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It'd be pretty exciting if this is also coming to the CA 752BD: http://www.stereophile.com/content/news-flash-oppo-now-plays-dsd-files

I suspect this firmware is more Mediatek - based than Oppo since both the Oppo and CA use the exact same Mediatek MTK8580 platform/interface and it appears to be about activating/enabling the player's ability to recognize an external drive's DSF/DFF file. Once the file is read, the decoder should be able to process it in the same way it does a .flac or .mp3. (I'd imagine it's all tied to the ability to output DSD stream natively from HDMI-2 - which is a function of the Mediatek MTK8580, as I understand it).

Since I see what seems to be an official Cambridge Audio post earlier in the thread, I'm hoping they might respond. biggrin.gif

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I hope you are correct on that front for your Cambridge, but time will tell. This is another area where Oppo has clearly separated themselves from their peers regardless of price. They contiuously add features throughout their product's life cycle and are quick to provide firmware update to address new releases that don't play properly.smile.gif

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OK, thanks for clarifying. Well, it didn't take them long to form such a strong opinion. I guess they listen to different music or have different values than the professional reviewers.

What's a "professional" reviewer?biggrin.gif I thought we were all professional reviewers.smile.gif

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Has anyone hooked up a 3TB or 4TB hard drive to the 752 and played files? Can it read the drive?
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You also have to remember that CA is in a completely different market situation. Oppo is a direct internet dealer whereas CA is sold in specialty shops. That means they don't have near the same amount of overhead and need to appease their dealers with a certain amount of margin. If they had implemented the same features as the 105 I imagine they would be tacking on a significant cost to the player.

As for the filters, they are not defeatable, you have to use one of them. No matter what all signals go to the DSP and are upconverted to 192/24. From there the filter is applied. This has been the case with CA players for a long time. This audio section is nothing new.
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Kris,

Great, am looking forward to reading it. Thanks!

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Kris' review is finally online.

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Does any one know if the 752BD has gapless playback for digital music files?

Also, how easy is the user interface to navigate? (The 751 is mentioned in numerous forums as having a fairly clunky and rudimentary interface).

Also, for those interested, Doug Blackburn's review of the 752 is available here:

http://www.carltonaudiovisual.com.au/images/cambridgeaudio/widescreen-review-752bd.pdf
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Hmmm... no mention of turning off 24p mode, running sharpness at +1 with the QDEO on HDMI-1, failing chroma tests on HDMI-2 in this review or the Oppo reviews. In fact they say both are "bit perfect".

Kris, are you aware of the debate on these issues in the Oppo 103 thread and how do you know they are bit perfect? I thought you covered the audio in the review very well, but was expecting a bit more info on video given your exemplary history with DVD player reviews.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/6630#post_23081437

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/7500#post_23175637

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/7770#post_23202490

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What is the issue you're seeing with 24p? I didn't see any issues with 24p playback? I am not a fan of the running sharpness at +1 in the QDEO settings as it adds subtle ringing the image. I am aware of the NR issue, but I don't see a noticeable enough issue with it to raise a bunch of concerns in the review. Oppo is well aware of the problem and working on a fix. I didn't have any issues with HDMI 2 in my tests with either the Oppo or the CA. What are you seeing that is an issue?

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This is good news, coming from you. I'm not seeing anything myself, just trying to come to terms with the different opinions out there (links provided in my previous post).

I suspect some users are experiencing some kind of unexpected interactions with their displays. The problem with HDMI is it is hard to analyze scientifically without very expensive test equipment. One user reported S&M chroma tests failing when connected to the Radiance, and some (not all) tests also failed when connected directly to his TV. In one email Oppo acknowledged an error on the 4:2:2 output and said it would be fixed in the next firmware, which has since come and gone. Perhaps they found no fault.

As for the softness issue, one user reported things snapping into focus when he disabled 24p and has left it that way. Obviously something bizarre going on there. I also don't agree with putting sharpness up. I think it will eventually just become accepted that the QDEO solution is different (softer?) than the ABT, as Oppo isn't making any promises. Some have already come to this realization and declared they wished they hadn't sold their 83 to buy the 103.

