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I have had my 103 for a year and love it with my Marantz SR7007

I'm getting a 105D and moving the 103 to another room.

I am also pretty excited about hearing the stereo output from the 105 played through my vintage receivers. I'm a vintage audio gear nut. But I will still run it through the Marantz SR7007 for movies.

BDP103>SR7007>55"ES8000
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Break-ins are one of those things that some people believe in and others don't. One theory says that nothing happens in the unit during break-in but in the listener who adapts to the sound of the unit over time. Others speak of capacitors and other components settling in and the like. You'll get different opinions as to whether anything is really happening. I don't think there is a definitive answer.

Specifically as relates to the 105. Some people believe that the sound quality improves during the first couple of hundred hours of use. I never noticed any real change with my 105. You may come to a different conclusion.
Yes a polarizing subject.
I feel that my system sounds better after actively playing for 20-30 minutes or so but this is a repeating process that happens every time I turn it on, again YMMV.
What I have never understood about "break in" per se is if you do believe in break in what makes you think that it automatically ceases at a given optimal point?
Logically(or not), wouldn't this break in effect continue throughout the life of the component?
Does this break in make the component sound continually better as time goes until it wears out or is there a bell in the curve where essentially break in turns into break down?
It doesn't seem to me that break in is a graph line that continues on an upward path to infinity and beyond
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H Ruudje. Yes. I even returned my player to JVB, but they said they noticed nothing. They returned the OPPO, I changed router, cables, etc but no change. Now I read what could be the issue.
At least that seems to be the first step to a resolution. Next step is that OPPO confirms this. (Bjorn from OPPO support tells me, there is no known issue).
I just wrote a mail to JVB (distributor in the Netherlands) about this posting. See what happens now.
Yesterday I received following mail from Oppo concerning the framerate:

Dear Mark

I think i misunderstood you if it is jagging when panning this is a known issue and setting it to 60Hz is the only way to fix it for now as the Netflix app does not recognize the Hz correctly.
We are looking to find a solution to this so that it auto change Hz.

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Bjorn
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So, I hope it will be fixed soon..
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Yesterday I received following mail from Oppo concerning the framerate:

Dear Mark

I think i misunderstood you if it is jagging when panning this is a known issue and setting it to 60Hz is the only way to fix it for now as the Netflix app does not recognize the Hz correctly.
We are looking to find a solution to this so that it auto change Hz.

Best Regards
Bjorn
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So, I hope it will be fixed soon..
Yes hopefully,

Yesterday I forgot to change my Oppo's 'TV System' setting from Multi-Standard to NTSC and when I visited the USA version of Netflix and played 'Erased' (Rated R @ 1h 44m), the Oppo passed a 50Hz signal to my TV instead of 60Hz. Sufficed to say, the displayed video was full of motion judder.

Anyway, it's re-assuring to know that Oppo are aware of the issue. Thanks Mark

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I also posted this in the BDP-103 thread.

Note to those of you using Windows 8.1 who would like to use SMB with your Oppo player.

The documentation for today's (8/12/14) second Windows 8.1 update indicates that it addresses issues with SMB drives not working. I have not tested this since I don't currently have an SMB setup. Some of you who do and have this version of Windows might want to do the update and try it. I know that SMB has never worked with Windows 8.x. It may work with this update.

By the way, this is a second optional update in addition to the regular monthly Windows updates. If you have automatic updates turned on, it should install automatically after the regular update are installed. If you don't allow automatic updates, use Check for Updates in Windows Update and be sure to install all pending security updates before installing this one (they are a prerequisite, it seems). You may need to reboot several times. You can also get the update file (and see what other issues it addresses) here: https://support.microsoft.com/kb/2975719

AMEN to this, finally SMB works! I've been waiting for ages for that issue to be fixed on windows 8.1
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Hello lads. Does anyone knows if Oppo 105 supports ReplayGain on .Flac?

Thank you
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Hello lads. Does anyone knows if Oppo 105 supports ReplayGain on .Flac?

Thank you
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Hello lads. Does anyone knows if Oppo 105 supports ReplayGain on .Flac?

Thank you
In short, no!

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In short, no!
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So I got an OPPO BDP-105 player about 3 months ago.
This feeds into a Rotel Pre/Power (stereo) combo with my beloved Pro-Ject turntable and Canton Vento speakers - I'm happy with the system.

I'm using a NAS drive with ALAC rips for digital music playback via the app which works nicely.

How do most people rip and stream their BD/DVD collection? (I mostly use Mac but have Windows too)
I'll probably look at a bigger NAS soon (4GB currently).

I would like to rip my BD/DVDs (Full HD for the BDs and native res for the DVDs) and store them on the NAS.
I would like to playback across the network (ethernet).

