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post #10801 of 11901 Old 05-21-2014, 10:03 PM
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The firmware download seems to be working fine, but I thought to do a reset to default, but couldn't find such a command. I've done it before with a download, but don't recall how I did it. If that's an option presented at the download, I don't recall seeing it.

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The firmware download seems to be working fine, but I thought to do a reset to default, but couldn't find such a command. I've done it before with a download, but don't recall how I did it. If that's an option presented at the download, I don't recall seeing it.

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Reset to default is under Settings | Device Settings, I believe.
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After the new firmware update the Oppo Media Control app doesn't work. I need to power ON my 105D for the app to detect the player.

you can close the app in the phone too...it's much faster..
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After the new firmware update the Oppo Media Control app doesn't work. I need to power ON my 105D for the app to detect the player.
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All is fine. After firmware update I did a full reset and then I forgot to set Quick Start. Thanks to Bob for the reminder smile.gif

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....I read about the "better sound" at the 720p setting and figured, well, I don't have to buy anything and it might take all of 5 minutes to try it, why not.

I too heard a significant improvement in the sound. I had originally written this post with a description of what I heard but felt that it might be off topic and should go to the "sound" thread for the 105.

I'm keeping the setting at 720p. For more critical viewing at 1080p, it takes all of 30 seconds to switch it back over; I use my 105 primarily for audio and Netflix.

Quick question: after the latest firmware upgrade, is the consensus to still turn HDMI off for HiRes and DSD listening?
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If you are hearing better audio using 720p that's of course a good trick for you to know. But if you really are hearing a significant or dramatic improvement, that suggests there is something wrong with your 1080p configuration. Even the folks who believe there is a technical reason why 720p *MIGHT* sound better wouldn't suggest the difference SHOULD BE significant or dramatic.

And of course that means it would be worthwhile figuring out what's wrong with your 1080p setup, since that affects audio for 1080p movie viewing.

This will be tricky to nail down as it likely involves details of your cabling, other settings and other HDMI gear.

For example, it could be a bandwidth issue with your cabling (marginal cabling). Setting 720p/60 is lower bandwidth than 1080p/60, and setting 720p may cause your other HDMI gear to reject Deep Color input if you have that enabled, which lowers the bandwidth even further.

My point is, if 720p sounds better to you, then of course you should use it. But it should leave a question in your mind as to WHAT'S WRONG in your setup at 1080p, more than what's right at 720p.

As to your other question, you can't turn off the HDMI outputs of the player, although you can deactivate them by uncabling them. Depending on your other HDMI gear, switching that gear to listen on a different HDMI input may or may not be the same thing as uncabling. (Some HDMI gear keeps its non-selected HDMI inputs "live" nonetheless.)

For the HDMI connections which are "live", you can turn off HDMI Audio.

You can also invoke Pure Mode (Pure button on the upper left of the remote) which blanks the video output to Black (there's still video output, but it is a Black frame) and also turns off the Front Panel Display. Press Pure button again to get those back. A trick: You can use the Light button lower right on the remote to briefly re-illuminate the Front Panel if you need to check it.
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The 720p vs 1080p discussion so far has been about reduced jitter but what about bandwidth?

My understanding from the BDP-105 manual is that Split A/V is the path to highest audio and video quality and I interpret this to mean that video quality on HDMI2 to an AVR is reduced if needs be to ensure a full bandwidth audio signal whereas HDMI1 to the display carries video only. Is that interpretation correct though?

.. so are people who are not using Split AV losing audio quality because of their video bandwidth needs and when they drop the video quality to 720p the audio sounds better as a result?

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The 720p vs 1080p discussion so far has been about reduced jitter but what about bandwidth?

My understanding from the BDP-105 manual is that Split A/V is the path to highest audio and video quality and I interpret this to mean that video quality on HDMI2 to an AVR is reduced if needs be to ensure a full bandwidth audio signal whereas HDMI1 to the display carries video only. Is that interpretation correct though?

.. so are people who are not using Split AV losing audio quality because of their video bandwidth needs and when they drop the video quality to 720p the audio sounds better as a result?

