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post #12331 of 12760 Old 01-26-2015, 03:23 PM
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I dont think there is any clipping.
Its just the way it sounds.

I think it has something to do with low pass filter and its rolloff,bryston has 24db octave filter,where oppo must have something like 12db,which would be very unusual for low freq.
Probably it has 18db and that is the culprit!
From my experience,difference between 18db and 24db can be huge.

It can take up to 4vrms in bypass mode.
Never heard of an 18dB slope. The OPPO is 12dB.
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Never heard of an 18dB slope. The OPPO is 12dB.
I had some old "Infinite Slope" brand speakers years ago that had 100+dB-per-octave crossovers. Loved the sound of the speakers - but really can't say whether the crossover slope did anything for them. I suspect that it did, since the phase distortion problem that is inherent in crossovers was mitigated to a great degree. But now we have DSPs that can compensate for that to some degree, and there are both advantages and disadvantages to both conventional and "hard-wall" crossovers. The Audio Theory forum ought to have a good discussion about this.

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Never heard of an 18dB slope. The OPPO is 12dB.
I couldnt find what slope is on oppo,but when its true that it has 12db,i am sure this is the problem i am experiencing.
Why would they use 12db slope,is beyond me.In low pass slope should be steeper,am i right?
In car audio nobody ever would use
12db for low fq.I had amps and preamps in my car,where i was able to set low pass slope,always ended up with 24db and the difference was exactly i am experiencing right now,with oppo player.

Maybe it can be 'fixed' in future with software update?Probably more people must demand it,which i really doubt.

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I couldnt find what slope is on oppo,but when its true that it has 12db,i am sure this is the problem i am experiencing.
Why would they use 12db slope,is beyond me.In low pass slope should be steeper,am i right?
In car audio nobody ever would use
12db for low fq.I had amps and preamps in my car,where i was able to set low pass slope,always ended up with 24db and the difference was exactly i am experiencing right now,with oppo player.

Maybe it can be 'fixed' in future with software update?Probably more people must demand it,which i really doubt.

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My sub has the option of a 12dB or 24dB slope. I use 12dB, but not in a normal way. Sounds good in MY room. You just have to play with it to see what sounds good in YOUR room.

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My sub has the option of a 12dB or 24dB slope. I use 12dB, but not in a normal way. Sounds good in MY room. You just have to play with it to see what sounds good in YOUR room.
I can not play with it,because oppo is not giving me any option
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I couldnt find what slope is on oppo,but when its true that it has 12db,i am sure this is the problem i am experiencing.
Why would they use 12db slope,is beyond me.In low pass slope should be steeper,am i right?
In car audio nobody ever would use
12db for low fq.I had amps and preamps in my car,where i was able to set low pass slope,always ended up with 24db and the difference was exactly i am experiencing right now,with oppo player.

Maybe it can be 'fixed' in future with software update?Probably more people must demand it,which i really doubt.

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You are talking about the slope of the Crossover, right? 12dB per octave is perfectly normal. You definitely do *NOT* want a brick wall filter -- i.e., a much higher slope -- as that leads to artifacts.

If you find you prefer a higher slope (as set in your other gear), that suggests either your main speakers are not really good down that low -- i.e., you should really be using a higher value for your Crossover frequency -- or you have room response problems with the bass output of your main speakers when they are allowed to output bass that low -- i.e., the physical location of the Sub is better for coupling those bass frequencies to the room than the physical location of the main speakers.

The only place where high slope filters are appropriate is for very low frequency bass protection. I.e., keeping your Sub from trying to reproduce bass, say, *BELOW* 16Hz. There 24dB/octave is not uncommon.

Are you still trying to use a 50Hz Crossover setting in the OPPO? I really don't recommend that.
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You are talking about the slope of the Crossover, right? 12dB per octave is perfectly normal. You definitely do *NOT* want a brick wall filter -- i.e., a much higher slope -- as that leads to artifacts.

If you find you prefer a higher slope (as set in your other gear), that suggests either your main speakers are not really good down that low -- i.e., you should really be using a higher value for your Crossover frequency -- or you have room response problems with the bass output of your main speakers when they are allowed to output bass that low -- i.e., the physical location of the Sub is better for coupling those bass frequencies to the room than the physical location of the main speakers.

The only place where high slope filters are appropriate is for very low frequency bass protection. I.e., keeping your Sub from trying to reproduce bass, say, *BELOW* 16Hz. There 24dB/octave is not uncommon.

Are you still trying to use a 50Hz Crossover setting in the OPPO? I really don't recommend that.
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Bob,i really appreciate your input..

No,iam not using 50hz anymore,altough it was as close as could get to prepro.


I wouldnt call 24db slope 'brick wall filter'its not like 48 or higher,..
With 24db slope,there is still some leakage of higher fq,so it should provide smooth blend with main speakers.


Is it very hard to include that option in software update,or is it hardware related?
Thanks

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Bob,i really appreciate your input..

