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I hear that all or at least brand name bluray players have the same picture quality. What makes the Oppo's stand out so much? I am not putting them down I just want to learn. Most players now days come with internet streaming etc so what makes Oppo special?
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You'd be best looking and asking in the Oppo thread. They can tell you the differences between Oppo and normal consumer brands that you find in the retail stores.

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Good looks, a winning personality, and a name that's still cute if you spell it upside down.

What's not to love?

Oh wait, you wanted a "marketing" answer?

Hmmm, they offer consistently innovative players with legendary customer service, at prices which are considered bargains by folks who actually want all that these players bring to the table. To do this, they don't try to hit ALL the price points the usual name brands are trying to fill, and they don't bring out a whole crop of new players every couple months rather than fixing issues in players people have already purchased.

Or was it that you wanted a "technical" answer?

Well that's tricky, because any feature I might toss out (e.g., try to find a Sony player that plays DVD-Audio discs), you might readily say, "But that's not something I want to do." And that's fine. It is the COMBINATION of this stuff -- stuff you would use the player for now, and stuff you'd have the option of exploring later -- that makes the difference. Any of your other Blu-ray players play DSD files from hard drives? You may not even know what that means, and again, no argument. But ask folks who DO care and you'll find it a big deal.

The vast majority of players being sold today also give short shrift to Analog audio output. Maybe you don't want to use that. But if you do, there's a HUGE difference between Analog audio implementations out there, and the OPPO players are typically rated up with players costing several times their price.

Picture Quality is much tougher to get your arms around. Most players will do a competent job of rendering what's on the disc, particularly for Blu-ray discs (which are easier to deal with than Standard DVD discs). The differences are often technical and usually subtle. Most people won't be sensitive to the differences. Far and away the most important factor in Picture Quality is getting your entire chain of video hardware properly "calibrated" to display this stuff correctly -- the player, the Receiver, and the TV. There are certainly examples out there of players that screw up, but most of the time, if you have a Picture Quality problem it is because something is not set up right in your video chain.

Another factor is performance. The current OPPO players are about as fast as you can get at the moment.

Really the thing to do is go to the top of the first post in the OPPO BDP-103 or BDP-105 thread and check out the Unofficial FAQ for a quick look at technical capabilities. You can also download the Manual for both players (PDF files) from the OPPO Digital web site.

Then start browsing the owner's threads and ask questions if you get confused. And perhaps the most confusing thing ABOUT those threads is the wide variety of different TYPES of uses people are tackling with the players.

But perhaps that's too MUCH information. What you really want is a player just to play Blu-ray discs and keep it simple. Well, you really may be happier with one of the $100 players out there. Lots of people are -- way WAY more of those players are sold than OPPOs. But keep following along and if something comes up that intrigues you, maybe that's the time to try an OPPO. They offer an easy, 30 day return policy if it doesn't work out (all you risk is the shipping).

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Good looks, a winning personality, and a name that's still cute if you spell it upside down.

Not to mention that people who use Oppo hardware are just very cool, and awesome. cool.gif
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Not to mention that people who use Oppo hardware are just very cool, and awesome. cool.gif

Ummm! yeah! totally! everybody knows that! cool.gif
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I'm new to the player scene, but I would LOVE an Oppo player. It has a number of features I would love to have, as well as high quality video output for both Blu-Ray and DVD disks.
My problem is the price. I can't afford to put $500 down on a player. If I had the money to burn, I would jump on the BDP-103. It has everything I want. The 105 is nice, but I will never need that kind of stuff.

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Not to mention that people who use Oppo hardware are just very cool, and awesome. cool.gif

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Quality! When a name brand player breaks down and no longer works, one usually throws it away and buys another. In the VERY rare and unusual case of an Oppo failing, one sends it in for a "less than you'd expect" repair. Quite often they won't charge for out of warranty work. No better customer service, PERIOD!

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Yes what are DSD files?
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Yes what are DSD files?

First google search result gives you the answer.
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First google search result gives you the answer.

Googled on Wikipedia and it stands for Direct Stream Digital. Still not a clear explanation on the subject.
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Googled on Wikipedia and it stands for Direct Stream Digital. Still not a clear explanation on the subject.

It's a High-Rez digital audio format first used on SACD. There are also DSD files that can be played with some media players.
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How do Oppo's compare to Momitsu?
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^ Your best bet is to take player comparison questions to the OFFICIAL "HELP ME CHOOSE A PLAYER" THREAD:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/959985/official-help-me-choose-a-player-thread-cant-decide-start-here

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Oppo has subtitle shifting feature which you need it on 2.35 screen setup.
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I have given this a thought or two in the past. Now I have used several of their models and they are very nice and in many cases the perfect choice for someone. With this in mind I think these are a few factors (among others...)

