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So, if the cable station, say showtime, is sending dolby digital 5.1 signal to Oppo through hdmi cable, (or watch a blu ray on the Oppo,) do I need to have DTS NEO turned on to listen to 5.1?

Also, if DTS NEO is only processing on the Oppo, does the Oppo not process Dolby Digital?

Sorry for all the questions, just no sure how this works.

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No, in fact it is BETTER to turn Neo:6 OFF.

Set your cable box to output Bitstream on HDMI -- may be called Dolby or Dolby Digital. Otherwise it will likely only output stereo even if the channel has 5.1.

Neo:6 is the only "surround sound" processing in the player. That means raising fewer content channels (stereo) to more output channels (5.1).

The player handles all the multi-channel audio formats such as Dolby Digital. But that's not surround processing. For example, it won't take DD 5.1 content and expand that to 7.1 channel output.
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No, in fact it is BETTER to turn Neo:6 OFF.

Set your cable box to output Bitstream on HDMI -- may be called Dolby or Dolby Digital. Otherwise it will likely only output stereo even if the channel has 5.1.

Neo:6 is the only "surround sound" processing in the player. That means raising fewer content channels (stereo) to more output channels (5.1).

The player handles all the multi-channel audio formats such as Dolby Digital. But that's not surround processing. For example, it won't take DD 5.1 content and expand that to 7.1 channel output.
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I see, now I think I understand. So the only time I would need DTS NEO is when the movie or show that is playing on cable is in stereo, and not in dolby digital.

Is this right?

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^ If you want to raise it to 5.1 channel output on the Analog audio outs, yes.
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The new, 4.0.1 version of the iOS MediaControl app has started to appear in Apple's App Store.

It may take a bit longer for it to migrate to all of their servers.
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Fw update Europe

Not yet on the UK (European) website, but available on the internet: the recent Fw-update (already installed).
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The 1031 Firmware for EU Customers is Now Available on the OPPO UK Web Site

http://www.oppodigital.co.uk/custome...103d-105d.aspx

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The new, 4.0.1 version of the iOS MediaControl app has started to appear in Apple's App Store.

It may take a bit longer for it to migrate to all of their servers.
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The update seems to have corrected the problem of the "albums" not loading.


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Odd -- in Tidal Music, the selection in the Media Control App (4.01) is substantially less then
my browser subscription. Wonder if thats an Oppo/Tidal rights issue.

Another nice to have would be the capability to assemble playlist on on the thumb drive directly from Media Control App.
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OK folks, I am going to ask some ignorance questions here so be gentle.
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I am sold on Tidal as I am a junkie for better sound from a streaming service anywhere I can find it. So here goes the questions. I have oppo 105d and a Marantz 7702 pre-amp what is the best was to achieve the highest resolution sound? Can I simply download the app on my i-pad and stream via bluetooth connection on my Marantz? Am I better off doing to firmware update on my 105D and get the OPPO app on my i-pad? Also can you stream via HDMI from my OPPO or do you have to use a toslink connection for that? Are people happy with the Tidal that works in conjunction with the 105D or is it too early to tell.

Thanks everyone for the help.
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Hello folks,

I want to buy a preamp for my 5.1 active speakers. My choice is between oppo 105d and Nuforce avp-18. Both cost the same where I live. Do you guys know if there will be a difference in sound quality between these two?
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I want to buy a preamp for my 5.1 active speakers. My choice is between oppo 105d and Nuforce avp-18. Both cost the same where I live. Do you guys know if there will be a difference in sound quality between these two?
An oppo 105d is not a preamp and definitely not a surround processor. But you get a great blu-ray player that can do some volume control. The analog section is great.
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An oppo 105d is not a preamp and definitely not a surround processor. But you get a great blu-ray player that can do some volume control. The analog section is great.
Ehh....how do you mean now?

the Oppo 105 is one of the best preamps out there! period.

Have you ever looked at the measurements of the preamp section of the 105?
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Ehh....how do you mean now?

the Oppo 105 is one of the best preamps out there! period.

Have you ever looked at the measurements of the preamp section of the 105?
A preamp for me need to have the following (the most important first):
- volume control
- balance control (volume control for lf, rf, center, sub, rr, rl, ...)
- output buffering meaning isolate the load from the amplifier from the input source.
- digital input source switching
- analog input source switching
- dac (audio any digital format to analog)
- room correction (audissey, arc, ...) you want to do in the digital domain.
- balanced output for all outputs (not just lf, rf).

So yes the oppo105 can do some of those and you can always try the oppo alone to see if it fits your need knowing its limitation.
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A preamp for me need to have the following (the most important first):
- volume control
- balance control (volume control for lf, rf, center, sub, rr, rl, ...)
- output buffering meaning isolate the load from the amplifier from the input source.
- digital input source switching
- analog input source switching
- dac (audio any digital format to analog)
- room correction (audissey, arc, ...) you want to do in the digital domain.
- balanced output for all outputs (not just lf, rf).

So yes the oppo105 can do some of those and you can always try the oppo alone to see if it fits your need knowing its limitation.
The items in your list describe a preamp/processor, not just a preamp and even then you're describing a subset of those. As long as one doesn't have other analog sources and doesn't want/need room correction, the BDP-105 can serve quite well as a multichannel preamp. By your definition there are quite a few products that are actually sold as preamps that wouldn't qualify (the Bryston SP-3 doesn't have room correction, for example).

