


...


This, by the way, is why you can stream things that are not files in DLNA.
Laird, thanks for your response. I have a followup question. So, if the 105 is functioning as a DMP(Digital Media Player) and playing streams from a dlna server, can the playing of these streams only be initiated from the 105's onscreen browser, or can this be done from JRMC and/or JRemote also (I know you can push files from JRMC and JRemote to the 105 when the 105 is acting as a renderer)? Because it seems like the only way to have the 105 execute a read from a cifs/smb network is from either its onscreen browser or from the MediaControlHD ios app.
 
#8,716 ·

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Originally Posted by DanF8500  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24219513


Laird, thanks for your response. I have a followup question. So, if the 105 is functioning as a DMP(Digital Media Player) and playing streams from a dlna server, can this only be initiated from the 105's onscreen browser, or can this be done from JRMC and/or JRemote also? Because it seems like the only way to have the 105 execute a read from a cifs/smb network is from either its onscreen browser or from the MediaControlHD ios app.
For DLNA, when you uses the Oppo's user interface or Oppo's MediaControl HD iOS app, the Oppo is pulling content from the DLNA server and acting as a DMP (digital media player). When using other methods to push content to the Oppo, such as JRemote, the Oppo is acting as a DMR (digital media renderer). IIRC, there's no difference between using it as a DMP or DMR when it comes to actually streaming the content.


For SMB/NFS, you can only use the Oppo's built-in user interface or Oppo's MediaControl HD iOS app to select what to play.
 
#8,717 ·

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Originally Posted by DanF8500  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700_100#post_24219371


Bill is right. As soon as you connect a headphone cable to the 105's headphone jack, hdmi audio is turned off.

not what I was hoping for but what I expected. not really different than AVR's: plug in headphones & the speaker amps are disconnected.


thanks, Bill and you for confirming. my wife is hearing impaired but is demo-ing a wifi gadget that plugs into headphone output and sends signal directly to hearing aids. she was hoping she could listen with it and speakers still be on for me. but I told her last night that wouldn't work with conventional HDMI players & receivers. but worth asking
 
#8,718 ·

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Originally Posted by ss9001  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24219634


not what I was hoping for but what I expected. not really different than AVR's: plug in headphones & the speaker amps are disconnected.


thanks, Bill and you for confirming. my wife is hearing impaired but is demo-ing a wifi gadget that plugs into headphone output and sends signal directly to hearing aids. she was hoping she could listen with it and speakers still be on for me. but I told her last night that wouldn't work with conventional HDMI players & receivers. but worth asking
You would need to attach an external headphone amp to the dedicated stereo outs of the 105 to accomplish what you're asking. That way, you can still have hdmi audio functioning from the 105.
 
#8,719 ·

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Originally Posted by gsr  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24219610


For DLNA, when you uses the Oppo's user interface or Oppo's MediaControl HD iOS app, the Oppo is pulling content from the DLNA server and acting as a DMP (digital media player). When using other methods to push content to the Oppo, such as JRemote, the Oppo is acting as a DMR (digital media renderer). IIRC, there's no difference between using it as a DMP or DMR when it comes to actually streaming the content.


For SMB/NFS, you can only use the Oppo's built-in user interface or Oppo's MediaControl HD iOS app to select what to play.
If that's the case, then, strictly from a user interface perspective, there really is no advantage between the following two states of the 105: when the 105 is acting as a DMP or when the 105 reads from a cifs/smb network. Either the 105's built in interface or Oppo's MediaControlHD app need to be utilized for both conditions.


My whole premise for asking these questions stemmed from a conversation last night about how some of the 105 customers who were using Twonky server were able to get the 105 to play dsf/dff files when the 105 is acting as a DMP. Apparently, someone was able to figure out the proper mime types for the dsf/dff files that the 105 was compatible with, and after configuring these mime types in the Twonky dlna server, they were able to get a 105 to pull/stream these file types when acting as a DMP. I see no advantage to playing dsf/dff files in this fashion if you have to use the same 105 user interfaces as you would by playing dsf/dff files via a cifs/smb network.
 
#8,720 ·

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Originally Posted by gsr  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24219610


IIRC, there's no difference between using it as a DMP or DMR when it comes to actually streaming the content.
Dead-on correct.


The important difference between the Oppo being a player and a renderer is the following:


When operating as a player, the initiation of playback happens "inside" the Oppo by the user using the Oppo Player's user interface. When operating as a renderer, initiation of playback happens outside the Oppo, with a controller (either JRMC itself or some other controller) telling the Oppo what to play. In BOTH cases, the Oppo then goes and gets what it was told to play. There is no actual "push" of content. The controller just says "Hey Oppo - stream this URL" and the Oppo goes and opens it, just as if the selection had been made internally.


