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post #12871 of 13191 Old 05-25-2015, 01:14 PM
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You mean 105 owners, doesn't have to be multiple models discussion.
Sure that will work best .

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With the current discussion of bass management and the possibility of signal distortion is it audible?
Pretty easy to hear IF you also happen to know what the undistorted version sounds like. Put on headphones and listen to the following two files on your computer.

80Hz sine at 0dBFS:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...80Hz-0dBFS.wav

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...z-%2B1dBFS.wav

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OPPO used to do that in the older players -- -15dB down regardless of whether Crossover was engaged.

They got enough push back, that they improved it for these players. Of course no additional attenuation is required if the Crossover is disabled.
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Don't follow. What kind of signal flow do you have in mind?

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Distortion is audible in "Interstellar."
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Pretty easy to hear IF you also happen to know what the undistorted version sounds like. Put on headphones and listen to the following two files on your computer.

80Hz sine at 0dBFS:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...80Hz-0dBFS.wav

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...z-%2B1dBFS.wav
Did you find this with your 105? I'll pass on playing the files. I don't listen to surround movies or music with headphones on. Do you have any music or movie titles that would exhibit this distortion.

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Distortion is audible in "Interstellar."
Thanks ! I'll check this when I rent it from Redbox. Any specific areas of the movie to listen for the distortion?

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Well that can't be it because if you play the 5.1 LPCM test track from AIX Audio Calibration Blu-ray using the multi-channel Analog outs, the LFE test is down -15dB with Crossover enabled (compared to the other speaker tests) and down -10dB without Crossover enabled. I.e., you need +5dB more Sub boost, as expected, with Crossover enabled. This is on the 10x players.
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OK. I really dont know what to make of it then, except to say that it sounds like there is room for improvement. Wonder if this is this a common short coming. Just ordered a RX-A2040 that was on sale. It shall be interesting to see if that does the same thing. Fingers crossed :-)
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Did you find this with your 105? I'll pass on playing the files. I don't listen to surround movies or music with headphones on. Do you have any music or movie titles that would exhibit this distortion.

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You don't need to "listen to surround movies or music with headphones on" You just need to listen to the two files I've posted. You're already sitting in front of a computer, no? Plug in headphones and play the two files.

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Pretty easy to hear IF you also happen to know what the undistorted version sounds like. Put on headphones and listen to the following two files on your computer.

80Hz sine at 0dBFS:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...80Hz-0dBFS.wav

80Hz sine driven into distortion by only 1dB:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...z-%2B1dBFS.wav
Marcus - respect your knowledge and propensity to dig, but how about something we would normally listen to, I don't listen to test files. Igor managed to suggest a few disks on the issue with the XMC-1 that demonstrated the bug he found. It would be nice to have a few here, it's not difficult to design a test signal that a/v devices will not handle correctly.

I don't see owners posting about this issue when playing actual content, I use analog outs for 2-channel and haven't heard it on anything I've played since buying one via early invite from Oppo. My collection of hi-res music isn't comparable to Bill's, but not too shabby either. Thanks. Steve
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I'll check this when I rent it from Redbox. Any specific areas of the movie to listen for the distortion?

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Such a "test" is nonsense because you have nothing to compare to. You would need to have access to the undistorted version of the movie and listen to it A/B.

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it's not difficult to design a test signal that a/v devices will not handle correctly.
Actually it is IMPOSSIBLE to design a test signal that would drive the output of bass management into clipping IF summing is properly implemented.

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OPPO is probably waiting to see what the next format will be before making the next new models.....
Yes they told me December 2016 or January 21017
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You don't need to "listen to surround movies or music with headphones on" You just need to listen to the two files I've posted. You're already sitting in front of a computer, no? Plug in headphones and play the two files.
No offense but you just don't seem to get it do you . I have no interest in listening to "files" on my computer with headphones. I would like to hear the issue with my 105 using material I listen to in the way I listen to it. Is that so hard to grasp? I'm not the only AVS member that has told you they don't listen to "files" either.

It is quite apparent that you don't own the 105 by your refusal to answer my question if you in fact own one. So why do you care if the 105 has this issue if you don't own one? It seems your issue is with Oppo so why don't you contact them instead of bogging down multiple Oppo threads. But I guess that could be an problem as Oppo will ask you what the issue is with your 105 and you'll have to say "well I really don't own the 105.......... That would be a bit awkward for you .

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Pretty easy to hear IF you also happen to know what the undistorted version sounds like. Put on headphones and listen to the following two files on your computer.

80Hz sine at 0dBFS:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...80Hz-0dBFS.wav

80Hz sine driven into distortion by only 1dB:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...z-%2B1dBFS.wav
Did you find this with your 105? I'll pass on playing the files. I don't listen to surround movies or music with headphones on. Do you have any music or movie titles that would exhibit this distortion.

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Distortion is audible in "Interstellar."
Thanks ! I'll check this when I rent it from Redbox. Any specific areas of the movie to listen for the distortion?

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At anytime the LFE channel gets loud. Like the rocket launching. The bass sounds very bad through the sub.
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Arrow 'Interstellar' on Blu-ray

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Any specific areas of the movie to listen for the distortion?

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If you want to hear from real life movie watching/listening on Blu-ray:

The first "dream" sequence @ the beginning, and also the rocket launch sequence, and also the going through the wormhole sequence, and going through Gargantua, and the big wave....

