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Hello, I'm new to AVS and this Oppo forum. For what it's worth, I've had the BDP-105D for almost a year. I use it primarily for stereo audio, so I went with Kimber Kable Hero XLRs directly into my Parasound Halo P3 preamp, which in turn is connected with another set of Hero XLRs to a Parasound Halo A23 power amp. After what seemed like a brief break-in period, I've been astonished by the sound (better than my BDP-95, which I moved to a second system in another room).


Hi,


Have you tried hooking up your Kimber Hero XLR's from the OPPO..... STRAIGHT to your Parasound Halo A23.........leaving the Parasound Halo P3 OUT of the chain??


Don't forget to set volume on the OPPO to "variable" and dial it down before you start.


If the cables aren't long enough just join them together!!!


Have a listen............. and be prepared for quite a surprise!!!


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Hello Folks,

I am burning in my new BDP-105D (does not sound as good as my Linn Unidisk SC, which has a more even, smooth balance, a bit richer, not as bright/edgy in the upper midrange/lower treble and somewhat better deep bass...however the Linn is a well broken in $6K unit with an upgraded Dynamik power supply) and am hoping that the sound will improve. I have about 100 hours on the Oppo at the moment and it has improved during the first 100 hours.

I only use the 2-channel stereo outputs for music listening and HDMI 1 to my Pioneer Elite Plasma for DVD and Blu-ray. Movie sound is either directly from the Oppo 2-channel stereo outputs, or from the Pioneer fed by the Oppo HDMI 1. My preamplifier is a McIntosh C2200 and my system is 2 channel only (mono-block tube amplifiers).

A couple of questions:

1. Is there an advantage to setting SACD to DSD rather than PCM? Does this avoid extra signal processing?

2. In order to ensure SACD DSD, is it necessary to turn off HDMI audio? If yes, this will mean turning it back on to watch DVDs and BDs?

Thanks for any help
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Hello Folks,

A couple of questions:

1. Is there an advantage to setting SACD to DSD rather than PCM? Does this avoid extra signal processing?

2. In order to ensure SACD DSD, is it necessary to turn off HDMI audio? If yes, this will mean turning it back on to watch DVDs and BDs?

Thanks for any help
If there's no plan on your part to utilize the Oppo's speaker configuration menu settings, down-mixing, or crossover while playing SACD's or DSD files, then setting SACD Output to DSD would be the better choice. SACD Output to DSD bypasses all the above Oppo features I mentioned above, and its DACs will convert DSD audio direct to analog output. Setting SACD Output to PCM will convert DSD audio to an interim LPCM, 88.2 kHz, 24 bit stream before converting to analog.

It is "not" necessary to turn off HDMI audio while SACD output is set at DSD. The 105D will mute one or both of its hdmi outputs if the receiving audio sources attached to those interfaces can't decode DSD audio streams.

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Thanks DanF8500...glad to hear it is not necessary to turn off HDMI audio. I'll update on the sonic changes as the unit burns in.
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I plan on getting the oppo 105d and was hoping one could steer me into the right way of upgrading it. I see there are a couple of upgrading websites, which one should I choose. Im new to this. Also, will this improve sound quality. thanks
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I plan on getting the oppo 105d and was hoping one could steer me into the right way of upgrading it. I see there are a couple of upgrading websites, which one should I choose. Im new to this. Also, will this improve sound quality. thanks


Hi,


Get your 105D and have a listen to it for a while first.


You may well decide that an upgrade (mod) is not necessary!!!


Obviously ALL the OPPO mod sites will claim audible improvements in SQ.


I am in Australia and had an older OPPO 83 fully modded by Custom Analogue.


I can comfortably state that it sounded pretty decent BEFORE the mods but AFTER the mods it clearly sounded MUCH better.


Here's Joe's website..........


http://www.customanalogue.com/index.html


I would imagine that a fully modded 105D would sound spectacular.


You DO need to take into A/C the extra $$ as if you decide to upgrade later you will lose most of mod investment when reselling.


Other well known modders of OPPO's include......


http://www.modwright.com/modificatio...dp83se-mod.php

http://www.audiocominternational.com/15-oppo-mods


There are a few more out there also.


Each of them have their own specific mods like reclocking or tube output so, if/when the time comes, some SERIOUS research is required to determine which modders strategy suits YOU the best.


