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Old 03-02-2017, 08:02 PM
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Bdp-105d

My first post here ( BDP-105D ).
Does anybody know how long the break in time is? Could it be up to 200 hours?
I'm not very happy with the high frequencies. Sounds sort of "edgy" / "harsh".
Electric guitars ( esp. rock ) don't sound right. Running the unit for 70 hours now but
not much of a change. Using the unit as a usb dac with a Meier Corda Classic headphone
amp and a Beyer T1. Compared it to my Burson Virtuoso , also Sabre based dac. With the
Burson used as dac I can listen for hours without fatigue but the Oppo is a bit stress to my
ears .
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My first post here ( BDP-105D ).
Does anybody know how long the break in time is? Could it be up to 200 hours?

Yes. Some have said up to 400 hours (or more). You can accelerate the 'break in' time by running the unit for a few hours, then power it down for an hour, then run it again for a few hours, and repeat, etc. This charges and discharges the capacitors in the internal analog output chain. If there is anything that is 'breaking in' so to speak, it's the internal capacitors (which take several sustained charges and discharges to 'settle'), but I'm not of the belief that the fundamental signature of the sound is going to change all that much. The highs can smooth out a little, but it's unlikely to be any dramatic change. The player's output just might be a little too bright for your ears and/or for your particular set up (amp, speakers, etc.).


Others here might have a different opinion on this, and I'm sure they'll weigh in.
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There is no need to "power down" and power up again. Just play music thru it as much as possible. The edge will eventually go away. Leave the unit on 24/7.
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Well, I hope it's worth $600-700, which for me is a lot to spend given I already have the 103. I don't expect a night and day difference, but just one of a little more refinement and a little better/richer tone quality. We will see.
Well, flip the 103 and just keep the 105 - I thought it was worth is at the time, but it's been a few years since it came out - there are some decent Chinese DACs under $1000 that I think would give the 105 a good run, especially with DSD128.

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My first post here ( BDP-105D ).
Does anybody know how long the break in time is? Could it be up to 200 hours?
I'm not very happy with the high frequencies. Sounds sort of "edgy" / "harsh".
Electric guitars ( esp. rock ) don't sound right. Running the unit for 70 hours now but
not much of a change. Using the unit as a usb dac with a Meier Corda Classic headphone
amp and a Beyer T1. Compared it to my Burson Virtuoso , also Sabre based dac. With the
Burson used as dac I can listen for hours without fatigue but the Oppo is a bit stress to my
ears .
I've thousands of hours on mine, both analog and HDMI output. It doesn't settle down a lot, which IMHO is a good thing because it usually means higher end parts that won't drift with age or sound bad after extended periods without use. Again, in my opinion, the treble is a bit etched, especially with edgy speakers (my "reference" speakers are edgy with a ribbon tweeter). I do feel the BDP-105 leans more towards a neutral, honest presentation where I find many DACs tend to smooth things off a little bit to make poorer recordings or lower resolutions easier on the ears. I've had friends simply change to "warmer" sounding speaker or interconnect cables to compensate for a neutral/honest/slightly-edgy. If you really like the 105 you might consider small changes like that.
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Well, flip the 103 and just keep the 105 - I thought it was worth is at the time, but it's been a few years since it came out - there are some decent Chinese DACs under $1000 that I think would give the 105 a good run, especially with DSD128.



I've thousands of hours on mine, both analog and HDMI output. It doesn't settle down a lot, which IMHO is a good thing because it usually means higher end parts that won't drift with age or sound bad after extended periods without use. Again, in my opinion, the treble is a bit etched, especially with edgy speakers (my "reference" speakers are edgy with a ribbon tweeter). I do feel the BDP-105 leans more towards a neutral, honest presentation where I find many DACs tend to smooth things off a little bit to make poorer recordings or lower resolutions easier on the ears. I've had friends simply change to "warmer" sounding speaker or interconnect cables to compensate for a neutral/honest/slightly-edgy. If you really like the 105 you might consider small changes like that.
I was going to suggest a cable change or two. I didn't want to sidetrack the thread with debates. I changed both my PC and XLR interconnect cables. Not necessarily "warmer" but more neutral from top to bottom.
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Thanks a lot for the response!
I give it another few hundred hours.
If that does not help I get different interconnects.
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Thanks a lot for the response!
I give it another few hundred hours.
If that does not help I get different interconnects.

