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Yeah, I suspect the remote fell between couch cushions and that volume button got repeatedly pressed into oblivion!




While we're talking about this, is there an optimum "best setting" for the volume?
Turn it up til your ears bleed. Then, back it off a little.

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While we're talking about this, is there an optimum "best setting" for the volume?
If you are attached to a pre-amp or AVR with its own Volume control, then set the OPPO Volume to 100 (or "Fixed" in Setup, which will also prevent the "it fell in the sofa" problem).

Only back off from 100 if you discover that you are clipping the inputs of your pre-amp -- i.e., harshness in loud passages. Typically, you'll only have to back off a few dB to cure that. Each step of Volume below 100 is -0.5dB attenuation from full scale.

NOTE: Particularly when running Volume 100, it is best not to have any positive valued speaker volume level trims in Speaker Configuration. That small extra increase in volume for a speaker may be enough to clip the input of your pre-amp. Once you've found the correct level trims, if any are above 0, simply lower ALL of them by the same amount so that the biggest is 0 and the rest are negative values. Compensate by raising Volume in the pre-amp to get the desired listening level.

If you are attached to something that does NOT have its own Volume control, then of course set the OPPO Volume to a pleasing listening level. The Rule of Thumb is that if your Volume setting on the 105 or 105D is 70 or higher then you have a good match for direct connection to an amp like this. That's just guidance, and with a good deal of safety margin in that figure.
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Simple question?

I'm considering using an Oppo 105D directly connected to my Bryston amps to replace an Esoteric DV-50 and Anthem AVM20. This could work out very well for Hi Rez disc playback (I think) with analog bass management (Outlaw Audio ICBM) given my quasi-ITU setup, full range speakers and good room. The issue is that my wife listens to JazzFM a lot. It is available on the internet, but I'm not sure how best to go about streaming it to the Oppo.
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^ Check to see if it is offered as a channel on ROKU. If so you can get a ROKU Streaming Stick from OPPO and plug it into the Front HDMI/MHL Input. You'll need Wifi networking that the ROKU stick can connect to. You control the stick using the normal OPPO remote for the player.
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I'm considering using an Oppo 105D directly connected to my Bryston amps to replace an Esoteric DV-50 and Anthem AVM20. This could work out very well for Hi Rez disc playback (I think) with analog bass management (Outlaw Audio ICBM) given my quasi-ITU setup, full range speakers and good room. The issue is that my wife listens to JazzFM a lot. It is available on the internet, but I'm not sure how best to go about streaming it to the Oppo.
You might be able to figure out a way to stream it via a DLNA server (I don't have a specific recommendation for one that will support JazzFM) or you could hook a PC up to one of the Oppo's HDMI, digital, or async USB inputs and play the sound from the PC via the Oppo.
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I'm considering using an Oppo 105D directly connected to my Bryston amps to replace an Esoteric DV-50 and Anthem AVM20. This could work out very well for Hi Rez disc playback (I think) with analog bass management (Outlaw Audio ICBM) given my quasi-ITU setup, full range speakers and good room. The issue is that my wife listens to JazzFM a lot. It is available on the internet, but I'm not sure how best to go about streaming it to the Oppo.
You're in luck. I discovered a uPnP app some time ago called Creation 5. It was quite buggy when it first released, and its "Rdio" feature, which has thousands of digital radio stations to choose from, wouldn't play nice with my 105. After undergoing quite a few recent revisions, the C5 app is more stabilized, and I can now play a number of the available digital radio stations on my Oppo player. Some stations still don't function, but JazzFM is functioning fine. Creation 5 runs on my iPad (iOS app). The app uses my DLNA server embedded on my Synology NAS to push available radio stations to my 105. The 105 is acting as a media renderer. Very nice. Creation 5 can also stream your digital audio to your 105. Currently, it can't stream DSD audio, but I've been requesting they offer it. We'll see. There's a free trial version of the app, but not sure if JazzFM is part of the free trial.
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I'm considering using an Oppo 105D directly connected to my Bryston amps to replace an Esoteric DV-50 and Anthem AVM20. This could work out very well for Hi Rez disc playback (I think) with analog bass management (Outlaw Audio ICBM) given my quasi-ITU setup, full range speakers and good room. The issue is that my wife listens to JazzFM a lot. It is available on the internet, but I'm not sure how best to go about streaming it to the Oppo.
I stream from my iMac to my Oppo by using the USB out on the iMac to the USB in on the Oppo and use the Oppo DAC.
If you have a Mac, you go into the midi settings and select the Oppo as the output device and it should stream anything on your Mac.

