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MacinMan's Avatar MacinMan 06:53 AM 09-02-2013
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

The problem is that most BD's have the extra BD Java encryption layer. That takes control away from the player, making AB repeat useless.

OK, BD Java I can understand, however BD players are backward compatible with DVDs so it doesn't really make sense to remove DVD specific features that can be had for less on a stand alone DVD player. Maybe I'm missing the point I'm just someone who doesn't like to settle for less then what's possible and it seems to me keeping features that are DVD specific isn't too much to ask for full backward compatibility. Since I'm not in a place to author a blu-ray disc I have no real understand behind their structure and authoring process except from a playback point of view.

cminer72's Avatar cminer72 09:25 AM 09-02-2013
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that's not normal, i currently have a blu-ray in the tray and watching netflix without issue Mind you this is on a 590, but i could try it on my 3100 as i didn't keep the 5100 as i didn't need the extra features it offered. I can't test 3D as i don't have a 3D setup. Every player i've had though has not had a problem with having a disc in tray while streaming.
Yeah, I've watch netflix with 2D discs in the tray with no problem so far. Just 3D discs cause the problem at this point. Easy to avoid.
cminer72's Avatar cminer72 10:06 AM 09-02-2013
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Yeah, I've watch netflix with 2D discs in the tray with no problem so far. Just 3D discs cause the problem at this point. Easy to avoid.
I just loaded a 2D movie now, and netflix works fine. Switched back to 3D disc and netflix locks up. So it is defiantly caused by 3D discs in the tray while streaming.
MacinMan's Avatar MacinMan 10:14 AM 09-02-2013
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I just loaded a 2D movie now, and netflix works fine. Switched back to 3D disc and netflix locks up. So it is defiantly caused by 3D discs in the tray while streaming.

I have the TRON Legacy 3D disc, while I don't have a 3D TV, I wonder if it would be enough to trip up netflix as a test. Or Would I need a working 3D setup to trigger the freeze? I'll give it a try just to have another person's feedback on the same issue.

When TRON came out i got the five disc set 3d/2d/tron classic/DVD and digital copy.
mijotter's Avatar mijotter 03:07 PM 09-02-2013
So can the 5100 decode Dolby HD and DTS-HD sound for 5.1 or 7.1?
mijotter's Avatar mijotter 07:13 PM 09-02-2013
anyone?
Foxbat121's Avatar Foxbat121 07:26 PM 09-02-2013
ALL modern BD players can decode them.
kinyocase's Avatar kinyocase 07:53 PM 09-02-2013
I've just spent the last few hours reading through all 46 pages of this, and didn't see anything related to my issues. I just purchased the BDP-s5100 for the 2d to 3d conversion for my daughter. However when paired with my Vizio E3D420vx the conversion is incredibly jumpy from left to right. I've already fixed the flickering issue I was having by setting the color scale to 4.2.2, but this jumpy issue is just killing me. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I did read on another forum about a different bd player that they had to set it to side by side in order for it to work with this tv. However I couldn't find a way to set this player to side by side. Either I'm just missing it in the manual or it's not possible.
mijotter's Avatar mijotter 08:33 PM 09-02-2013
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ALL modern BD players can decode them.

Well does it decode it internally or do you have to LPCM it to the receiver so the AVR can decode it?
eah9's Avatar eah9 08:47 PM 09-02-2013
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Well does it decode it internally or do you have to LPCM it to the receiver so the AVR can decode it?

it's on the sony site under specifications for the 5100


AV Sync : Yes
Dolby® : Dolby True HD decoding (2Ch)
dts : DTS-HD Master Audio decoding (MA)
mijotter's Avatar mijotter 08:53 PM 09-02-2013
I read that but I think it only means for 2channel and not multi channel like a 5.1 or 7.1 right?
eah9's Avatar eah9 09:05 PM 09-02-2013
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I read that but I think it only means for 2channel and not multi channel like a 5.1 or 7.1 right?


I think it means up to dts hd ma which includes 7.1 it can do all others too. I have an avr so have never tried it without one.
aaronwt's Avatar aaronwt 09:06 PM 09-02-2013
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Originally Posted by kinyocase View Post

I've just spent the last few hours reading through all 46 pages of this, and didn't see anything related to my issues. I just purchased the BDP-s5100 for the 2d to 3d conversion for my daughter. However when paired with my Vizio E3D420vx the conversion is incredibly jumpy from left to right. I've already fixed the flickering issue I was having by setting the color scale to 4.2.2, but this jumpy issue is just killing me. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I did read on another forum about a different bd player that they had to set it to side by side in order for it to work with this tv. However I couldn't find a way to set this player to side by side. Either I'm just missing it in the manual or it's not possible.

Doesn't your TV also do 2D to 3D conversion?
mijotter's Avatar mijotter 09:18 PM 09-02-2013
How do you have it setup with your AVR? Meaning, do you have it set in the bluray player to bitstream or LPCM the audio to your AVR so that IT can decode it?
eah9's Avatar eah9 09:20 PM 09-02-2013
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How do you have it setup with your AVR? Meaning, do you have it set in the bluray player to bitstream or LPCM the audio to your AVR so that IT can decode it?


I have it bitstream on the 5100 to my avr - sony str-dn1030.
mijotter's Avatar mijotter 09:22 PM 09-02-2013
Good. Have you noticed any issues with the 5100 being to do that correctly?
eah9's Avatar eah9 09:29 PM 09-02-2013
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Good. Have you noticed any issues with the 5100 being to do that correctly?

none. I also have the 3100 and haven't had any issues. I am really happy with my setup and don't even have upgraditis now that I got the benq w1070 pj to complete it all. 3d is spectacular with the 5100 imho and benqw1070 combo.
kinyocase's Avatar kinyocase 10:32 PM 09-02-2013
No unfortunately my TV does not do the 2D to 3D conversion.
cminer72's Avatar cminer72 11:17 PM 09-02-2013
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

I have the TRON Legacy 3D disc, while I don't have a 3D TV, I wonder if it would be enough to trip up netflix as a test. Or Would I need a working 3D setup to trigger the freeze? I'll give it a try just to have another person's feedback on the same issue.