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I use an Oppo and put it into a separate DVDO video processor and then into my projector.

all video looks great; I am getting the benefit of the Marvell Processor and the benefit of the DVDO which has a great fine detail and edge controls

if you use HDMI 1, you are using the Marvell QDEO, which most people like but I have read that some don't want the softer picture
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Kris mention in his review that the Oppo sounded a little better when hooked up directly to his amps bypassing the preamp.

I am thinking of bypassing my old preamp and using the CA instead. Is anybody doing the same with their CA and how do they like the sound being produced?
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Kris,

Great review! Thank you very much. I have a couple of questions. Currently I have the Oppo BD-83SE. My system has the Marantz AV8801 and MM8077 separates, Martin Logan Summit speakers and I also have the Marantz SA-15S2B. I believe the Marantz SA player would sound better then either the Oppo 105 or CA 752 for cds and SACDs so I'll continue to use that for music (unless you think otherwise - please let me know.) My question revolves around the sound from movies. I believe the sound from Blu Ray movies will be a step-up with either unit when compared to my 83SE. I plan to hook up the new player through the 7.1 configuration so did you notice if either player had a difference in movie sound? I play all types of movies (from Sci Fi to musicals) so I am looking for the best overall sound quality from my next Blu Ray player. Thanks again for your great review.
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With the analog multi-channel outputs hooked to my Anthem I didn't notice a big enough difference in movie soundtracks to lean toward one player. Both sounded great and offer about the same flexibility in setup. Honestly, I would probably just run with your Marantz for surround sound duties for movies. I would stick with the analog outs for music.

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FYI--these questions were just sent to CA technical support. I'll let you know when I get a response back...

Here are the answers from my questions to tech support (IN CAPS) as only easy way to differentiate.

1. Unlike the Oppo 95, are the dedicated stereo out and the L/R output from the Mult-Channel outs identically configured?
YES--INDENTICALLY

2. The 103/105 just had a major firmware update where among other things an audio delay (+/- 100ms) was added. Since I send my DVR though the HDMI input, and it can be off-sync at times, that's one thing i really need. Is that on the horizon for the 752BD?
IS POSSIBLE(!)--US LIASION LOOKING INTO IT WITH CAMBRIDGE HQ

3. Is there a way to defeat the filters and/or upsampling circuit, just if to compare the difference?
NO--AND NO WAY TO HAVE THE DSD/DFF FEATURE OPPO OFFERS BECAUSE STREAM IS CONVERTED TO PCM FIRST FOR THE UPCONVERT/FILTERS

4. Why were (arguably superior) XLR outs not included? A friend that did the testing with me said he'd buy it in a minute if it had that connection...
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I hope they do put the audio delay in. It'll make it so useful.
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Kris, thanks for the great review. I finally decided to break down and get a new universal bluray player. I am getting tired of the fickleness of my current player (Denon A1UDCI) when it comes to playing bluray movies. It plays my music disc's fine so I was thinking about just keeping it for music but unfortunately I have space issue in my credenza so that is probably not possible. I have narrowed it down to three players; the Azur 752BD, the Oppo BD105 and lastly the Marantz UD7007. Unfortunately although I see a lot of people own Marantz when it comes to pre-pro's and av's I am having trouble finding a lot of info on the Marantz UD7007 other than their website. I could not even find a forum for this player. I was curious if you or anyone else had any feedback on this unit?
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Kris, thanks for the great review. I finally decided to break down and get a new universal bluray player. I am getting tired of the fickleness of my current player (Denon A1UDCI) when it comes to playing bluray movies. It plays my music disc's fine so I was thinking about just keeping it for music but unfortunately I have space issue in my credenza so that is probably not possible. I have narrowed it down to three players; the Azur 752BD, the Oppo BD105 and lastly the Marantz UD7007. Unfortunately although I see a lot of people own Marantz when it comes to pre-pro's and av's I am having trouble finding a lot of info on the Marantz UD7007 other than their website. I could not even find a forum for this player. I was curious if you or anyone else had any feedback on this unit?