As far as direct playback from the Oppo to the Bryston, i called Oppo about 2 weeks ago and asked about going direct from the Oppo to an amp, the tech guy said to try it, he said it may sound good, it may sound like crap, it depends on the amp. He also said "we have pre-amps"for a reason". So out of pure laziness, I used that as an excuse to not trying to go direct.

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I've become more and more disenchanted with Audyssey XT32 on my Onkyo 818 (used as a pre/processor) and general stereo music sound quality. I'm now wondering about upgrading my BDP93 to a BDP105 and going directly into my Arcam P7 power amp (which in turn is connected to MK Sound MP150/S150T speakers).

I know I'll forgo room EQ, but my DIY subwoofers (2 x 15" Fi Q series) are driven by an amp with plenty of EQ so I can manually eq them using REW, or even get another antimode or similar. I think part of my current issue is that I prefer the sound of the main speakers without EQ, but the bass does benefit from it.

I think that selling my 818, BDP93 and separate Darbee would mostly cover the cost of the BDP105 anyway, especially if another BDP105D comes up on the UK classifieds as happened recently.

Since I only have one other source (a HD PVR) and use a separate Lumagen VP for calibration, it seems I'm an ideal candidate. Is there anything I'm missing? I'm not interested in Atmos and 4K is a long way off for me, so any amp/processor upgrade would be for better sound quality rather than extra 'features' or room eq.

I assume that I'd be able to put the optical output from my TV into the 105's digital audio input too? During the week we tend to only use the TV's speakers, so even this isn't a deal breaker if not possible (I can watch 'TV' via my PVR anyway).

It's just the comments about using an amp 'because it might sound crap' put me off a little. Is the volume control on the Oppo not very good?

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The Oppo volume control is very, very good. It's my understanding that the crappy sound is mostly when there are input impedance mismatches between the Oppo and the amp.

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Thanks for the quick answer.

Is there anyway to know if the Arcam P7 (unbalanced only option on the inputs) is likely to be a problem? Or perhaps if there are any 105 owners that use a P7 this way (long shot I guess)?

Input impedance for the P7 is 22Kohm.

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.. I'm now wondering about upgrading my BDP93 to a BDP105 and going directly into my Arcam P7 power amp (which in turn is connected to MK Sound MP150/S150T speakers).

I think that selling my 818, BDP93 and separate Darbee would mostly cover the cost of the BDP105 anyway, especially if another BDP105D comes up on the UK classifieds as happened recently.

I assume that I'd be able to put the optical output from my TV into the 105's digital audio input too? During the week we tend to only use the TV's speakers, so even this isn't a deal breaker if not possible (I can watch 'TV' via my PVR anyway).

It's just the comments about using an amp 'because it might sound crap' put me off a little. Is the volume control on the Oppo not very good?
I fully understand your concerns of foregoing your pre/pro and connecting a 105 direct to your P7 amp. I will say there are a lot of happy 105 owners doing just that. Then there are some that have tried this, and preferred the sound of Oppo->pre/pro->amp instead. It's quite subjective. Not all power amps will sound as good as others directly being fed by a 105. Not all amps have the same input/output specs. This can encompass multiple factors...impedance, overloading mismatches, and overdriving/clipping your amp's inputs, along with speaker impedance/sensitivity. In the end, only you can decide if you prefer your newly proposed equipment hookup over your existing one. After listening to your system for many years, we develop a bias as to how audio should sound, and then when we introduce something new into the mix, it doesn't sound quite right. Others are hoping for a new, improved listening experience, however. It sounds like you are in the latter. I'd go for it! What do you have to lose? That's what this hobby is all about. Changing, tweaking, until you've reached nirvana.
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Thanks for the quick answer.

Is there anyway to know if the Arcam P7 (unbalanced only option on the inputs) is likely to be a problem? Or perhaps if there are any 105 owners that use a P7 this way (long shot I guess)?
Oppo gives you a 30-day trial. If it doesn't work for you, you pay only return shipping. You could try the Oppo and, if it works for you, then get rid of your other gear.
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Thanks guys. I think I'll just keep my eyes open for another used deal on a 105/105D.