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When both outputs are "live", Split A/V mutes audio on HDMI 1. HDMI 2 gets a video resolution that's capable of carrying the full quality audio signal -- the best that device will accept -- even if the device on the other end of HDMI 2 can't handle the video resolution which works on HDMI 1.

When both outputs are "live", Dual Display, uses a compromise audio format that will work on both outputs. Since many displays can only accept stereo LPCM, that means HDMI 2 may also get only stereo LPCM.

Note that when only ONE of the two HDMI outputs is "live" -- either one -- the Split A/V vs. Dual Display setting choice is ignored. The one connection in use gets the best audio and video the device at the other end will accept.

When listening to Bitstream content as HDMI Bitstream audio it is also important to leave Secondary Audio OFF to avoid having to re-encode the Bitstream for output (as a lossy Bitstream).

And when listening to stereo content on any output, it is important to leave DTS Neo:6 Mode OFF unless you really want to take advantage of it on the multi-channel Analog outputs. DTS Neo:6 Mode will only engage for stereo content, but when engaged it limits the digital audio processing in the player to a max of 44.1 or 48KHz.

HDMI audio is embedded in the "blanking intervals" of HDMI video. (There's ALWAYS a video signal, even if it is just a Black screen.) That means audio has to fit into a portion of the video data for each frame. The way HDMI is designed, any resolution of 720p or higher has enough space to hold ANY of the audio formats HDMI supports.

So using 1080p video does not limit the ability to carry audio. I.e., there's not a tradeoff of video bandwidth for audio bandwidth.

However, higher total output bandwidth CAN mean you start noticing problems due to marginal cabling.
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I'm sure over 95% of the 105 owners on this forum have no idea what this whole discussion of 720P video and "better" audio have anything in common. Most of the 105 owners use its DACs and analog outputs for audio....not its digital outputs. I can understand this discussion pertaining more to the 103 owners, but not the 105 owners.
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So using 1080p video does not limit the ability to carry audio. I.e., there's not a tradeoff of video bandwidth for audio bandwidth.

However, higher total output bandwidth CAN mean you start noticing problems due to marginal cabling.
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Bob,

Thanks for clarifying. I evidently had a misconception about this.

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Just want to personally thank Bob for the guidance in post #10810. I have pieced together this information from various posts of his and of others, but it's nice to have it in one concise post. I've saved this off in a Word document and will be double-checking my settings when I get home from the office. I currently am using HDMI 1 direct to Panasonic VT50 and HDMI 2 to McIntosh MX121. I have the Oppo to Split A/V, so I've got the basics right. Now off to check the rest.

Like some other 105/105D owners, when it comes to music I'm generally using the 2-channel balanced outputs to my balanced stage in the A/V processor so I can go "pure/bypass" all the way through. I'm still using HDMI for movies until I can afford 6 high-quality interconnects for the 7.1 outputs.

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Hi Bob,

For the life of me, I'm not sure why I hear a difference but I hear one......I was skeptical about it but was surprised to hear something.
Perhaps my ears are playing tricks on me......I don't think so. I might not have golden ears but I'd say that they are perhaps above average and being a musician, I know what to listen for.

I don't wish to question those vastly more knowledgeable here, I am just reporting something. Take it was as many grains of salt as you would like...

I think that there's one or two others who are reporting the same thing.

Anyway, there ya go
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^ Sure, I'm not suggesting your ears are playing tricks on you. What I'm suggesting is that it may mean there's a problem which can be FIXED in your 1080p configuration.
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^ Sure, I'm not suggesting your ears are playing tricks on you. What I'm suggesting is that it may mean there's a problem which can be FIXED in your 1080p configuration.
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I should have worded my post a bit better. I understand what you have suggested and will try to address that. I appreciate the input. You make an interesting point, if there is something wrong with the 1080p setting then I haven't heard this player's best until stepping down to 720p...and yes it would be difficult to diagnose the problem. I think since it sounds very good now, I'd not go the cabling route as it would sound the same with both settings if cabling was at fault
On another note, using Pure Audio does absolutely nothing to my sound quality, accept allow me to focus more on the audio psychologically as when listening in a darkened room.