 

  • Believe it or not the packaging - I can never understand why people go on and on about being placed in a bag.
  • Expensive enough that everyone won't buy one and not expensive enough that one can't buy one if they really want one.
  • Exclusive - you can't buy them at a store so you're smart to find out about them and take advantage of what they offer.
  • Like old school construction - it's more than performance. Higher quality build material is superior in and of itself.

 

Sure many take advantage of their unique features however at the same time I think a great many simply enjoy being connected to their mantra.

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I bought an Oppo back in 2008 - wound up returning it because there was an odd greenish tint to the picture. I picked up a Samsung and felt that it had a better picture. The technology built into BR players is constantly evolving i.e. 3-D, DLNA, apps, web access, etc. Unless you need features specific to Oppo why not buy a Samsung, Sony, Panny, etc. that has good reviews/ratings. Then with the money you save consider upgrading more often to stay more current with emerging technologies.
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My #1 reason for buying an Oppo Blu-ray player was their consistent track record with firmware update support versus almost any other brand in the industry. They stay on top of updates and have a good track record for releasing relatively bug-free packages. Samsung (with the BDP1400) might release a new firmware every 6-10 months, and it would be a buggy gamble to install it.

My #2 reason for buying an Oppo Blu-ray player was that the analogue audio output section was good enough to justify replacing a standalone CD player. I don't consider myself a golden-ears audiophile, but having experienced CD audio over Toslink on old Denon DVD and subsequent Samsung Blu-ray players I kept going back to a standalone CD player for quality analogue L/R audio. After reading reviews of Oppo players and finally picking one up for Blu-ray playback, I found that it did CD playback very well - on par with my dedicated player (now passed on to a friend).

My #3 reason for buying an Oppo Blu-ray player was the network media support via DLNA, which admittedly isn't on the same level as my HTPC, but I didn't have the HTPC at the time I originally bought the Oppo. The Oppo gave me access to all of my MP3 and FLAC media files stored on a NAS.

My #4 reason for buying an Oppo Blu-ray player is build quality. Solid construction, understated design, quiet and smooth function. By comparison the two Samsung Blu-ray players I've historically owned generated all manner of whirs, buzzes and disc noise - and BOTH of which failed within 2 years.

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From what I understand the company is out of California but are the players manufactured in the US or China?
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I bought 105 mainly for its audio qualities. Before I briefly had 93.
Even with 93 my family immodestly noticed video quality difference when I switched back to my old Panasonic bd-30
I sold my receiver and got 105 and never looked back
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I bought 105 mainly for its audio qualities. Before I briefly had 93.
Even with 93 my family immodestly noticed video quality difference when I switched back to my old Panasonic bd-30
I sold my receiver and got 105 and never looked back
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The players are manufactured in China I believe but that doesn't necessarily imply they suck :-)

I've only used Oppo players (blu and dvd) over the last few years and here's some of the reasons why:

1) Full size (or nearly so) components... I cannot stand these little sh***y players that are sold by nearly every other manufacturer. A personal quirk of mine :-)
2) subtitle shift... we have a 2:35 aspect screen with anamorphic lens in our home theater and watch enough movies with subtitles that sometimes require the subtitle shift feature the Oppo provides.
3) source direct capability
4) Oppo seems to stand by their product... I just had our BDP-83 serviced (faulty disk tray) at no cost (other than the cost to ship it to them)... they acknowledged the well known disk tray problem with the 83 and fixed it for free (nearly) even though the warranty expired over 2 years ago.
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I like them because:

1) They tend to have every feature I'm looking for, plus about twice as many features I wasn't looking for. Of the features I wasn't looking for, I end up making use of a few of them in the long run. Some would say I'm wasting money on features I won't use, and they'd probably be right. But sometimes I just don't know what features I'll want a few years in advance.
2) They tend to be built like tanks. Fine, sleek, elegant tanks, but tanks nonetheless. They will outlast your need for them. Again, some would consider it a waste to buy a device that lasts for 10-15 years if you're going to replace it earlier--but I can't predict what I may want to do with it a few years down the line.
3) They have excellent service. For the odd time when you get a lemon, their replacement policy and service is really top notch. Even for lesser service calls, their customer service just can't be beat. And don't forget--all Blu-ray players are effectively obsolete the day they stop getting firmware updates, due to loose authoring standards. I don't particularly like this fact, but it is some consolation that Oppo provides good-quality long-term firmware support for their gear, and it will still work well for discs released years from now.
4) They tend to be mod-friendly. If you watch a lot of foreign films, region mods are a necessary addition. And of course good support for PAL-encoded video, etc.
5) They strive for A/V perfection. No device is ever perfect, but Oppos are consistently top-tier for A/V quality. You mentioned that all mainstream Blu-ray players have the same video quality--while this is true for Blu-rays (notwithstanding some minor colorspace issues where Oppos tend to be better), it is decidedly NOT true for DVDs.

