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Does anyone use a pair of Sennheiser HD800 phones with their 105? If so, do you use the built-in headphone output or a separate headphone amp? I just bought a pair of HD800s and they sound great plugged straight in, but I keep reading that the only way to fully appreciate them is with a dedicate amp. Any thoughts? (If you haven't actually heard the HD800/Oppo 105 combo, then your opinion, which would be pure conjecture, won't be helpful!) smile.gif
An interesting option is to use Oppo's XLR outputs to drive you HD800.
I was checking HD800 with different headphone amps during California Audio Show last year - Oppo built-in headphone amp wasn't the best one I've tried.
I didn't know about XLR option at that time - some people claim it is much better sounding option.
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I don't think the line-out signal will directly drive headphones; hence the need for an amp.

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Does anyone use a pair of Sennheiser HD800 phones with their 105? If so, do you use the built-in headphone output or a separate headphone amp? I just bought a pair of HD800s and they sound great plugged straight in, but I keep reading that the only way to fully appreciate them is with a dedicate amp. Any thoughts? (If you haven't actually heard the HD800/Oppo 105 combo, then your opinion, which would be pure conjecture, won't be helpful!) smile.gif

I have the Senn HD800s and find the Oppo 105 Headphone output to be satisfactory but my dedicated amp is superior. I use a Lehmann Black Cube Linear amp but, for the price, I think you could find another amp that will meet or surpass my amp and at a lower price. Your best bet would be to do a little research at Head Fi where the headphone geeks reside. Interestingly, I think that Oppo has an amp under development. And their new PM-1 headphone looks like it might be a winner.

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Ken, $2100 is a bit much! I'm leaning toward the Schiit Audio Lyr--around $500.

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Ken, $2100 is a bit much! I'm leaning toward the Schiit Audio Lyr--around $500.

Roger that!
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So the experiment is over, I got my SSP-800 back yesterday and plugged it into the amp with Oppo feeding it and to be honest I prefer the sound of the SSP-800 biggrin.gif

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wse,

I assume you're using HDMI from the Oppo 105 to the SSP-800 so the Classe is doing the analog processing; is that correct?

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wse, I assume you're using HDMI from the Oppo 105 to the SSP-800 so the Classe is doing the analog processing; is that correct? db

Yes for Blu Ray movies, APPLE TV, and CDs.

Now for SACD MCH & Stereo I use the DACs From OPPO biggrin.gif

The best of both world wink.gif

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Yes for Blu Ray movies, APPLE TV, and CDs.

Now for SACD MCH & Stereo I use the DACs From OPPO biggrin.gif

The best of both world wink.gif

Your Oppo BDP-105 has a better D/A converter than you Classe SSP-800? This does not make sense in light or your post No. 1446. Can you explain?
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Hey all,

 

Long-time lurker, first-time poster.  I'm strongly considering picking up a BPD-105, but I have a question about its audio performance behavior and haven't been able to find a clear answer from the manual or other online sources.  Any help would be appreciated.

 

I'm planning to use the BDP-105 as a universal player for two amplifiers:  a stereo tube amp for 2-channel critical-listening (connected via the dedicated stereo analog outs (not the multichannel analog outs)), and a 9.1 AVR for multichannel playback (connected via HDMI).  I have a small number of SACDs and DVD-As that I listen to now and again, most of which have a both a stereo source and a multichannel source, and want to be able to play the stereo source on the tube amp (not the multichannel source downmixed to 2.0), and the multichannel source on the AVR, and not have to fuss about with menu-driven settings whenever I start playing it.  Currently, I have a dedicated CD/SACD/DVD-A for my tube amp, and another for the AVR, because neither of them can conveniently go back and forth between stereo and surround modes.  I'm hoping the BDP-105 will address this, though I'm not even sure this is possible.

 

So ... given how I described my desired set-up above, if I played a DVD-A or SACD that has both a 2-channel source and a multi-channel source, what would the 105 play by default through the dedicated stereo outputs?  Would it be the native two-channel source, or the multichannel source downmixed to 2.0?  And when playing the same source over HDMI to my AVR, would it play in multichannel mode, or would I need to change a setting somehow to do this?  (If a setting needs to be changed, does it need to be changed through the Speaker Configuration menu, or is there an easier way (e.g., through the remote)?

 

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Hi megarat smile.gif.