I wasn't aware that the Marantz UD7007 does not support 7.1 analog.eek.gif While I like Marantz products I personally wouldn't purchase the UD7007 for this egregious omission. This would also eliminate the Denon DBT-3313UDCI ($999.99 MSRP) for me.cool.gif

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if i send audio (coaxial) to preamp/processor and video (HDMI) to LED tv, will i got sync problems with 752?
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This for me is not an issue since I use & prefer HDMI to my Classe SSP800 prepro for bluray and all multichannel music disc's. I do prefer the 2-channel balanced analog outputs from my A1 to the Classe for all 2-channel music disc's. I like the fact that the Marantz has balanced 2-channel analog outputs and since I like how my Denon A1UDCI sounds for music I thought maybe the audio would closely resemble what I have now. I wish there was a comparison review somewhere between the Azur 752BD the Oppo 105 and the Marantz UD7007.
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This for me is not an issue since I use & prefer HDMI to my Classe SSP800 prepro for bluray and all multichannel music disc's. I do prefer the 2-channel balanced analog outputs from my A1 to the Classe for all 2-channel music disc's. I like the fact that the Marantz has balanced 2-channel analog outputs and since I like how my Denon A1UDCI sounds for music I thought maybe the audio would closely resemble what I have now. I wish there was a comparison review somewhere between the Azur 752BD the Oppo 105 and the Marantz UD7007.

It will come down to which DAC implementaion you prefer. Like the A1 the Oppo implements a 32 bit DAC. In the Cambridge you have the highly regarded Wolfson DACs and Cambridge does an excellent job of implementing this specific (I believe the WM8740) DAC. The Oppo is the most versitile of the bunch.

If you plan on using HDMI from your Classe why not something simpler from Cambridge, Oppo or Marantz?

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It will come down to which DAC implementaion you prefer. Like the A1 the Oppo implements a 32 bit DAC. In the Cambridge you have the highly regarded Wolfson DACs and Cambridge does an excellent job of implementing this specific (I believe the WM8740) DAC. The Oppo is the most versitile of the bunch.

If you plan on using HDMI from your Classe why not something simpler from Cambridge, Oppo or Marantz?

I have thought about going that route, but I still prefer using the 2-channel analog outs from my A1 to my Classe SSP800 for all 2-channel music even though the Classe is no slouch with 2-channel music with either HDMI or Coax. I am worried that since the A1 is already been in for repair twice that it may break down completely at some point and due to space restraints in my credenza I need one player that can give me both. Also like you mentioned the Oppo 105 has great versatility and may be the reason I go that way since it appears the audio quality for the Azur 752 BD and the Oppo 105 are comparable. I can't find enough information on the Marantz UD 7007 to go in that direction.
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if it's any consolation, I can attest that the 752BD is simply a gorgeous sounding player via 2 channel audio. The 752BD is also incredibly versatile; in fact, I will be eschewing an AVR or pre/pro altogether and using the 752 in that capacity.

Also, I was going to use the Marantz 7006 as my main player for the same reason-- the 7007's lack of analog outs. Never got a chance to implement it, however.
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if it's any consolation, I can attest that the 752BD is simply a gorgeous sounding player via 2 channel audio. The 752BD is also incredibly versatile; in fact, I will be eschewing an AVR or pre/pro altogether and using the 752 in that capacity.

Also, I was going to use the Marantz 7006 as my main player for the same reason-- the 7007's lack of analog outs. Never got a chance to implement it, however.

Thanks for your input. I have read a number of positive comments on this player. Since multichannel music disc's and bd disc's sound pretty good with my Classe SSP800 pre-pro the lack of multichannel analog outputs on Marantz UD7007 don't bother me to much although it would be nice to have that option. I still occasionally use them on my A1 especially on m/c sacd's.
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A while back, whathifi had done a comparo of the Arcam BDP100, Cambridge Audio Azur 751BD, Marantz UD7006 and Oppo BDP-95EU. The Marantz was the winner by the narrowest of margins, although the Oppo and CA both got 5 stars. Obviously, these are previous iterations of each player, and whathifi's credibility is somewhat suspect, but it's worth noting. I really don't think you can go perceptibly wrong among your options, especially for those specific needs. You can always opt for a modded Oppo and enjoy all the perks plus enhanced 2 channel playback smile.gif
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I am a now a proud owner of a new 752BD and so far it sounds great using playing SACDs and BluRay.
I am using it in place of my old pre/pro using 7.1 analog outputs from the 752BD to my amps. I also have my Cox cable box connected to the 752 via the coax input.
For some reason I am only getting sound out of my front left and right speakers.
Also is there a way to mute the sound since I no longer have a pre/pro. Thanks
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Can anyone confirm if the CA 752BD plays SACD-R? Thanks
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