That way it will be price neutral by the time I've sold my 818, BDP93 and Darbee 5000. (In UK prices I'd be looking at around £750 for the sale of them all, and used 105D seem to sell for less than that. A new 105D would be £1,100).

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Thanks for the quick answer.

Is there anyway to know if the Arcam P7 (unbalanced only option on the inputs) is likely to be a problem? Or perhaps if there are any 105 owners that use a P7 this way (long shot I guess)?

Input impedance for the P7 is 22Kohm.
I think there's a good chance a 105 will work fine with your amp, even though the input impedance is half of what Oppo recommends (min of 47K Ohm). Maybe a few of those owners with low input impedance power amps will chime in here, but I'm certain I've read a few posts of Oppo owners who are in this category and are having no loading issues whatsoever. As for your amp's input sensitivity/voltage gain, I've computed that you should be able to reach your amp's fully rated output (230W rms) with your 4 Ohm speakers(they're 4 ohm, right?) with an input of 1.07 volts. Since the 105's output voltage via its rca analog outs is 2.1 V at max output (100 on volume) and each increment/decrement of the 105's volume equates to .5 dB steps, you should be able to reach your amp's full power potential (at 4 ohm) with an Oppo volume of roughly 88.
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My amp's input impedance is 17K. My 105 sounds great.
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Thanks for the feedback and technical details. I hope one turns up soon.

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good discussion...

I can set my Bryston 4B-SST for balanced and 6B-SST for single-ended. And I shouldn't have any impedance issues (50k). Using my Outlaw Audio ICBM I can pull the bass off of the single-ended L,R. Still, no guarantee that the Oppo will sound as good as my current Esoteric DV-50/Anthem AVM20 combination.


Replacing the tuner is another issue, and I'm running Windows 7 so the Mac stuff won't work.
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I can set my Bryston 4B-SST for balanced and 6B-SST for single-ended. And I shouldn't have any impedance issues (50k). Using my Outlaw Audio ICBM I can pull the bass off of the single-ended L,R. Still, no guarantee that the Oppo will sound as good as my current Esoteric DV-50/Anthem AVM20 combination.


Replacing the tuner is another issue, and I'm running Windows 7 so the Mac stuff won't work.
Similarly to the suggested iMac solution, you can connect a Windows 7 PC to the Oppo via the Async USB input, or HDMI. I also did a bit of Googling on "JazzFM DLNA" and it looks like there are some options that may be worth looking into.

Replacing an analog AM/FM tuner in a setup that replaces a preamp with the BDP-105 is a tougher problem to solve though .
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I Just purchased the new blu-Ray Pure Audio Supertramp "Crime Of the Century" and my OPPO BDP-105 is unable to play it, the response i have from my OPPO is "disk unknown".
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Bummer... I should be receiving this very disc myself within the next few days!
My HFPA disc finally arrived this morning. The Oppo's playing it just fine.

Annoyingly, the 2Ch Dolby TrueHD (192kHz/24-bit) stream includes a +4dB DialNorm signal...

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Playing the new TIDAl player on the Oppo

Any chance that Oppo will support the new 16/44 streaming service called Tidal? It would presumably require a firmware update, but could be offered in the same way that Pandora today is. I guess the biggest issue is who pays whom what for agreeing to add the service as Oppo is well established and Tidal is a relative newcomer.
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Any chance that Oppo will support the new 16/44 streaming service called Tidal? It would presumably require a firmware update, but could be offered in the same way that Pandora today is. I guess the biggest issue is who pays whom what for agreeing to add the service as Oppo is well established and Tidal is a relative newcomer.
Email OPPO the idea and see what they say about it.

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Oppo 105 vs Sony s790

Oppo 105 vs Sony s790
Will I really hear a difference between my 790 and the oppo 105. Is there really a pic difference. I already have a Darby but it would be nice to have two
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Will I really hear a difference between my 790 and the oppo 105. Is there really a pic difference. I already have a Darby but it would be nice to have two
Why would you want to compare a $180 blu-ray player to a $1200 player? Of course the Oppo player is better, but the real question you should be asking yourself is will you be able to take advantage of the Oppo's performance, visually and audibly with your existing equipment?
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