* Set your Oppo 105's bass management so that all your speakers are selected as SMALL. ...Turn the master volume just below reference level; @ reference level you might damage your subwoofer(s). ...And yes, it's the multichannel analog connections that you are using here; that's what the internal bass management in the Oppo 105 is for. ...Not from the digital HDMI connection (or Coax or Opt.).

Strap yourself real good, and listen to your sub(s).

♦ But as Markus just mentioned above you can also verify much easily; his suggestion is the best...most efficient and simple...for confirmation.

P.S. I am not taking responsibility if you damage your sub(s). ...You asked a question, I just gave you an answer; so proceed @ your own risk.
And by the way, 'Interstellar' is not the only Blu-ray title that you will get sub channel clipping issue from; there are many many more titles...movies and music too. ...Any BR movie titles and music recordings (SACD multichannel, etc.) with prominent bass would do.

Best of luck.

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No offense but you just don't seem to get it do you . I have no interest in listening to "files" on my computer with headphones.
You obvisouly don't know what it sounds like when a digital signal is driven to levels above 0dBFS. I just offered you an easy way to find out for yourself. "You can lead a horse to water ..."

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I would like to hear the issue with my 105 using material I listen to in the way I listen to it. Is that so hard to grasp?
I understand that very well but you don't seem to understand the simple notion that you can't compare A to B if B is missing. Such a test is nonsensical.

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I'm not the only AVS member that has told you they don't listen to "files" either.
I'm well aware of the annoying logical fallacy behind such statements.

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I'll check this when I rent it from Redbox. Any specific areas of the movie to listen for the distortion?

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Such a "test" is nonsense because you have nothing to compare to. You would need to have access to the undistorted version of the movie and listen to it A/B.
Distorted sound isn't clean and precise. Don't need an o'scope to realize it. A good ear, maybe.
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At anytime the LFE channel gets loud. Like the rocket launching. The bass sounds very bad through the sub.
That ^
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I agree with markus. If you have poor equipment, distortion won't be audible.
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Distorted sound isn't clean and precise. Don't need an o'scope to realize it. A good ear, maybe.
Without knowledge of the undistorted original there's just no way to make such an assessment. Listen to a recording with an electric guitar. Is it the distortion of the electric guitar you like or the distortion of your equipment on top of the already distorted guitar sound?
Using measurements and test signals is just so much easier and precise. For others it's obviously more like a red rag to a bull.

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Are any multi-channel SACD, DVD-Audio or downloadable .flac or .dsd files affected by this? Most multi-channel music I own doesn't have an LFE channel so I suspect there may be few, if any, music cases but maybe someone knows of some specific examples. I would only use analog audio with subs for music, otherwise I use my AVR for movies.

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Without knowledge of the undistorted original there's just no way to make such an assessment. Listen to a recording with an electric guitar. Is it the distortion of the electric guitar you like or the distortion of your equipment on top of the already distorted guitar sound?
Using measurements and test signals is just so much easier and precise. For others it's obviously more like a red rag to a bull.
Is the above post related to the Oppo 105 in any way? I would suggest you start a specific thread for this issue as the Mods have already requested. It really is bogging down this thread IMO. "Red rag to a bull"? More like beating a dead horse.

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Distorted sound isn't clean and precise. Don't need an o'scope to realize it. A good ear, maybe.
Without knowledge of the undistorted original there's just no way to make such an assessment. Listen to a recording with an electric guitar. Is it the distortion of the electric guitar you like or the distortion of your equipment on top of the already distorted guitar sound?
Using measurements and test signals is just so much easier and precise. For others it's obviously more like a red rag to a bull.
Does one have to see and hear a rocket launch in person for that person to hear a distorted playback of a rocket launch on a HT? I think not. And to respect dead horses everywhere, if you don't get it by now, you won't. Out.
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Actually it is IMPOSSIBLE to design a test signal that would drive the output of bass management into clipping IF summing is properly implemented.
Thanks for the typical Marcus response - is respect just a one way thing for you? I could understand without the caps and have no trouble with Bill regarding his headphone use. Personally within the last year I just started down the headphone path as well as buying an HA-2, should have never started, expensive path. HA-1 may be coming unless I quit reading this forum.

So who normally uses analog outs for movies? Still interested in a music file that would create the issue though.
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may I suggest a separate thread for bass management discussions? in the Audio Theory Forum...http://www.avsforum.com/forum/91-aud...ry-setup-chat/

and that we move on please

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Tivo Romao OTA and 105

Hoping this issue hasn't been posted:

Picked up an OTA Tivo and cannot receive picture and sound simultaneously. Tivo HDMI to both 105's front and back inputs does not have sound. When I try Digital audio, there is sound but no picture. I troubleshot with an HDMI direct to LG display and it worked fine.

Frustrating as I have a DTV that works fine through the 105 via HDMI.

Suggestions?

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Hoping this issue hasn't been posted:

Picked up an OTA Tivo and cannot receive picture and sound simultaneously. Tivo HDMI to both 105's front and back inputs does not have sound. When I try Digital audio, there is sound but no picture. I troubleshot with an HDMI direct to LG display and it worked fine.

Frustrating as I have a DTV that works fine through the 105 via HDMI.

Suggestions?

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Did you select the appropriate HDMI input (source) in your Oppo 105 Blu-ray player?
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Thanks for responding Mongo and Northsky

Yes to both: Selected HDMI front and HDMI setting : Split/AV

No sound. Its a mystery because my DirecTV works fine through HDMI.
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oops-- let me clarify : Selected HDMI BACK ..and Split AV
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