What interconnects are you using?


I've found that Blue Jeans Cable Belden 1694A is a great bargain for stereo audio cables. I've used them for years on many setups and they always seem to satisfy, i.e. provide a smooth, evenly balanced sound, and in particular they're not bright on the top end as many cable are. I also have their most recommended LC-1 cables, but found them too bright and strident on the high end.


I'm not a big believer in interconnects making a huge difference, but I do think they can make some difference.
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Well, flip the 103 and just keep the 105 - I thought it was worth is at the time, but it's been a few years since it came out - there are some decent Chinese DACs under $1000 that I think would give the 105 a good run, especially with DSD128.



I've thousands of hours on mine, both analog and HDMI output. It doesn't settle down a lot, which IMHO is a good thing because it usually means higher end parts that won't drift with age or sound bad after extended periods without use. Again, in my opinion, the treble is a bit etched, especially with edgy speakers (my "reference" speakers are edgy with a ribbon tweeter). I do feel the BDP-105 leans more towards a neutral, honest presentation where I find many DACs tend to smooth things off a little bit to make poorer recordings or lower resolutions easier on the ears. I've had friends simply change to "warmer" sounding speaker or interconnect cables to compensate for a neutral/honest/slightly-edgy. If you really like the 105 you might consider small changes like that.

Well, I just spent the better part of the day yesterday listening to the Marantz SA8003 again, and I have to say that overall (especially in long term listening) it provides much more refined sound than the BDP-103; and is more satisfying to listen to. The highs in particular are smoother, richer and cleaner. The bass is fuller (though not as tight), and the sound stage is little bigger. On the whole, it's definitely a league above the 103, but then again it cost twice as much and is a stereo audio player only.


I can only hope and presume the 105 has a similar signature as the 103, especially the tight bass which I like, but is more refined in tone quality and overall 'cleanness' of its sound. We'll see if I ever can find one for a reasonable price. I'm shocked at how high these go for used on ebay, sometimes without even the original box, with missing components or even cosmetic damage. There also seem to be few 105s for sale, and almost all are the 105B model, which generally goes for at least $100 more.
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I did some more long term listening on the BDP-103 yesterday and today to compare once again (I prefer long term listening sessions for comparison rather than quick A/B testing). I really like and prefer the taught and crisp sound signature of the 103 (it provides great clarity, especially in the bass). The Marantz is 'thicker' sounding with not as much overall clarity. But again, the tone quality of the Oppo is thin and clinical and leaves something to be desired, where as the Marantz's is smoother and richer. If I could only get the Marantz tone quality and the Oppo clarity, I'd have just the sound I prefer.


I have an old Marantz DV7001 DVD/SACD player (purchased new and barely used) that I remember preferring (surprisingly) over the Marantz SA8003 (at least on one setup), but unfortunately when I brought it out and hooked it up recently, the unit powered up but the disc drawer wouldn't open. Maybe the motor seized up from being in storage for a few years. However, I took it in for repair and I'm going to see how it does relative to the others when I get it back. Depending on how I like or don't like it, I'm then going to decide if I want to spend the money on the BDP-105.
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Marantz units have always been known for their smooth midrange and bass. I discovered that many years ago listening to their top of the line receiver. Yes the Oppo units lack that midrange "warmth" that is in the primary region where we hear most of the notes produced.
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I did some more long term listening on the BDP-103 yesterday and today to compare once again (I prefer long term listening sessions for comparison rather than quick A/B testing). I really like and prefer the taught and crisp sound signature of the 103 (it provides great clarity, especially in the bass). The Marantz is 'thicker' sounding with not as much overall clarity. But again, the tone quality of the Oppo is thin and clinical and leaves something to be desired, where as the Marantz's is smoother and richer. If I could only get the Marantz tone quality and the Oppo clarity, I'd have just the sound I prefer.
If you want to use analog output from an Oppo, get a model that ends with a 5 rather than 3, e.g., 105 rather than 103. If you use digital, the 103 is fine, but the Marantz is more likely to be determining the sonics you report.

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