Cheers,


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After 175 hours of burn-in the Oppo BDP-105D is sounding smoother (upper midrange/lower treble harshness/edge has receded), sweeter and better integrated. I will see what happens with a few more hours...perhaps something startling....
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Personally, I agree with you. But there are people who think you are just getting comfortable with the sound and that electronics don't "break in".
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Personally, I agree with you. But there are people who think you are just getting comfortable with the sound and that electronics don't "break in".
Nah...I compare to my Linn Unidisk SC and the sonic signature has changed.
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I have an OPPO 83 and was planning on replacing the former with the 105D, based on much I what I've read here. Sounds like a very worthwhile upgrade.

My question concerns bi-amping. I'd like to try bypassing the Krell pre pro I currently use and go directly to the amps. I've read where both balanced and unbalanced RCA are active- is that the 7.1 RCAs or the stereo RCAs or all three?

So I presume I use those outputs that are active and adjust for the +6 DB balanced output signal using the gain controls on the amps.
Or, one amp (Krell) has balanced line outs so I could run the amps in series vs. in parallel as at present.

Anyone else using the 105 in a bia-amped set-up? If so, how are you doing it?

I also use 2 x subs (one itself bi-amped) but I should be able to split one of the two sub outs making effectively 3 x sub outs.



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^ Seems like you may be making it a bit more complicated than it needs to be...

First, all outputs on the player are active 24/7. So, theoretically you could send a 7.1 channel audio track to one source,
a stereo version of that to another source via the RCA stereo outputs, and yet another stereo version out via the balanced outputs.

You could use the balanced AND unbalanced at the same time, but they still may not sound the same, even after compensating for the 6dB difference.
If I were to do such a setup (bi-amped), I would just put an RCA splitter on each of the RCA outputs and split the signal of each 2 ways to 2 amps.
It may weaken the signal ever so slightly, but as long as the cable runs are short it shouldn't be an issue, and won't truncate the AQ.

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^ Seems like you may be making it a bit more complicated than it needs to be...

First, all outputs on the player are active 24/7. So, theoretically you could send a 7.1 channel audio track to one source,
a stereo version of that to another source via the RCA stereo outputs, and yet another stereo version out via the balanced outputs.
If doing this, make sure the Oppo's dedicated stereo outputs are configured as front left/right instead of stereo downmix so that surround content won't be mixed into the dedicated stereo outputs. However, the dedicated stereo outputs and the multichannel outputs have a different DAC configuration, so I wouldn't be inclined to mix them in a situation such as biamping - I'd rather use an RCA splitter (or XLR splitter) as Smarty suggested later in his post.

The option of using the balanced line outputs on the Krell amp to feed the signal to the other amp would also be a good option.

But what speakers are you looking to biamp, @ritter ? In most cases, there really isn't any benefit and one would usually get better results from just getting a better single amp (or a pair of monoblocks) rather than splitting funds into 2 amps. Just something to think about.
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Thanks both for the quick reply.

I have B&W 801 S3's as my mains. They are power hungry and require high current amps to control the bass in particular.

I use a Krell amp (500w @ 4 ohms) for the tweeter/ midrange and a Crown K2 for the 12" drivers. At 800w (@ 4 ohms) the K2 has the high current the drivers like and the SQ reflects that. I've tried different iterations but this is the one I like best so far.

I also have another K2 powering a VMPS Larger sub- one side to the 15" and the other to the 12" driver. These amps deliver not only muscle but also great control for big drivers.

I guess I'm inclined to split the balanced outputs of the 105 as I already have the lengths necessary to run to amps (rather than through the Krell's balanced outputs).
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Wondering if anyone else has noticed this with DSD material... Everyone seems to agree that the DAC volume control in the 105 works really well at not degrading sound quality. I've recently readjusted the gains on my amps to take my "normal" listening volume on the Oppo from ~35 to ~65. Non-DSD material sounds the same, but there has been a very noticeable increase in the quality/detail of DSD based material. Does anyone know if the DAC uses a different method for volume control with DSD? I would think because of the nature of DSD, the previously described bit dropping doesn't work? The detail increase has been mainly in upper octave sounds, guitar string "attack" and the front end dynamics mainly. Also, much more realistic vocal "air".

I've repeated this a few times and I don't think I'm imagining it. I would like to do more work to raise the Oppo volume control level, but don't have the equipment to test output clipping. I would hope that Oppo has designed everything in a way that would allow you to run near ~0 on the volume and not clip with reference source material. After all, the fixed output setting is at "0"?

Thoughts?

Thanks.
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