When TRON came out i got the five disc set 3d/2d/tron classic/DVD and digital copy.
Out of curiosity, and OCD, I exchanged players and got the same results. It is a firmware issue. I passed it on to Sony and got a canned response having nothing to do with what I contacted them about, other than a cut and paste of my topic. Who knows if they'll fix it.
cminer72's Avatar cminer72 11:48 PM 09-02-2013
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Out of curiosity, and OCD, I exchanged players and got the same results. It is a firmware issue. I passed it on to Sony and got a canned response having nothing to do with what I contacted them about, other than a cut and paste of my topic. Who knows if they'll fix it.
Actually, it's the 3D signal causing it. I took the disc out and it still freezes if I don't turn it off before watching netflix.
Foxbat121's Avatar Foxbat121 06:36 AM 09-03-2013
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Well does it decode it internally or do you have to LPCM it to the receiver so the AVR can decode it?
all BD players on the market today fully decodes every BD HD audio codec to up LPCM 7.1. No exceptions.
MiamiV's Avatar MiamiV 06:53 AM 09-03-2013
Is anyone using SEN (Sony Entertainment Network) successfully?

When I try to use the Weather channel or AP apps, I get the messge
feature not available.
eah9's Avatar eah9 06:53 AM 09-03-2013
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

How do you have it setup with your AVR? Meaning, do you have it set in the bluray player to bitstream or LPCM the audio to your AVR so that IT can decode it?

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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

I have it bitstream on the 5100 to my avr - sony str-dn1030.

I wanted to be clear that I have the AVR doing the decoding. Bitstream means it is going to the AVR for decoding. PCM (LPCM) means the bdp does the decoding. Not sure if you had that right in your question or not (sounds like you might have had it backwards). I like to send it to my avr because I like to see the DTS-HD MA etc...displayed on my avr panel biggrin.gif
Foxbat121's Avatar Foxbat121 07:35 AM 09-03-2013
Based on mijotter's post on other threads, he is really confused with what LPCM means.
Yankees24's Avatar Yankees24 08:12 AM 09-03-2013
I just purchased the S1100 and my initial impressions is that the Blu Ray video quality is better than my PS3. Does anyone else think that as well ?
MacinMan's Avatar MacinMan 08:21 AM 09-03-2013
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Actually, it's the 3D signal causing it. I took the disc out and it still freezes if I don't turn it off before watching netflix.

I'm glad you got to the bottom of the issue. I never invested in a full 3D setup for health concerns and wanting to see if it took off and lasted, from what i hear 3D is dead in TV so it's not worth me investing in at this time. I am curious though, i've read that all new TVs are dropping analog SD connections as all modern bd players are. If this is true, is it better to keep my older TVs since i still occasionally use hardware that has analog connections?

My current TVs are as follows:

Living room: Panasonic TC-P42U1 Plasma (2009 model purchased in 2010) 42" native 1080p display
Bedroom: Sony BRAVIA KDL-32EX400 (2010 model purchased in 2010) 32" native 1080p display here too.

Both TVs still function great after three years. I was just wondering if there is going to be some upcoming demand to get a new display any time soon, or as long as I have HDMI, i'll be ok. Both sets are both HDIMI 1.3x compliant. Neither have 3D abilities and both have the latest firmware from the manufacture.
Selden Ball's Avatar Selden Ball 08:51 AM 09-03-2013
Macinman,

If you're not interested in 3D or 4K resolution video, your current equipment will be fine for several more years. Those people who haven't updated to HDMI won't be in as good a situation, since analog video and audio are being phased out of new entry-level and midrange equipment. frown.gif I expect high-end equipment will be more likely to continue to provide analog support since their customers tend to be older people who have accumulated more legacy equipment.
MacinMan's Avatar MacinMan 09:00 AM 09-03-2013
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Macinman,

If you're not interested in 3D or 4K resolution video, your current equipment will be fine for several more years. Those people who haven't updated to HDMI won't be in as good a situation, since analog video and audio are being phased out of new entry-level and midrange equipment. frown.gif I expect high-end equipment will be more likely to continue to provide analog support since their customers tend to be older people who have accumulated more legacy equipment.

Thanks for the response.

4K i might be interested in, when it becomes cheaper, and more widely available. 3D i only didn't invest in because of health concerns and the nature of 3D technology, still requiring glasses and a transmitter, and having to sit still or in certain positions for it to work correctly. where as 2d 1080p movies and 4k will not require the same as 3D. The other issue is right now I don't have room for a huge tv so 42 to 46" is my size without buying too big maybe 50" in a pinch. Will 4k be available on smaller displays?
Selden Ball's Avatar Selden Ball 09:46 AM 09-03-2013
4K already is available on smaller displays intended for use with computers. It's just a matter of time for their prices to come down enough for them to be marketed as TVs. However, many people have pointed out that it's unlikely to make a visible resolution difference at normal viewing distances for TVs with a diagonal size smaller than 50". The 4K standard includes more bits per color channel. Whether that part of the standard actually gets implemented in displays is another matter entirely.

FWIW, a front-projector with a large pull-up or pull-down screen often can be accommodated in situations where a fixed display can't fit. (That's what I use.)
powertoburn's Avatar powertoburn 12:20 PM 09-03-2013
Is there a way to set the time on the player? I put in "Daybreakers" last night and on the home screen there were several widgets and the displayed time was off by one hour
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