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technically HDMI has the highest sample rate capacity
I know that HDMI has the highest sample rate (that is why it can pass DTS HD MA). I think you misunderstood my question.
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Everything being equal (DAC, Amp, sample rate, ...) HDMI and S/PDIF can pass two channel CD quality 16bit/44.1 uncompressed (.WAV). Is one better than the other or both are the same (HDMI/SPDIF) as far as two channel CD quality is concerned?


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As long as we are only talking 2 channel CD........... I reckon S/PDIF is a better way to go.

Personally I prefer coax over optical but I'm pretty sure that either will have less jitter than HDMI and thus better SQ.

As a bonus you get a nicer connection as the HDMI connector is quite ordinary IMHO.

A while ago I actually hooked up a spare coax cable (Tara Labs Prism D2) to test against my HDMI cable (Chord Active) whilst playing a DTS DVD.

Switched between them on the fly and preferred the sound of the coax!!!

Of course with BD you have no choice.........but I would STILL take lossless streamed over HDMI any day!!


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As long as we are only talking 2 channel CD........... I reckon S/PDIF is a better way to go.

Personally I prefer coax over Optical but I'm pretty sure that either will have less jitter than HDMI and thus better SQ.

As a bonus you get a nicer connection as the HDMI connector is quite ordinary IMHO.


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Hi linger,


Thanks for the reply and answering my question. I'd like to use my PC for audio/video together (two channel cd quality only).


Can I use Oppo's S/PDIF input for the PC audio and send the PC video directly to my TV (using the video card HDMI) or do I need to assign a video input in Oppo along with the audio?


Basically, Can I use Oppo for decoding audio only, without assigning a video input?

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Hi linger,


Thanks for the reply. I'd like to use the PC for audio and video together.


Can I use Oppo's S/PDIF input for the PC audio and send the PC video directly to my TV (using the video card HDMI) or do I need to assign a video input in Oppo?


Basically, Can I use Oppo for decoding audio only, without assigning a video input?



Sharok,


Sorry mate......not really up with the PC side of the OPPO's abilities.
I think you could but what about synching issues?
Does the asynchronous DAC help you at all?




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Sorry mate......not really up with the PC side of the OPPO's abilities.
I think you could but what about synching issues?
Does the asynchronous DAC help you at all?




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With asynch DAC I cannot apply bass management to the two channel stereo (no 2.1).
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Hi linger,


Thanks for the reply and answering my question. I'd like to use my PC for audio/video together (two channel cd quality only).


Can I use Oppo's S/PDIF input for the PC audio and send the PC video directly to my TV (using the video card HDMI) or do I need to assign a video input in Oppo along with the audio?


Basically, Can I use Oppo for decoding audio only, without assigning a video input?
Yes. The Optical and COAX S/PDIF inputs are audio only.

I think you are making this too tough for yourself. HDMI audio should be every bit as good as S/PDIF audio for this purpose. Presuming the audio and video formats coming out of your PC are the type the OPPO can handle, I suggest you run HDMI from the PC to the OPPO and HDMI from the OPPO to your Display for video.
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Yes. The Optical and COAX S/PDIF inputs are audio only.

I think you are making this too tough for yourself. HDMI audio should be every bit as good as S/PDIF audio for this purpose. Presuming the audio and video formats coming out of your PC are the type the OPPO can handle, I suggest you run HDMI from the PC to the OPPO and HDMI from the OPPO to your Display for video.
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Hi Sharok,


Bob is the main man around here!!!!!

If I had to choose between his advice and mine.........I'd choose his!!


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For the XMC-1 sans Dirac Live. ...Just an approximation.
The MSRP of the XMC-1 is $2499 but is on sale now with 10% off for $2249.10. So unless one has a 40% card you will not get any where near $1500.

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Hi Sharok,


Bob is the main man around here!!!!!

If I had to choose between his advice and mine.........I'd choose his!!


Cheers

Many thanks Bob and linger.
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Everything being equal (DAC, Amp, sample rate, ...) HDMI and S/PDIF can pass two channel CD quality 16bit/44.1 uncompressed (.WAV). Is one better than the other or both are the same (HDMI/SPDIF) as far as two channel CD quality is concerned?
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You have a hose large enough to carry 5 gallons per minute.
You have another hose large enough to carry 10 gallons per minute.
You need to put ONE gallon per minute through.

All other things (price, etc.) being equal, which is the "better" hose?


A: Both hoses will work just fine and will give you a "bit-perfect" copy of that 1 gallon per minute at the receiving end. There is no "better" in this case - at least not from an audio quality standpoint. From a convenience and complexity standpoint, if you are already using and HDMI connection to your receiver for something else...
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Unhappy More Bad News for the OPPO's...

On top of the existing problem with the OPPO's clipping strong re-directed bass content, I've found new evidence that the OPPO players clip an LFE track by itself with no re-directed bass added to it if you go past 0dB on the sub trim.

Here is the OPPO taking a LFE signal that is recorded at -0.1dBFS by itself with no re-directed bass added to it. It can play the tone clean at 0dB on the sub trim setting but as soon as you adjust the level upward, it starts clipping the signal hard.