First off, when you play a DVDA or an SACD, you need to choose which mix you want to play on the disc itself.
If the disc has both steror and multi-ch options, you choose one or the other, and once that is done the player will playback you choice.

Having said that, I think the player will be able to do exactly what you want.
One feature of the player is that all outputs are active 24/7 when the player is on (with of course restrictions based on settings).
If you want to only use the dedicated 2-ch analog output for stereo content, you can do that, and simply configure the analog audio options in the player.
Likewise, you can then also listen to digital surround audio via HDMI to your AVR without having to change any settings in the player.
So it looks like it will meet your criteria perfectly.

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Thanks Smarty-pants, this is a great help.  I expect that I'll pick up one of these within the next couple of weeks.

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Does any one know if the 105 uses the same module for it's CD/DVD-transport as the 103? If I where to guess the 105 has a better, more stable construction.
The reason for asking is my interest in using either of them as transport to a separate DAC.
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Originally Posted by gbaby View PostYour Oppo BDP-105 has a better D/A converter than you Classe SSP-800?
Does it? I am not so sure any more!
This does not make sense in light or your post No. 1446. Can you explain?
I had never tried the Oppo direct before. With SACD DSD it sounded really good, but for Apple TV since I can use Dolby Prologic IIx, I like the sound better with the Classe

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Originally Posted by Audiovector View PostDoes any one know if the 105 uses the same module for it's CD/DVD-transport as the 103? If I where to guess the 105 has a better, more stable construction. The reason for asking is my interest in using either of them as transport to a separate DAC.

Yes the 105 has better construction.

 

105  Top View (High resolution file size: 203 KB)
BDP-105 Top View

 

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/blu-ray-BDP-105D-Images.aspx

 

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Does any one know if the 105 uses the same module for it's CD/DVD-transport as the 103? If I where to guess the 105 has a better, more stable construction.
The reason for asking is my interest in using either of them as transport to a separate DAC.
Even with better construction, you're wasting your money buying the 105 over the 103 if you're just going to use it as a transport.
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Does any one know if the 105 uses the same module for it's CD/DVD-transport as the 103? If I where to guess the 105 has a better, more stable construction.
The reason for asking is my interest in using either of them as transport to a separate DAC.

The optical drive is the same in the two players for current manufacturing. There have been some model changes in the optical drive over the history of production, i.e., the oldest 103 units may have a different model drive (same specs, just a change in part availability from the supplier).
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Thanks everyone for quick replies.
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Just in case you have not been following the Official BDP-105 Owner's Thread the past week you probably want to know about a firmware bug that has been discovered. Oppo is currently testing the Firmware Update that will fix this. It should be released soon. Here is a summary from Bob P:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1439524/official-oppo-bdp-105-owners-thread/10200#post_24634366

This bug becomes active if you are using the 105 analog outputs and are setting speaker distances that are not all the same.
Players Affected: BDP-103/103D/105/105D/93/95 in US configurations. It is likely this also affects overseas configurations, but that has not yet been confirmed.

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Even with better construction, you're wasting your money buying the 105 over the 103 if you're just going to use it as a transport.

What if one was to use it as a transport for DVD/BD and then as an analog source via XLR for CD/SACD/DVD-A to e.g. a Yamaha CX-A5000 processer, which has the 9016 ESS DACs on all channels???
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What if one was to use it as a transport for DVD/BD and then as an analog source via XLR for CD/SACD/DVD-A to e.g. a Yamaha CX-A5000 processer, which has the 9016 ESS DACs on all channels???
If you're going to use the analog outputs on the player, there's no point in using the DAC's on your processor as the signal will have to be converted BACK to digital by your processor to do so. In that case, just use HDMI (or one of the other digital outputs) from the player and get a BDP-103 instead of the BDP-105.
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Hi guys,

I have an Oppo 83SE that I bought years ago and have enjoyed. It is fed to a Musical Fidelity M6i 2 channel amp for CD playback and a Denon A100 AVR with both HDMI and 5.1 analog for blu ray and SACD multi channel playback. Speakers are Bowers & Wilkins CM9 floor standers with CM centre, CM1 surrounds and 10CM sub.

I am considering upgrading to the 105D but am curious to know if there is any difference in the analog capability/sound as it seems to use the same Sabre DACs?

I have tried searching but haven't found anything other than snippets, such as the DACs aren't stacked any more, there seem to be a lot of comparisons to the 95 or 103 which I know very little about.