What formats do most people use for video?
Pros and cons?

I'm looking for quality - not so worried about file size. (I'm more of a music guy so I don;t have thousands)

Thank you in advance.
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How do most people rip and stream their BD/DVD collection? (I mostly use Mac but have Windows too)
I'll probably look at a bigger NAS soon (4GB currently).

I would like to rip my BD/DVDs (Full HD for the BDs and native res for the DVDs) and store them on the NAS.
I would like to playback across the network (ethernet).

What formats do most people use for video?
Pros and cons?
Easiest solution: MakeMKV, which is cross-platform. Does both DVD and Blu-ray.

For more, see this thread: Ripping Blu-Rays II

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How do most people rip and stream their BD/DVD collection? (I mostly use Mac but have Windows too)
I'll probably look at a bigger NAS soon (4GB currently).

I would like to rip my BD/DVDs (Full HD for the BDs and native res for the DVDs) and store them on the NAS.
I would like to playback across the network (ethernet).

What formats do most people use for video?
Pros and cons?
The majority of my DVD and Blu-ray disc back-ups are saved to the Matroska (.mkv) container. All contain the native video and audio streams along with chapters.

I store my movies on a large capacity USB3 NTFS formatted external HDD and my music on a smaller capacity USB3 HDD. Both of which are directly connected to a 2-bay Synology NAS. Currently the NAS contains just one 1TB HDD. As I only have a 10/100 wired network, having my media stored on USB3 HDD's makes it much faster for me to transfer and save large movie back-ups from my computer

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As I only have a 10/100 wired network, having my media stored on USB3 HDD's makes it much faster for me to transfer and save large movie back-ups from my computer
Not with you here. Is the NAS network-connected? If so, wouldn't have thought the speed of USB would make any difference for you.
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Not with you here. Is the NAS network-connected? If so, wouldn't have thought the speed of USB would make any difference for you.
I believe he meant he can temporarily connect the USB drives directly to his PC to transfer new files to them, then reconnect them to the NAS when done. You can't do that with drives that are internal to the NAS.
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I believe he meant he can temporarily connect the USB drives directly to his PC to transfer new files to them, then reconnect them to the NAS when done. You can't do that with drives that are internal to the NAS.
Ah, yes, you're probably right!
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The majority of my DVD and Blu-ray disc back-ups are saved to the Matroska (.mkv) container. All contain the native video and audio streams along with chapters.

I store my movies on a large capacity USB3 NTFS formatted external HDD and my music on a smaller capacity USB3 HDD. Both of which are directly connected to a 2-bay Synology NAS. Currently the NAS contains just one 1TB HDD. As I only have a 10/100 wired network, having my media stored on USB3 HDD's makes it much faster for me to transfer and save large movie back-ups from my computer
You've done well in that regard, since even a gig network is a pain in the neck for transfer of ripped BDs. Using a LAN for movie file transfers is a bit like drinking a really large milkshake through a coffee stirrer.

Streaming is no problem, since the file only needs to cross the network fast enough to play back - but playback is slow - like 2+ hours for the movie. When you are not watching the movie and just trying to transfer the file, over even an hour for a single movie is for-e-ver.

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Not with you here. Is the NAS network-connected? If so, wouldn't have thought the speed of USB would make any difference for you.
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I believe he meant he can temporarily connect the USB drives directly to his PC to transfer new files to them, then reconnect them to the NAS when done. You can't do that with drives that are internal to the NAS.
You are correct GSR

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You've done well in that regard, since even a gig network is a pain in the neck for transfer of ripped BDs. Using a LAN for movie file transfers is a bit like drinking a really large milkshake through a coffee stirrer.
Indeed... Before I had my 'light bulb moment'. Transferring Blu-ray disc back-up's to my NAS over my 10/100 network was frustratingly slow

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So I got an OPPO BDP-105 player about 3 months ago.
This feeds into a Rotel Pre/Power (stereo) combo with my beloved Pro-Ject turntable and Canton Vento speakers - I'm happy with the system.

I'm using a NAS drive with ALAC rips for digital music playback via the app which works nicely.

How do most people rip and stream their BD/DVD collection? (I mostly use Mac but have Windows too)
I'll probably look at a bigger NAS soon (4GB currently).

I would like to rip my BD/DVDs (Full HD for the BDs and native res for the DVDs) and store them on the NAS.
I would like to playback across the network (ethernet).

What formats do most people use for video?
Pros and cons?

I'm looking for quality - not so worried about file size. (I'm more of a music guy so I don;t have thousands)

Thank you in advance.
Use MakeMKV (1.8.11; 1.8.12 has issues right now with LPCM audio) to rip blu ray to MKV. Remember it's a rip, no re-encoding; just packaging into an MKV container.

