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Old 05-10-2014, 11:27 AM
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Is there a direct link to Oppo Tech Support. The link on the Oppo UK web site is well, weird!?

They might ask you to contact http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/contact-us/support-form/

OppoDigital US is http://www.oppodigital.com/ContactUs.aspx
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Thanks... I've sent a report via the OppoDigital US link you posted wink.gif

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I can duplicate your truncation issue in the APE files, and I also duplicated the same thing in some APE files of my own making. (16/44). However I don't see it in 24/96 APE files that I have.
Do you happen to remember what level of compression was used to generate your 96.0KHz/24-bit.ape test files?

Earlier today I generated some using 'Compression 1' and they're still not played back gaplessly. The end of each track is still very, very slightly chopped off before moving onto the next track. I'll generate some more test files using 'Compression 2, 3, 4 and 5' and report back...

EDIT: I also received an e-mail today from Oppo regarding my bug report. They're very good aren't they wink.gif

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Do you happen to remember what level of compression was used to generate your 96.0KHz/24-bit.ape test files?

The file properties indicate "normal compression" and "47% compressed". That's the default in dbPoweramp, which I use for conversions. The choices are fast, normal, high, extra high and insane. Normal is the default. I used that in both the 24/96 and 16/44 conversions.
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The file properties indicate "normal compression" and "47% compressed". That's the default in dbPoweramp, which I use for conversions. The choices are fast, normal, high, extra high and insane. Normal is the default. I used that in both the 24/96 and 16/44 conversions.
Here are my results with 2Ch APE (44.1KHz/16-bit) gapless playback: -

Audio Sources: 7No 2Ch PCM (44.1KHz/16-bit).WAV files (123MB).
Audio Encoding Application: LameXP v4.10 Beta-2 (Build 1546 - 2014-05-04) which utilises binary v4.12 (2013-06-26).

When using: Compression 1 - Fast (72.0MB). The end of each track is slightly chopped off, before moving onto the next track.
When using: Compression 2 - Normal (70.9MB). The end of each track is chopped off a bit more, before moving onto the next track.
When using: Compression 3 - High (70.7MB). The end of each track is chopped off even more, before moving onto the next track.
When using: Compression 4 - Extra High (70.3MB). The end of each track is chopped off a lot more, before moving onto the next track.
When using: Compression 5 - Insane (70.1MB). There is no playback at all. Indeed you can't play the .ape audio file at all using this compression setting.

So the greater the 'compression level', the worse the playback becomes eek.gif

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Here are my results with 2Ch APE (96.0KHz/24-bit) gapless playback: -

Audio Sources: 7No 2Ch PCM (96.0KHz/24-bit).WAV files (403MB).
Audio Encoding Application: LameXP v4.10 Beta-2 (Build 1546 - 2014-05-04) which utilises binary v4.12 (2013-06-26).

When using: Compression 1 - Fast (234MB). The end of each track is slightly chopped off, before moving onto the next track.
When using: Compression 2 - Normal (202MB). The end of each track is chopped off a bit more, before moving onto the next track.
When using: Compression 3 - High (202MB). The end of each track is chopped off even more, before moving onto the next track.
When using: Compression 4 - Extra High (187MB). The playback it totally in-audible and garbled!
When using: Compression 5 - Insane (187MB). There is no playback at all. Indeed you can't play the .ape audio file at all using this compression setting.

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It would seem from the following response that Oppo have not understood the FLAC 'skipping' and APE 'chopped' issue: -
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We downloaded the FLAC files and can confirm that the files will be able to playback in a gapless manner using attached USB storage and engaging Gappless Play under the OPTIONS menu of the player.

Gapless APE will also work, but not if you are combining the two format types. You can only engage gapless playback when playing back the same media type, bit rate and sampling rate. If any of these three conditions are not met, then the gapless playback will not engage.

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^ Explain again, of course.

Yes, the files are engaging "Gapless", but it is not working correctly.

Add your new info on Compression dependencies.
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Okay, I've just sent Oppo the following email....
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Agreed, the FLAC files do indeed play back in a gapless manner but that's not the issue. The issue is that the second and successive FLAC files begin to skip. Please see my latest report here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466929/oppo-bdp-103-105-cue-files-gapless-playback-support/100_50#post_24704297

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To be honest, it is always best to write your responses direct, rather than linking to a AVS Forum thread. The OPPO CSR/Engineers may only be looking at your initial (linked to) post, and not successive posts. The language used in the later posts makes much clearer what your issues are versus your initial post from two days ago, so giving OPPO the latest information direct in the E-Mail would like result in better support in the future.
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EDIT: Nevermind. Not familiar enough with the songs that you have provided, but Golden Slumbers ends in a "Lullaby-ieee", so if you were just listening or Lullaby the transition sounds correct.
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A new Public Beta Test firmware has been released.