I'l do more listening between the two settings and perhaps ask for your assistance.
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I'd not go the cabling route as it would sound the same with both settings if cabling was at fault

I think you missed the point of Bob's post based on this statement. If there is cabling/bandwidth issues, it WON'T sound the same on both. Am I wrong?

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^ If the problem is bit drops due to marginal cabling, that will be more likely to happen when sending higher bandwidth video on the cable. 1080p/60 is higher bandwidth than 720p/60. Enabling Deep Color also uses more bandwidth.

Bit drops will USUALLY be noticeable in video before you hear issues in audio. The classic symptom is "sparklies": Randomly distributed, usually widely spaced, pixels turning on and off -- typically most easily seen in black or near black portions of video, particularly if you get up close to the screen.

Sparklies will typically sparkle even when the video is Paused.

HDMI cabling carries both high and low bandwidth signals, and each can fail separately if the cabling is marginal. Failures of the lower bandwidth signals typically show up as "handshake" failures or retries. Failures of the higher bandwidth signals typically show as the sparklies. BOTH are more likely to fail when sending higher bandwidth video.

Of course cabling is just one of many possibilities here. It's also possible the AVR simply isn't handling the 1080p input properly.
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^ Ramatam said on the Sound Quality thread that the difference he heard was with the 105's analog outputs....I still say "impossible". Changing the 105's video output resolution should have nothing to do with direct 105 Digital to analog conversion.
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A new version of Oppo's Media Control HD app was just made available for tablets (iPads) running iOS 6.0 and later. There's another Oppo Media Control app optimized for the iPhone 5 released yesterday also. I just ran the iPad version of the app and it's a remarkably improved version from all the previous versions. This app is actually very useable! Very robust so far, and digital audio within a media directory is played back in alphanumeric order perfectly! Kudos to Oppo for finally fixing all the bugs which plagued this app since its creation!
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I did the update in my iPad but I love the look of the new iPhone version better. Love the black background on the iPhone version better than the grey on the iPad.

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"If you are hearing better audio using 720p that's of course a good trick for you to know. But if you really are hearing a significant or dramatic improvement, that suggests there is something wrong with your 1080p configuration. Even the folks who believe there is a technical reason why 720p *MIGHT* sound better wouldn't suggest the difference SHOULD BE significant or dramatic."


I find the difference significant and dramatic, that is why I started talking about this. I am aware that the differences may not be significant or dramatic to others. Point here is that I can see others saying this is a major change and others might not be able to hear it. To me, it is significant and dramatic. It will not be to everyone.

Charles Hansen seems to think it is significant as the dedicated audio ouput on his player runs only at 720P. The explanation for 720P sounding better over HDMI is already there. Some people are hearing the actual proof. Some people aren't.

Hearing this difference does not mean anything is wrong with the 1080P setup, it simply means one can hear the reduced jitter due to using 720P.

I can hear an improvement over all the outputs not just HDMI (well, I did not test optical, but the optical is fed from the coax, so it should also improve). I cannot explain this specifically, but it does not suprise me, and I have theories.
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kellybob,

Should or would this difference in sound at 720P be evident even with HDMI audio turned off and/or in Pure Audio mode?

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Try deactivating NF in the setup menu erasing all you NF info, then reactivate it.

This did not fix the problem for me.

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This is from Oppo regarding the 0515 firmware update:

Due to the extensive changes in this major firmware update, it is recommended that the user performs a "Reset Factory Defaults" operation after the firmware is installed. Please write down your special settings before doing this, and remember to re-apply your settings and adjust the proper volume level (if applicable) before you play any content. You may experience stability issues if this step is not performed.

Did you do the "Reset Factory Default" after update? I did it and NF is working fine.


This fixed the problem for me. Thanks.
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Should or would this difference in sound at 720P be evident even with HDMI audio turned off and/or in Pure Audio mode?

Thanks,

Yes, evident with HDMI audio turned off. Yes, evident in Pure Audio mode. Yes, evident with HDMI audio turned off and in Pure Audio mode.
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Thank you. Something new to test.
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I have downloaded and installed the new firmware six times. No matter what I do the factory settings reset is greyed out and cannot be selected. I'm using a USB thumb drive. The only issue I have is that on some Blu Ray discs I cannot go back using the reverse button on the remote. Any suggestions?

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