Thanks in advance......
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If you're going to use the analog outputs on the player, there's no point in using the DAC's on your processor as the signal will have to be converted BACK to digital by your processor to do so. In that case, just use HDMI (or one of the other digital outputs) from the player and get a BDP-103 instead of the BDP-105.

I was thinking to use only the stereo analogue XLR out for music sources. For movies, I want to use it as a transport.

Running my processor in "Pure Direct", where the processor does not convert the input to digital and then to analogue again.


I am curious about how much better this will be, compared to the ESS 9016 in the Yammy.


Also - I am curious about how the buildt in headphone amp of the 105 compares to stand-alone head-amps, product and/or price wise.
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Hi guys,

I have an Oppo 83SE that I bought years ago and have enjoyed. It is fed to a Musical Fidelity M6i 2 channel amp for CD playback and a Denon A100 AVR with both HDMI and 5.1 analog for blu ray and SACD multi channel playback. Speakers are Bowers & Wilkins CM9 floor standers with CM centre, CM1 surrounds and 10CM sub.

I am considering upgrading to the 105D but am curious to know if there is any difference in the analog capability/sound as it seems to use the same Sabre DACs?

I have tried searching but haven't found anything other than snippets, such as the DACs aren't stacked any more, there seem to be a lot of comparisons to the 95 or 103 which I know very little about.

Thanks in advance......

From what I remember in my research, both the 95 and 105 are a significant improvement over the 83SE. However, the 95 vs. the 105 is not as great a leap. If you will use the analog section, the 105D would be the way to go. I would like to have the D option, but bought mine over a year ago. Would be cool if it could be upgraded but I suspect the cost may not make it worthwhile. I am really loving my 105 for two channel listening and watching blu-rays.
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I agree with you on the sound of the Apple TV especially encoded with AIFF. Converting 2.0 to to 5.1 or 7.1 Dolby Prologic IIx sounds better than many 2.0 SACD recordings. eek.gif
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Yes Oppo needs to incorporate all the surround sound systems

 

DTS

 

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Pro Logic IIx

 

 

In addition they could incorporate DIRAC since they already have a deal with them.

 

http://www.dirac.se/en/news-events/latest-news/oppo-find-5-smartphone-announced-with-dirac-hd-sound.aspx

 

I wonder if they are the same OPPO?


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In addition, if I were an Oppo owner I would expect it to be able to decode 5.1 PCM at 176.4. As of now, it can only play PCM at 88.2 or 96 which means one cannot obtain the maximum sonic capabilites from SACD. I was about to purchase an Oppo BDP-103, but when I found out it could not, I changed my mind.
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In addition, if I were an Oppo owner I would expect it to be able to decode 5.1 PCM at 176.4. As of now, it can only play PCM at 88.2 or 96 which means one cannot obtain the maximum sonic capabilites from SACD. I was about to purchase an Oppo BDP-103, but when I found out it could not, I changed my mind.

Eh? SACD is not PCM, it is DSD and the Oppo can output that directly if required. Further it can output DVD-A and Blu-ray Audio up to 24/192 in MCH. Very good it sounds too.
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In addition, if I were an Oppo owner I would expect it to be able to decode 5.1 PCM at 176.4. As of now, it can only play PCM at 88.2 or 96 which means one cannot obtain the maximum sonic capabilites from SACD. I was about to purchase an Oppo BDP-103, but when I found out it could not, I changed my mind.

This has been discussed. Due to the "noise shaping" used in SACD recording as DSD, a 50KHz filter needs to be applied to eliminate the high frequency, quantization noise artifacts that are inherent in that encoding. Converting DSD to 176.4KHz LPCM means that filtering has to be applied downstream -- which means the AVR needs to *KNOW* it is being asked to play LPCM coming from an SACD decode.

By doing the conversion to LPCM at 88.2KHz, the filter falls out of the math itself due to the Nyquist limit (i.e., frequencies above 1/2 the sampling rate are attenuated as a mathematical outcome of the digital sampling).

(When you do DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion in the OPPO the 50KHz filtering is applied by the DACs themselves.)
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Eh? SACD is not PCM, it is DSD and the Oppo can output that directly if required. Further it can output DVD-A and Blu-ray Audio up to 24/192 in MCH. Very good it sounds too.

I know DSD is not PCM, but DSD cannot be played in multichannel without a conversion to PCM. So when you play SACD multichannel through the Oppo, you are limited to a sampling rate of 88.2.
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