Release date: September 12, 2014
Main Version: BDP10X-77-0827B

According to the firmwares 'Special Notice' the following improvements (associated with this topic) have been implemented: -

07: Improved the Gapless Playback feature, and resolved an issue where the gapless mode could not be enabled for some 96 kHz / 24-bit WAV files.
08: Improved support for CUE files, specifically for CUE files that point to multiple WAV files.


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Multi target files in one cue

I saw that with interest too.


Has anyone got an example of a .cue file that works, which they could post, which shows how to insert references to multiple target files.


For example, here is the top part of one of my cue files for a 2 disc set. I have two cue files, one for each disc, but it is a live album so one cue file could play it all in one go (albeit with a fade out and fade in between discs)


Do I just paste in the 2nd cue file contents onto the end as I have done below???



PERFORMER"George Harrison"
TITLE "1992Live In Japan (Disc 1) (DSD 2Ch)"
FILE "1992Live In Japan (Disc 1) (DSD 2Ch).dff" DFF
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "I Want To Tell You"
PERFORMER "George Harrison"
ISRC GBEXP0300056
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Old Brown Shoe"
PERFORMER "George Harrison"
ISRC GBEXP0300057
INDEX 01 04:34:28
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "Taxman"
PERFORMER "George Har......... cue file truncated to shorten post ) ....


PERFORMER"George Harrison"
TITLE "1992Live In Japan (Disc 2) (DSD 2Ch)"
FILE "1992Live In Japan (Disc 2) (DSD 2Ch).dff" DFF
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "Cloud Nine"
PERFORMER "George Harrison"
ISRC GBEXP0300066
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:02:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Here Comes The Sun"
PERFORMER "George Har

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Simply add additional FILE lines for each file in the order you want them to play, followed by TRACK, INDEX, etc., info for each track contained in that file. Note that you will need to *INDENT* the lines following each FILE line, up to the next FILE line.

You'll need to have just one set of global information lines -- i.e., the lines that appear prior to the first FILE line. So you can't simply append the CUE files end to end.
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You guys are light years ahead of me on building cue files, etc. I'm just happy that I can get FLAC files on a USB drive to run gapless using the Oppo MediaControl app (iOS). Until today I didn't realize you could change playback to gapless by holding down a filename in the album folder to invoke gapless. This just made listening to Pink Floyd's Endless River much more enjoyable. When my media server is delivered next week I'm sure I'll be back here to figure out how this all works through the asynchronous input.

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Hey guys,



I just got a 105Dand so far it is perfect except for this issue. I tried cuetools but it did not work. After reading through this thread it seems like it had not really not been fixed.



I mostly listen to 24/96 needle drop files. I have been recording and playing from the computer using Sound forge 10.0. The 105 will play the files but not skip forward. I tried inserting CD tracks and or regions neither worked.



The 105 sound is pretty much equal to the computer, using the USB dac in my McIntosh C2500 pre. So if it turns out to be a big pain I may stick with the computer. Mostly I would like to use the 105 to help conserve energy, every little bit helps.
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Hello,
I have Oppo BDP-105D, new firmware: BDP10X-77-0827.
I can't play files (flac, wave) in gapless mode, also from a stream (NAS) and USB. There are short gaps, about 2 seconds, between tracks (for example The Wall). There is no problem when I play the music directly from CD. I ripped my CD - the same. When I play streaming music with for example using foobar2000 in PC there is no problem, unfortunately Oppo "adds" gaps. I ripped my CD once again- the same. Is it possible? What is wrong? What's going on? Would you help me?

I use Synology's NAS, streaming with foobar2000 or iphone.

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Hello,
I have Oppo BDP-105D, new firmware: BDP10X-77-0827.
I can't play files (flac, wave) in gapless mode, also from a stream (NAS) and USB. There are short gaps, about 2 seconds, between tracks (for example The Wall). There is no problem when I play the music directly from CD. I ripped my CD - the same. When I play streaming music with for example using foobar2000 in PC there is no problem, unfortunately Oppo "adds" gaps. I ripped my CD once again- the same. Is it possible? What is wrong? What's going on? Would you help me?

I use Synology's NAS, streaming with foobar2000 or iphone.

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You have to select Gapless each time you start playback. For the files on an attached hard drive, browse to the starting track using the player's media file browser. Instead of selecting that track (or pressing Play), press Option and choose Gapless from the list that pops up on screen. For streaming from an SMB (not DLNA) file server, you can also initiate Gapless, but in this case you need to use the iOS or Android MediaControl app from OPPO. In the app, browse to the starting track. Tap and Hold on that track for a moment and an option will appear to initiate Gapless.