I'm a mac guy, but the best DLNA/media server is JRiver. There is a MAV version but it's severely limited and can't serve video yet. The windows version is great.

Couple that with (on iOS) JRemote or (on Android) BubbleUPNP so that you can browse your JRiver library and *push* contenct to the Oppo.

Be aware:

1: You likely need a wired connection. Wireless will likely stutter - even wireless N.

2: As a Digital Media Renderer, the Oppo will not be able to enable subtitles from MKV. Doesn't matter what format they are in (PGS, SRT, etc...)

2a: Using the Oppo to "pull" content via DLNA, the Oppo will be able to enable subtitles from MKV, but only if they are SRT. It will not display PGS subs overDLNA

2b: Using the Oppo iOS/Android app to browse SMB shares (if you don't want to use DLNA), the Oppo will indeed now be able to render PGS subs from MKV files! But the app is basic, uses Gracenote, and has terrible library capabilities.

2c: Forced subtitles in MKV containers are completely ignored by the Oppo player. It does not matter if you enable them or not using an MKV metadata editor; the Oppo largely ignores most all MKV tags (I name all my movies with forced subs using a "*" in the title that tells me to enable to forced sub track)

3: Gapless FLAC audio playback over DLNA does not work. I think it's supposed to work fine over SMB.

4: SMB from a Mac is a royal pain in the butt to set up and get working. Again, Windows (as much as I hate it) made this trivial for me. I use Windows 7 in this case.

5: For Music, FLAC is the way to go. With JRiver you can also stream DSD which AcousticSounds sells (limited selection, but seems to be growing).

5a: DVD Audio Extractor will rip DVD-A discs to FLAC if you have them. You'll need to do some tag editing to set the tags like artist, album art using something like Yate.

Oh, and finally, using the Oppo as a DMR, chapter skip forward does not work; chapter skip back does. Using the direct-chapter selection does work however which tells me at least the Oppo "sees" that chapters in this mode within MKV files.

Good luck
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I am just starting to look at the possibility of ripping my SACD collection (using a link in the DSD Database Project to 'Ted’s SACD Ripping Guide - Version 4.0' as a guide) but before I set off down that road I need a better understanding of what the Oppo BDP-105 can do with DSD files.
DSD DATABASE PROJECT


Based on reading the guidance provided by the DSD Database Project, my current understanding is that the latest BDP-105 firmware supports the playing of DSD64 files stored on a locally attached USB drive. Does this mean that the Oppo is fully capable of decoding DSD files and generating the required multichannel or stereo analogue signals? Is there any expectation that a future firmware update will support DSD via a network connection?


Apologies in advance if these questions have already been answered many times before. I just couldn't face searching the 381 pages of this thread....


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^ David, the 105 currently supports DSD via attached usb storage, *AND* via network (SMB, DLNA protocols). The 105 DAC's can convert DSD streams direct to analog without needing to convert to an interim PCM stream. It's your choice though. If you need bass/speaker management or other digital processing (downmix, crossover, trim, etc), then the 105 won't be able to convert DSD direct to analog. You'll have to tell it to convert to PCM first, and that PCM stream will be transcoded/sampled at 88.2 kHz, 24-bit.

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^ David, the 105 currently supports DSD via attached usb storage, *AND* via network (SMB, DLNA protocols).

Hi Dan,
That's excellent news. The DSD Database Project is obviously a little out of date.


I now need to start checking eBay for suitable old Sony PS3 consoles...


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Just to be certain, does playing a DSD file on the Oppo sound exactly the same as the original SACD disk from which it was ripped?


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Oppo 105 DSD "rips"

Regarding DSD "rips", I have also done this and backed up all my 120+ SACD using a suitable PS3 I tracked down and bought. (They seem to be rarer in the UK than the States due to the serial number required). It took a while for each disk to spin and rip to iso but the process once initiated took care of itself with minimal input and went flawlessly. (I have finished with the PS3 now, so if anyone is interested in buying it, let me know!)


I HAD extracted the audio from the iso's as .dsf files (multichannel and stereo) which is the DSD format which can be properly tagged, and whilst the Oppo plays these beautifully in DSD direct (as well as DSD to PCM conversion if you so wish), it does NOT play these files with gapless playback from a USB drive or from a network drive. There is more of a noticeable gap and a stutter between files (presumably due to the files being massive) than with all my other flac files played without selecting gapless play first. This affects classical music and live music terribly but also makes most albums irritating to listen to for me as there is usually at least one track seguing straight into the next one on lots of pop and rock albums.