No,iam not using 50hz anymore,altough it was as close as could get to prepro.


I wouldnt call 24db slope 'brick wall filter'its not like 48 or higher,..
With 24db slope,there is still some leakage of higher fq,so it should provide smooth blend with main speakers.


Is it very hard to include that option in software update,or is it hardware related?
Thanks

Mike
I'm' not privy to the implementation details, but it is likely it's adjustable, as it is done in the digital audio processing.

You can email OPPO Tech Support with your suggestion. They do take such stuff seriously.
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I'm' not privy to the implementation details, but it is likely it's adjustable, as it is done in the digital audio processing.

You can email OPPO Tech Support with your suggestion. They do take such stuff seriously.
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That would be great,if they included such feature..
But i am afraid,i am alone with such
an idea.

I will definitely contact them...

Your help is really appreciated,Bob..

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That would be great,if they included such feature..
But i am afraid,i am alone with such
an idea.

I will definitely contact them...
They've been known to implement ideas that the think have merit rather than relying on hundreds of people to make the same request.
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Ok guys...
Here is the reply from tech support
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Michael,

The DSP in the player was to be used at a single crossover point and at an optimal 12dB octave/slope. The ability to increase this to 24dB, as well as allow for multiple crossovers to compensate for different speaker sizes, is something that has been requested but not something that the player currently supports. This is likely not something that we can add through firmware.

Best Regards,

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Well, at least you got it right from Oppo, and now you know.
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I noticed the 105 hasn't been available for sale on the Oppo site this past week. I contacted Oppo and they replied "We will unfortunately not be looking to carry this model anymore, as we will only be selling the BDP-105D going forward as this model was outselling the BDP-105 to the extent that it no longer makes sense to continue to manufacture the BDP-105." Typical of Oppo they replied very quickly to my email. So it looks like the 105D might be my choice for my next player . I had thought about the Sony 5400ES but the prices are steep and with that no warranty. For me the 105D will be the best choice .

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I had thought about the Sony 5400ES but the prices are steep and with that no warranty. For me the 105D will be the best choice .
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I have both an Oppo BDP-105 and Sony 5400ES in my setup. They really aren't equivalent. The Sony does analog stereo and digital stereo or surround; it does no speaker management nor video processing or even video pass through, IIRC. The Sony is superb for DSD, and I used it mostly as an analog stereo source until I got the wild hair that I wanted DSD surround so added HDMI and coax to its output and a Cary Cinema 11a to accommodate the digital output. Before the Cary, the Oppo served as processor with stereo bypassed through a Parasound JC-2 BP preamp.

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Ok guys...
Here is the reply from tech support
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Michael,

The DSP in the player was to be used at a single crossover point and at an optimal 12dB octave/slope. The ability to increase this to 24dB, as well as allow for multiple crossovers to compensate for different speaker sizes, is something that has been requested but not something that the player currently supports. This is likely not something that we can add through firmware.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.

I got the same response when I wanted this feature in the 95, would've been nice
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I got the same response when I wanted this feature in the 95, would've been nice
Audiofan-why did you wanted?
Did you have the same experience as i have now,or you wanted multiple crossover fq?

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Got my 105D last night and replaced my BDP-83 with it in my system. Connected the wi-fi dongle and updated the firmware. Was pleasantly surprised when it saw my SqueezeServer on my Mac Mini and allowed me to access it. So far, I'm impressed... I mainly bought this to act as a music server and move me into the hi-res music files arena and have the intention of connecting a USB hard drive to it to play my 50K track music collection... I only spent about an hour or so messing around with it, but so far, I like it. :-)

I played around with the iPhone app too and that seemed like an easier method to find the music I wanted to play... I'm sure I'll have more questions down the road... I'm planning on using the XLR outputs to feed into my Anthem Statement D2 for 2 channel music listening and HDMI for everything else.

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Audiofan-why did you wanted?
Did you have the same experience as i have now,or you wanted multiple crossover fq?