If you've done it right, the on-screen Now Playing page will show "Gapless" above the displayed time line for the track now playing.
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You have to select Gapless each time you start playback. For the files on an attached hard drive, browse to the starting track using the player's media file browser. Instead of selecting that track (or pressing Play), press Option and choose Gapless from the list that pops up on screen. For streaming from an SMB (not DLNA) file server, you can also initiate Gapless, but in this case you need to use the iOS or Android MediaControl app from OPPO. In the app, browse to the starting track. Tap and Hold on that track for a moment and an option will appear to initiate Gapless.

If you've done it right, the on-screen Now Playing page will show "Gapless" above the displayed time line for the track now playing.
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Thank for your quick answer. Unfortunately I stream from an DLNA file server so I never can't initiate Gapless? Is it possible?

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^ It is not possible. You would need to rip your music into a single file. Depending on the capabilities of your DLNA server, you might be able to do that along with "CUE" files which let the DLNA server locate individual tracks for you within that single file.
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Hello,
I've just received reply from Oppo Europe.
"Dear Krzysztof

Gapless playback is under development and are only possible on USB streaming at the time, if you press the OPTION button on the remote when playing files the gapless menu should appear.

Best Regards
Bjorn
OPPO European Support Engineer"

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I have a question:

Since the cue file and the image (FLAC) must be in the same folder, how do I prevent the actual FLAC file from starting to play once playback from the cue has been completed? Do I have to always press the STOP button?
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Rest assured. It wont play...
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Yes it does. That is why I posed the question. As soon as the FLAC completes via the cuefile, the actual FLAC begins playing all over again.
Well, I've just tried playing a few of my stereo cue/flac files (via SMB) and I'm happy to confirm that they play exactly as they should do - ie: "the actual flac" file does not play all over again!

Indeed, I used two methods of cue file navigation and playback. The first was by using the Oppo BDP-103 player itself via its remote control. The second was by using the Oppo 'app' on my Android tablet - yes I have a tablet now

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Two abnormalities with cue File playback

Hi:

I recently purchased the OPPO BDP-103 and love it in every way.

However, there are two abnormalities I am experiencing with Cue File playback which is annoying. Now tell me if I am wrong but obviously the Cue File must be in the same folder as the FLAC image. Otherwise the FLAC would not be found. Note that all my music files are played on the OPPO via a 64gb USB flash drive.

Now here are the two problems I encountered:

1. After playback has been completed via the Cue File, the player then continues to play the actual FLAC file from the beginning as if there is no Cue File present in the folder. Shouldn't playback stop at the end of the Cue File?

2. When I scroll to a specific track within the cue file, playback many times starts about 4 seconds into the track instead of the beginning. Thus I miss the a small amount of music.

Any ideas on what might be causing this and how it can be rectified?

Thank you.

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^ Playing of the underlying FLAC file should not be happening. I'm still not sure what you might be doing to make that happen. The only thing I can figure is that the CUE file has a strangeness at the end which is replaying the FLAC from the beginning.

Track start issues can be due to the way the FLAC file is constructed and the CUE file that goes with it. Typically there are end of track and start of track delays. For Gapless transitions, there is no delay, but this can be implemented by having the first few seconds of the next track represented in the CUE file as the end of track gap for the previous track.

If you are not having this problem when you select the FIRST track, then this may be what's going on.

For an audio start delay when you select the FIRST track, that may be the HDMI handshake and muting in your AVR as it switches gears for the new format now coming in.
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Now tell me if I am wrong but obviously the Cue File must be in the same folder as the FLAC image. Otherwise the FLAC would not be found...
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Note that all my music files are played on the OPPO via a 64gb USB flash drive...
So you have a single cue file and a single .flac audio file within each of your music folders. And you are selecting the single cue file?

Which application did you use to generate your Flac audio files?
Have you run your Flac audio files through a tagging application (such as MP3Tag) to alter their meta-data?
Which firmware version do you currently have installed? Mine is: BDP10x**-77-0827...

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^ Playing of the underlying FLAC file should not be happening. I'm still not sure what you might be doing to make that happen. The only thing I can figure is that the CUE file has a strangeness at the end which is replaying the FLAC from the beginning.

Track start issues can be due to the way the FLAC file is constructed and the CUE file that goes with it. Typically there are end of track and start of track delays. For Gapless transitions, there is no delay, but this can be implemented by having the first few seconds of the next track represented in the CUE file as the end of track gap for the previous track.

If you are not having this problem when you select the FIRST track, then this may be what's going on.