That means if you take the already clipped LFE with re-directed bass signal and then adjust your sub level up at all it will make the clipping that much worse:


And for the OPPO fanboys out there who claim that this doesn't affect real world content on the disc, here is a scene from a recent movie "Earth to Echo" which shows how much worse this can make the already clipped signal from the re-directed bass problem:


This problem makes it even more inconvenient owning one of these players as you have to get up and adjust the amp gain manually to increase the level of your subwoofer because if you go past 0dB, it digitally clips strong LFE content. This problem also happens at ANY master volume level.

This problem happens for the 103D as well.

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his advice relates to around 5% of users at best.
I doubt that is accurate but even if it were, should that 5% not be allowed to find the information at AVS in the thread FOR the model of player that they have? Wouldn't that be biased censorship?
And don't say " oh but he's being technical" how is "fanboy" technical???
If I apologize for saying that will you calm down please? Fanboy isn't that outrageous of a word IMO.

By the way he has been doing this several times over the last couple of months
OK, you're going to have to prove that because it simply isn't true.

get his garbage off here or at least in the stupid "disappointed in oppo" thread
It's not garbage, it's important information that concerns anyone with this player.
Calm down buddy.
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It's not garbage, it's important information that concerns anyone with this player.
Calm down buddy.

Hi Shreds,

Of course you are 100% correct.
I have deleted my earlier Posts.
I inexplicably lost the plot back there and hope you accept my sincere apologies

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Maybe because one of them was linked to mine.

If it's any consolation I got your post via Email BEFORE a Moderator deleted us.

And I agree with ALL your comments and apologise for my earlier rant.
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The MSRP of the XMC-1 is $2499 but is on sale now with 10% off for $2249.10. So unless one has a 40% card you will not get any where near $1500.

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Nevermind Bill; I was simply referring to a XMC-1 "without Dirac Live", a simple presumption, a very rough approximation.
Besides it is off topic, particularly here, and I agree with the members of this thread; it's a general good philosophy, but not written on stone tablets.

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...And on new discoveries (for most of us), and also on the reactions it creates in the minds of few folks.
It's like some of us we're not here to learn but to protect what we think we own.

Well, Bob is here to learn, and teach too. ...And Shreds is bringing new stuff, ...very nice guy too. ...He mentioned HDMI outputs...that got my attention...big time.

There must be technical engineers around who measure electronics with tools and report their findings, for a living?
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Thanks for the tip. The posts weren't a big deal, I was just curious.

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Maybe because one of them was linked to mine.

If it's any consolation I got your post via Email BEFORE a Moderator deleted us.

And I agree with ALL your comments and apologise for my earlier rant.
Not a problem and no need to apologize. You were a big enough man to post what you posted earlier so it's all good .

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Please stick to the technical issues of the 105. There have been no posts deleted by moderators or admins. Question? Please PM me or one of the other mods.

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Regarding the most recent Clipped Analog Audio Output report by Shreds above, I've posted additional information in the 105D thread:

Official OPPO BDP-105D Owner's Thread

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I am on a mac so I have been using the plex media server to stream my backed up bluerays over my network to the oppo. Everything has been great except for the fact that I don't see any subtitles, even forced subtitles? All of my blurays have been backed up using make mkv with the forced subtitles checked, and I have made sure that subtitles are turned on in the oppo. Anyone have any ideas?

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Dear owners of Oppo 105
Has anyone had a chance to compare the picture quality between Oppo 105 (which is with Marvell QDEO Kyoto-G2H video procesor) and Oppo 105 D with Darbee OFF - when picture is ONLY processed through Silicon Image VRS ClearView


Is it true that Oppo 105 picture quality is better than that of 105D (while Darbee is OFF) with Silicon Image VRS ClearView ?


I will be grateful for any comment.


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Dear owners of Oppo 105
Has anyone had a chance to compare the picture quality between Oppo 105 (which is with Marvell QDEO Kyoto-G2H video procesor) and Oppo 105 D with Darbee OFF - when picture is ONLY processed through Silicon Image VRS ClearView


Is it true that Oppo 105 picture quality is better than that of 105D (while Darbee is OFF) with Silicon Image VRS ClearView ?


I will be grateful for any comment.


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I have not.

Nor have I spent much time using my 105D with video (mostly music) but I can say that without the Darbee engaged, the 105D's picture quality was a nice improvement over my $9k Esoteric unit.

Engaging the Darbee, the picture quality improved quite a bit.

So much so that I see no reason why I wouldn't always want Darbee engaged. In which case your original question and any subsequent responses would be somewhat of a moot point to me based on my limited experience and views of the 105D with Darbee.

Hope that helps a bit.
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Any timeline about when Tidal update will be added to OPPO?

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Just purchased a 105 from Magnolia Design Center, should have it in about a week. This will be going in my new 2ch stereo set-up. I plan on connecting my laptop using the USB input on the 105. looking forward to hearing my SACD's as well.

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