I was going to convert all of my .dsf files to stereo and multichannel 24 bit 88.2kHz FLAC files to get around this but fortunately, I kept copies of the direct iso rips so that I can extract the dsd files into whatever format I need and have now learned a better way


This weekend I used SACDextract to re-extract the multichannel and stereo DSD files from the iso's as "DSDIFF Edit Master" DSD files plus .cue files and I am relieved to say that the Oppo 105EU plays the cue files to allow any track direct selection and also has gapless playback for sequential tracks as the DSDIFF Edit Master contains the whole track list in one file (One for the stereo layer, one for multichannel). Woohoo!


I definitely prefer DSD direct to the 24 bit 88.2 kHz versions when I did a direct comparison which fits in with me also preferring DSD direct to the Oppo's internal PCM conversion on the SACD discs, so I am now a happy bunny and in the meantime have become a bit of an expert on the whole process and software required!
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Just to be certain, does playing a DSD file on the Oppo sound exactly the same as the original SACD disk from which it was ripped?


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Ha! My long reply meant you got a few messages in whilst I did it!


The DSD files sound 100% the same - as they should because they go straight from the USB disc to the internal wiring (and bypasses the DACS obviously for DSD Direct)


You might even say it could be more pure as there is no internal disc spinning or laser physical movements or potential for data read errors.
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Regarding DSD "rips", I have also done this and backed up all my 120+ SACD using a suitable PS3 I tracked down and bought. (They seem to be rarer in the UK than the States due to the serial number required). It took a while for each disk to spin and rip to iso but the process once initiated took care of itself with minimal input and went flawlessly. (I have finished with the PS3 now, so if anyone is interested in buying it, let me know!)

They are indeed rare beasts in the UK. Which country do you live in?

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This weekend I used SACDextract to re-extract the multichannel and stereo DSD files from the iso's as "DSDIFF Edit Master" DSD files plus .cue files and I am relieved to say that the Oppo 105EU plays the cue files to allow any track direct selection and also has gapless playback for sequential tracks as the DSDIFF Edit Master contains the whole track list in one file (One for the stereo layer, one for multichannel). Woohoo!

Gapless playback is vital for me, so thanks for bringing this matter to my attention.

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I definitely prefer DSD direct to the 24 bit 88.2 kHz versions when I did a direct comparison which fits in with me also preferring DSD direct to the Oppo's internal PCM conversion on the SACD discs, so I am now a happy bunny and in the meantime have become a bit of an expert on the whole process and software required!

That went over my head. Please clarify.

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The DSD files sound 100% the same - as they should because they go straight from the USB disc to the internal wiring (and bypasses the DACS obviously for DSD Direct)
The DAC's aren't bypassed...they're the chips doing the conversion of the DSD stream to analog.
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They are indeed rare beasts in the UK. Which country do you live in?




Gapless playback is vital for me, so thanks for bringing this matter to my attention.




That went over my head. Please clarify.


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Hi David, I'm in London.


Regarding the bit you didn't get, I was referring to the ways you could listen to SACD discs and SACD "rips" on the Oppo.


1. SACD discs via "DSD Direct" to analog (Needs decent full range speakers, particularly for multichannel as the DSD channels are full range and small bookshelves may fail to reproduce the full sound array)


2. SACD discs via Oppo's internal DSD to PCM conversion. This allows the Oppo to then take the 24 bit 88.2 kHz PCM through the DAC where bass management, channel levelling and upmixing / downmixing etc can occur. This is advised if you listen to multichannel DSD files and do NOT have decent centre and surround speakers and for stereo and multichannel if you listen to stereo sound through "small" speakers with subwoofer bass redirection.


3. SACD DSD rips with DSD files played off a USB disc or network via DSD Direct, as per no. 1


4. SACD DSD rips with DSD files played off a USB disc or network with the OPPO doing DSD to PCM conversion in the DACS, as per no. 2


5. SACD DSD rips with the files pre-converted on a PC to FLAC or similar and saved in that format, and probably optimally done at 24 bit 88.2 kHz. These files can be multichannel or stereo and are much smaller than raw DSD files if disc space is a premium. (40% of the size with 180 MB for a 3 1/2 minute file as 5.1 FLAC vs 422 MB as 5.1 DSD)
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The DAC's aren't bypassed...they're the chips doing the conversion of the DSD stream to analog.


Yes. Point taken, although due to the nature of the 1 bit quantisation it should be a very simple "1-bit DAC" process then a low order analogue filter
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Hi Mark,
I'm in Southampton, so perhaps we could do a deal on your PS3. I suggest you send me a PM with more info about your console and an indication of what price you were hoping to achieve.



My SACDs are played on good quality full range speakers and a check of my current Oppo settings shows that I use the DSD option rather than PCM.


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