One anticipated follow-on question: Why does the Oppo not display the album art/track name/album name metadata when working as a renderer?


Well, remember, in DLNA this information is not content, it is metadata. It is not part of the playback stream. Its source is the content directory on the server. But the Oppo is not talking to the content directory when it is being a renderer because it really does not need to. So it can't obtain the metadata that way.


But the Oppo is talking to the controller (actually, the other way around for this scenario). As it turns out, there is a way for the controller to include a metadata url in addition to the content url in the playback request so that the renderer can independently fetch the relevant specific metadata. The metadata URL is, unfortunately, an optional parameter. Hence, some controllers send it and some do not. Further, renderers do not have to use it if they don't want to. Given that the Oppo Renderer never displays tags no matter which controller you are using (yes, I have tried lots of them), I would guess that it is ignoring that parameter. The other possibility is that none of the many controllers I have tried push that metadata URL in the first place. I have not turned on the network sniffer to see, so I really do not know. But given a choice between a multi-cause failure and a single-cause failure, I will assign a higher probability to the single-cause failure every time until I get evidence that indicates otherwise.


One more oddball clarification as regards JRemote. I don't actually think JRemote is a DLNA controller, or if it is then it has lots of JRiver-specific nonstandard extensions. It is very tightly integrated with JRiver Media Center and does some things that are very difficult or perhaps even impossible to do in DLNA. Look at how it does those fantastic dynamic playlists, for example. As such, I think that in a setup with the Oppo Renderer, JRMC, and JRemote, it is JRMC that is acting as Content Directory, Content Server, and Controller. It is JRMC that seeks out the players and keeps track of them. JRemote is simply asking JRMC what players it sees. It is JRMC that is telling the Oppo Renderer to play "that". JRemote is just telling JRMC to play "that" using the Oppo. Again, this is a hypothesis that needs to be tested by firing up WireShark and having a look.


It is just that WireShark is SUCH a pain in the behind...
 
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I'm exploring the music playback options other than disc playback. I first tried downloading some free DSD files from 2L I tyhen copied them to a thumb drive and plugged it into the front USB port. The sound was awesome. Next I wanted to listen to my lossless wav files which are backups of my CD collection. I have the player connected to my PC via ethernet cable and I have an HDMI connection going to my SSP so I asked Oppo customer service which was the best. They replied
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You will want to use to Ethernet. HDMI will have a lot of line jitter, which will affect the performance of the audio. So you will want to use Ethernet (DLNA/SMB) or Asynchronous USB (BDP-105) to get your WAV files to the player from your computer.

So I tried it using whatever the 105 has to look at my music files. Would I be right to assume it's just grabbing the raw music files and this should sound as good as listening to the disc? Also what is DLNA and would loading a program on my PC to play my files be any better than the way I'm doing it now?
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Ruddy  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24219941


I'm exploring the music playback options other than disc playback. I first tried downloading some free DSD files from 2L I tyhen copied them to a thumb drive and plugged it into the front USB port. The sound was awesome. Next I wanted to listen to my lossless wav files which are backups of my CD collection. I have the player connected to my PC via ethernet cable and I have an HDMI connection going to my SSP so I asked Oppo customer service which was the best. They replied

So I tried it using whatever the 105 has to look at my music files. Would I be right to assume it's just grabbing the raw music files and this should sound as good as listening to the disc? Also what is DLNA and would loading a program on my PC to play my files be any better than the way I'm doing it now?
As we've been discussing above, using something like J River Media Center along with the JRemote iOS app would give you a MUCH nicer user interface. As far as sound quality goes, using locally attached storage, SMB / NFS network shares, or DLNA should be the same (of course this is always open to the typical ongoing debate
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Originally Posted by Steve Ruddy  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24219941


I'm exploring the music playback options other than disc playback. I first tried downloading some free DSD files from 2L I tyhen copied them to a thumb drive and plugged it into the front USB port. The sound was awesome. Next I wanted to listen to my lossless wav files which are backups of my CD collection. I have the player connected to my PC via ethernet cable and I have an HDMI connection going to my SSP so I asked Oppo customer service which was the best. They replied