For an audio start delay when you select the FIRST track, that may be the HDMI handshake and muting in your AVR as it switches gears for the new format now coming in.
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Thanks for your reply. The tracks are aligned correctly in the Cue File. I always check this via Foobar 2000. When I select a particular track in the cue file, I can see it jump to the three or four second mark on the display. So it does not start playing the track from zero.

Sorry you have no ideas why the FLAC file begins to play right after the end of the cue file. It is annoying. When I start the cue file from the beginning, I press "OK" on the remote. Would it make a difference if I press "Play" instead? Is there any command I can add to the end of the cue file, such as "STOP"?

Please note that I got around the AVR switching problem by adding a couple of seconds to the beginning of the file via Foobar 2000. There is a pregap DSP where I can set the number of milliseconds to be inserted at the very beginning. Works like a charm. Otherwise I sometimes lose the first couple of seconds of audio due to my AVR switching to multi-channel.
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This is correct.

So you have a single cue file and a single .flac audio file within each of your music folders. And you are selecting the single cue file?

Which application did you use to generate your Flac audio files?
Have you run your Flac audio files through a tagging application (such as MP3Tag) to alter their meta-data?
Which firmware version do you currently have installed? Mine is: BDP10x**-77-0827...
Thanks for your reply. I always select the Cue File and then it opens up to show me all the tracks. I usually highlight the first one and press "OK" (should I have pressed "Play" instead)? I did that just a little while ago to play a Shostakovich Symphony. When it got to the end, instead of stopping the actual FLAC file started to play.

I create the files via foobar 2000. Since Foobar 2000 only creates multi track files with cue for WAV, I do the initial creation using WAV first. Then I convert WAV to FLAC and edit the cue file to change the file name to .flac.

As soon as I received my OPPO, I immediately installed the latest firmware (ending in 0827).

I do not use MP3Tag with cue files. I edit the cue file directly to change titles, etc. if necessary.

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Thanks for your reply. I always select the Cue File and then it opens up to show me all the tracks. I usually highlight the first one and press "OK" (should I have pressed "Play" instead)?
I press 'OK' too.

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I did that just a little while ago to play a Shostakovich Symphony. When it got to the end, instead of stopping the actual FLAC file started to play.
I'm wondering if your flac files duration might be an issue here. I've not tested a flac file that's been longer than 66 min 12 sec.

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I create the files via foobar 2000. Since Foobar 2000 only creates multi track files with cue for WAV, I do the initial creation using WAV first. Then I convert WAV to FLAC and edit the cue file to change the file name to .flac.
Personally, I use an application called CUEripper, which is able to create the cue file and encode directly to flac along with meta-data and cover image.

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As soon as I received my OPPO, I immediately installed the latest firmware (ending in 0827).
Good. As there have been issues with previous firmware releases.

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I do not use MP3Tag with cue files. I edit the cue file directly to change titles, etc. if necessary.
I edit the cue file (that CUEripper generates), as it tends to write a whole bunch of superfluous information. I also run the flac file through MP3Tag to remove any superfluous meta-data that's been added.

Well this is most odd. Can you post an example of one of your .cue files please?

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I press 'OK' too.

I'm wondering if your flac files duration might be an issue here. I've not tested a flac file that's been longer than 66 min 12 sec.

Personally, I use an application called CUEripper, which is able to create the cue file and encode directly to flac along with meta-data and cover image.

Good. As there have been issues with previous firmware releases.

I edit the cue file (that CUEripper generates), as it tends to write a whole bunch of superfluous information. I also run the flac file through MP3Tag to remove any superfluous meta-data that's been added.

Well this is most odd. Can you post an example of one of your .cue files please?
Thanks for your reply.

CueRipper does not handle multi-channel or 24 bit files. That is why I use foobar.

Here is the cue file for the Shostakovich symphony which I played on the OPPO yesterday. The actual FLAC file started playing as soon as the cue finished. Note that the audio property of the FLAC file is 24 bit, 44.1KHz, 6 channels, 48 minutes 16 seconds, size = 1.14GB.

REM DATE 2005
PERFORMER "Gurzenich-Orchester Koln, DmitirJ Kitajenko"
TITLE "Shostakovich: Symphony No.5 in D Minor Op.47"
FILE "Shostakovich Symphony No 5.flac" WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "I. Moderato"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "II. Allegretto"
INDEX 01 16:32:71
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "III. Largo"
INDEX 01 22:08:63
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "IV. Allegro non troppo"
INDEX 01 36:37:23
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CueRipper does not handle multi-channel or 24 bit files. That is why I use foobar.
Ah okay, you're having issues playing 'multi-channel' flac files... I'll try playing some of my own multi-channel flac files and report back.

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