Mike
Yes ! I was after multiple crossovers as I was wanting to hear the Sabre dac's without the need for additional processing. At the time I was using an Anthem AVM 20.v2 which couldn't process the newer codecs . I found that the Anthem with its ability to allow just about any crossover point under the sun to be better sounding than the benefits of the better dac's in the 95 with global crossovers and therefore used its Analog/DSP feature along with the 5.1 inputs. It wasn't such a big deal but its why I don't use the Oppo as a dedicated pre/pro but use my 105 for 2/ch and an Marantz 8801 for all my multi/ch. Should Oppo allow one day in a universal player or pre/pro ( wishing for this big time) I'm the first in line
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Hello I have a 105d and a Cary 11a with 1.4 upgrade. I just bought A Sony xbr 65 950b tv I'm having a tough time setting this combo up properly. Right now I'm using hdmi from Sony to Oppo set on arc and use that for Netflix 4k etc and analog for most else. Martin Logan 5.1 surround. However this configuration is overly complicated. Please help. This Sony 4k has me dizzy. My Samsung plasma was a much easier set up.
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Hello I have a 105d and a Cary 11a with 1.4 upgrade. I just bought A Sony xbr 65 950b tv I'm having a tough time setting this combo up properly. Right now I'm using hdmi from Sony to Oppo set on arc and use that for Netflix 4k etc and analog for most else. Martin Logan 5.1 surround. However this configuration is overly complicated. Please help. This Sony 4k has me dizzy. My Samsung plasma was a much easier set up.
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Hello I have a 105d and a Cary 11a with 1.4 upgrade. I just bought A Sony xbr 65 950b tv I'm having a tough time setting this combo up properly. Right now I'm using hdmi from Sony to Oppo set on arc and use that for Netflix 4k etc and analog for most else. Martin Logan 5.1 surround. However this configuration is overly complicated. Please help. This Sony 4k has me dizzy. My Samsung plasma was a much easier set up.
Thank you
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You might be better off using the OPPO to source streaming content such as Netflix, Vudu etc. The ARC on TVs are notoriously unreliable. Many of us use an optical connection from TV to the avr for apps sourced from the TV.
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Thank you. I used to do that but Oppo Netflix is not 4k capable and the Sony is. As well as Amazon prime
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If you want to I use the digital output from my tv to my oppo for Netflix because I was having issues with the arc I would get like a warble and what almost sounded like feedback ...only downside is for vudu 7.1 I'm not sure if you are getting all the channels over optical or coax
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Ok so if I use the Netflix app or vudu or CinemaNow on my 105D I can't get surround sound to work...vudu has 7.1 dolby and CinemaNow has Dts Netflix has 5.1 dolby but I only get 2 channels out of the multichannel outputs .
it kinda makes the apps useless
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^ Check your configuration again. Multi-channel Analog works with all of those apps on the 105D.

Check that you have the speakers enabled and that you don't have a stereo down mix set. For Netflix for example you also need to select the 5.1 track. Use Down Arrow while the program is playing to check what you have selected.

Make sure your AVR or preamp has the multi-channel Analog input selected.
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You might be better off using the OPPO to source streaming content such as Netflix, Vudu etc. The ARC on TVs are notoriously unreliable. Many of us use an optical connection from TV to the avr for apps sourced from the TV.
i ran an optical cable from my cable box to the 105 and got a 2 second delay in the picture.

Had to forget about it.

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Hi Bob the problems are the way way the Sony 4k interacts with the 105d. Even I had my Samsung plasma I could use hdmi on my Cary 11a or analog 7.1 or optical and or straight input 1 for music. Now this Sony overpriced thing hdd crippled the Oppo do you thing the new hdmi on the tv is not playing nice with the Oppo. I can only get stereo now with optical or hdmi or analog. Any suggestions. I'm at on 5.1 down mix to stereo out. Oppo tech suggested not to use front l/r. On my old 95 that was the proper setup but not on the 105d. Or the Sony is defective!
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Hi Bob the problems are the way way the Sony 4k interacts with the 105d. Even I had my Samsung plasma I could use hdmi on my Cary 11a or analog 7.1 or optical and or straight input 1 for music. Now this Sony overpriced thing hdd crippled the Oppo do you thing the new hdmi on the tv is not playing nice with the Oppo. I can only get stereo now with optical or hdmi or analog. Any suggestions. I'm at on 5.1 down mix to stereo out. Oppo tech suggested not to use front l/r. On my old 95 that was the proper setup but not on the 105d. Or the Sony is defective!
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I think that if you are using HDMI ARC, this is how it work, because the TV has only 2 speakers, it will only send back through ARC 2 channel.
My older Sony XBR8 was already doing this with SPDIF out, and I don't if with the newer tv there is an option to tell it to decode all the channels and send it back through ARC or SPDIF.
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Hi Bob the problems are the way way the Sony 4k interacts with the 105d. Even I had my Samsung plasma I could use hdmi on my Cary 11a or analog 7.1 or optical and or straight input 1 for music. Now this Sony overpriced thing hdd crippled the Oppo do you thing the new hdmi on the tv is not playing nice with the Oppo. I can only get stereo now with optical or hdmi or analog. Any suggestions. I'm at on 5.1 down mix to stereo out. Oppo tech suggested not to use front l/r. On my old 95 that was the proper setup but not on the 105d. Or the Sony is defective!
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I can't figure out what you are talking about. Try again.

ARC audio from the TV into the OPPO can be stereo LPCM or DD 2.0 or DD 5.1. It's up to the TV to decide what it wants to send back down that HDMI connection to the OPPO.

It sounds like you are saying your HDMI to the new TV is also screwing up audio when playing other content sources. If so, there is something screwed up in your configuration, but I've got no clue how you are trying to set things up.
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You have to go into the settings on the TV and change the sound to dolby digital or Dts ....you should see its set on either PCM or stereo....it's where you can apply Dts neo 2:5 ....you have to look into your sound settings on your tv...it should give you choices for what you want to send out
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