The Oppo doesn't have analog inputs, room correction, or balanced outputs for all channels, but none of that precludes it from being used as a preamp if it satisfies a particular user's needs. At best, your initial comment is very misleading to the person who asked the question.
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The items in your list describe a preamp/processor, not just a preamp and even then you're describing a subset of those. As long as one doesn't have other analog sources and doesn't want/need room correction, the BDP-105 can serve quite well as a multichannel preamp. By your definition there are quite a few products that are actually sold as preamps that wouldn't qualify (the Bryston SP-3 doesn't have room correction, for example).

The Oppo doesn't have analog inputs, room correction, or balanced outputs for all channels, but none of that precludes it from being used as a preamp if it satisfies a particular user's needs. At best, your initial comment is very misleading to the person who asked the question.
The person that asked the question put "Nuforce avp-1" as an option, so if he looking for full fledged avr the oppo may not be for him.
I am just pointing the oppo105 limitation so if you can live with them then you can plug your oppo directly to the active speakers (he said he had 5.1 active speakers).
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The person that asked the question put "Nuforce avp-1" as an option, so if he looking for full fledged avr the oppo may not be for him.
I am just pointing the oppo105 limitation so if you can live with them then you can plug your oppo directly to the active speakers (he said he had 5.1 active speakers).
The Nuforce AVP-18 also wouldn't meet your qualifications. No analog inputs, no balanced outputs...
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My 105 has done an outstanding job as a preamp. Simplicity at its best.
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My 105 has done an outstanding job as a preamp. Simplicity at its best.
Ditto on that.
The day I decided to start using the 105D as player/preamp, I really didn't think I would have kept it that way for years.
My setup used to be much more complicated... I was always trying to figure out what I could add to my setup to make it better.
Then one day I just decided to try the more simple route, and since my media room has great audio performance on it's own with
proper sound treatments and what not, I didn't really NEED most of the features that the stand alone pre-amp/processors offer.
So with the great analog sound for the 105 going directly to some power amps combined with high quality speakers and room acoustics,
once I heard the sound with that setup, I've had no desire whatsoever to return to the more complicated setup.
Yes the Oppo players are limited on the the features they offer when using it as a pre-amp,
but as long as it fits your particular needs, it works really well in that role.
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Ditto on that.
The day I decided to start using the 105D as player/preamp, I really didn't think I would have kept it that way for years.
My setup used to be much more complicated... I was always trying to figure out what I could add to my setup to make it better.
I've actually just started using my humble 103EU as a multi-channel pre-amp. I wish I had done it a couple of years ago

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I am connecting my Oppo 105 as transport connectiong it to a Dac through a coax cable.
In the menu when should Bitstream be used and when is LPCM 192 the best option?
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Bitstream or LPCM?

I am using my Oppo 105 as transport connecting it to a Dac through a coax cable.
In the menu when should Bitstream be used and when is LPCM 192 the best option?
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I am using my Oppo 105 as transport connecting it to a Dac through a coax cable.
In the menu when should Bitstream be used and when is LPCM 192 the best option?
If your DAC can decode DTS and Dolby Digital, then use Bitstream,
If the DAC can decode only LPCM, choose the highest LPCM rate that is supported by the DAC.


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Thank you Rich.
I am using an Analog Dac from MSB so 192 should be ok.
Could you walk me through what happens when a dac like mine is fed bitstream data, and why it is a poorer option?
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Why are you using the 105 only as a transport? You really wasted your money (you could have gone with the 103 for a lot less for that purpose).
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Thank you Rich.
I am using an Analog Dac from MSB so 192 should be ok.
Could you walk me through what happens when a dac like mine is fed bitstream data, and why it is a poorer option?

Bitstream does not decode sound formats DTS and DD and passes them through unchanged.
Your MSB DAC probably does not decode these formats, so there would either be no sound or some awful.
LPCM is the only option.


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I am using an Analog Dac from MSB so 192 should be ok.
Could you walk me through what happens when a dac like mine is fed bitstream data, and why it is a poorer option?
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Why are you using the 105 only as a transport? You really wasted your money (you could have gone with the 103 for a lot less for that purpose).
I agree with BillP. There's nothing to gain buying the 105 and use it as a digital transport that the 103 cannot do for you. Unless you are going to use the 105's analog outputs, the 103 would have been a better choice of transport. I see your MSB DAC can receive and decode up to quad rate DSD, but you won't be able to send DSD thru the Oppo's coax output. It doesn't support that, so you'll need your Oppo player to convert DSD audio to LPCM, since your MSB DAC doesn't support an hdmi interface.

I imagine buying an over $10K dac including options, you are very critical of your audio tastes.

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I started out with the Oppo 105 as my cd-player using its analog output with great result.
But over the years as the system has grown I decided to find out if there was improvement to be had if I changed the dac.
So I borrowed a PS Audio DSD and the MSB Analog Dac and ran them side by side with the Oppo.
To my ears the Analog Dac was superior, especially in combination with its dedicated Analog Power Base.
Thats the reason I have the 105 and not the 103.
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Do the multiple inputs have individual A/V sync settings?

I've found that the delay required to sync up audio/video from my DISH satellite receiver is much greater than that needed for content coming directly off a Blu-ray disc.

Also, does anyone have a good way to achieve sync from other sources? The Disney WOW disc has a great A/V sync test but obviously DISH doesn't broadcast such things and I'm rather bad at trying to do it by eye/ear.
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Do the multiple inputs have individual A/V sync settings?

I've found that the delay required to sync up audio/video from my DISH satellite receiver is much greater than that needed for content coming directly off a Blu-ray disc.

Also, does anyone have a good way to achieve sync from other sources? The Disney WOW disc has a great A/V sync test but obviously DISH doesn't broadcast such things and I'm rather bad at trying to do it by eye/ear.
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