So I tried it using whatever the 105 has to look at my music files. Would I be right to assume it's just grabbing the raw music files and this should sound as good as listening to the disc? Also what is DLNA and would loading a program on my PC to play my files be any better than the way I'm doing it now?
Don't get confused with your 105's hdmi inputs as opposed to its outputs. You definitely don't want to use the 105 hdmi output going to your SSP to playback your music, because then you won't be utilizing your 105's reference dacs. You'd be using the dac in your pre/pro, which would defeat the purpose of owning a 105. Oppo, in their answer to you, was talking about sending digital audio into your 105 via its hdmi input. You'll need special software running on your PC/laptop to send digital media via an hdmi cable to accomplish this. That is probably not what you want to do. You would want to utilize your home network and/or a usb drive attached to the 105 for media playback. Methods of 105 playback via your home network can be via a cifs/smb (NAS drive and/or networked pc/laptop drive) or a dlna server (JRiver, MinimServer, Twonky, etc.). You could compromise the audio quality of a digital file via a dlna server if you unintentionally transcode your digital media files. Aside from that, whatever method, usb or network, you utilize to playback your media files on your 105, the playback quality will be the same. Just remember, with dsd files (dsf/dff), those files will only playback on the 105 via a usb drive or cifs/smb file system on your home network.
 
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Originally Posted by DanF8500  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24219733


If that's the case, then, strictly from a user interface perspective, there really is no advantage between the following two states of the 105: when the 105 is acting as a DMP or when the 105 reads from a cifs/smb network. Either the 105's built in interface or Oppo's MediaControlHD app need to be utilized for both conditions.
Correct. Other than relatively subtle differences around how quickly the player may receive metadata for browsing, there's no difference from a user interface perspective - it's still a text based "directory" browser either way.
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My whole premise for asking these questions stemmed from a conversation last night about how some of the 105 customers who were using Twonky server were able to get the 105 to play dsf/dff files when the 105 is acting as a DMP. Apparently, someone was able to figure out the proper mime types for the dsf/dff files that the 105 was compatible with, and after configuring these mime types in the Twonky dlna server, they were able to get a 105 to pull/stream these file types when acting as a DMP. I see no advantage to playing dsf/dff files in this fashion if you have to use the same 105 user interfaces as you would by playing dsf/dff files via a cifs/smb network.
If we can figure out how to get DSD files to work with something like J River Media Center and JRemote, that would make for a better user interface.
 
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Originally Posted by LairdWilliams  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24219734


One more oddball clarification as regards JRemote. I don't actually think JRemote is a DLNA controller, or if it is then it has lots of JRiver-specific nonstandard extensions. It is very tightly integrated with JRiver Media Center and does some things that are very difficult or perhaps even impossible to do in DLNA. Look at how it does those fantastic dynamic playlists, for example. As such, I think that in a setup with the Oppo Renderer, JRMC, and JRemote, it is JRMC that is acting as Content Directory, Content Server, and Controller. It is JRMC that seeks out the players and keeps track of them. JRemote is simply asking JRMC what players it sees. It is JRMC that is telling the Oppo Renderer to play "that". JRemote is just telling JRMC to play "that" using the Oppo. Again, this is a hypothesis that needs to be tested by firing up WireShark and having a look.
I believe this to be the case too - JRemote is sold as a remote control app for JRMC, not as a DLNA controller. The way they've implemented it makes it one of the best solutions out there for this application - one of the best app purchases I've made.
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It is just that WireShark is SUCH a pain in the behind...
You can say that again. I use it frequently in my day job to inspect SOAP requests/responses (where the responses are often GZIPed to improve performance) for some of our backend web services to figure out why things aren't working and it's definitely not fun. But it's probably the best tool out there for the task and it's free. I've been running into a weird problem with it since yesterday afternoon though - it will capture requests for some of those web services, but not others. The filter I'm using, uses the service endpoint (so something like "ip.addr == services.mycompanyname.dev.com"), which is actually the same for the ones it will capture and the ones it won't (the services are differentiated by SOAP actions in the request headers)... The usual solution of rebooting the PC didn't help. Very bizarre and frustrating
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Originally Posted by DanF8500  /t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/8700#post_24220166


Don't get confused with your 105's hdmi inputs as opposed to its outputs. You definitely don't want to use the 105 hdmi output going to your SSP to playback your music, because then you won't be utilizing your 105's reference dacs. You'd be using the dac in your pre/pro, which would defeat the purpose of owning a 105. Oppo, in their answer to you, was talking about sending digital audio into your 105 via its hdmi input. You'll need special software running on your PC/laptop to send digital media via an hdmi cable to accomplish this.
Special software wouldn't be needed as the HDMI output on the PC can easily be configured as an audio device on the PC. So anything that plays audio on the PC, even Windows Media Player, could be used (naturally I'd suggest using something better such as JRMC instead). But doing so is less ideal than using the other methods such as SMB / NFS or DLNA.
 
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