All of these things a reasonable person could decide to do without, but for me they provide enough value to be worth the cost. Also, this is not so much about brand loyalty as it is about proven track record. Should quality start slipping for them, I wouldn't hesitate to look elsewhere. In 10-15 years when this one finally dies wink.gif
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I have no earthly idea why Oppo's are so popular.
They are overly expensive, most of the features of note offered on an Oppo are not used by 99% of the blu-ray watching population, their firmware seems to be fairly buggy necessitating constant firmware updates & there are a fair number of other manufacturer's models available that do everything 99.9% of the blu-ray watching community cares about with perfectly fine quality and reliability at far less than half the price of an Oppo blu-ray player.
However, some earlier comments have pointed out the "exclusive club" dynamic that seems to surround and envelope Oppo owners - and I have often read that there is value in feeling good about how your "stuff" looks and makes you feel. I feel that way about my sports car (terribly inefficient, mediocre reliability, attracts state troopers like ants to sugar . . and I love it!), so I can understand. cool.gif

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I guess no one who responded ever watches DVDs anymore. Oppo's early claim to fame (which still stands) is outstanding up conversion of DVD to hidef. I have a lot of concert DVDs and quite a few classic movies on DVD. There are some newer players coming close but for the money it is hard to beat the picture quality of a DVD played on an Oppo. Add in remarkable customer service and component selection/build quality and you get a strong value proposition for folks who care about video reproduction. Excellent analog stereo or multi-channel audio is frosting for those who also like their music without the video.

Not for everyone to be sure, but I've had an on-again / off-again AV hobby since the later 60s and Oppo is touh to beat for that portion of the market that appreciates measurable performance.

Lots of good players out there, Oppo may not be the best fit for everyone.

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If you take into account that Oppo 105 replaced $800 DAC, onkyo 805 receiver, $300 dollar preamp and blue-ray player in my system and it also serves as media server - I think it is an incredible bargain for what you get in terms of sound quality and functionality.
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If you take into account that Oppo 105 replaced $800 DAC, onkyo 805 receiver, $300 dollar preamp and blue-ray player in my system and it also serves as media server - I think it is an incredible bargain for what you get in terms of sound quality and functionality.

Wow - I had no idea the Oppo 105 blu-ray player includes pre and power amplification, device switching, hard drive, FM tuner, etc. Pretty cool.

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Wow - I had no idea the Oppo 105 blu-ray player includes pre and power amplification, device switching, hard drive, FM tuner, etc. Pretty cool.
With the exception of power amp and FM tuner - you are 100% correct. Even hard drive you can plug in via USB, or play content from any network share in your network via Ethernet
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With the exception of power amp and FM tuner - you are 100% correct. Even hard drive you can plug in via USB, or play content from any network share in your network via Ethernet
There's also no phono preamp so if your audio world includes vinyl, you still need a preamp or preamp section in a receiver. You are also limited as to how many simultaneous devices you can route through the BDP-10X units as compared to all but the most basic receivers. For some people, these Oppos can eliminate the need for a preamp but hardly for everyone.

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Funny, I was asked this just this week. My cousin who lives out of state spent a few days with us while he attended a friends wedding and just could not believe how much I paid for some of my AV equipment. When he asked about the Oppo which is a brand he has never heard of and the price of it. He just had to know what made it so special.

My response is, your taking things out of context. I would not expect someone who bought a $600 tv to go out and buy a $500 blu ray player but it would be silly for someone who has spent $5,000 or more for a display or projector to go out and buy a $100 blu ray player. Yes the lower priced player may be as good but purchasing an Oppo gave me peace of mind. I know the Oppo has reference quality playback, build quality, customer service and that was easily worth the extra cost. So to answer your question OP, what makes the Oppo so special. For me, it's peace of mind and you can't put a price on that.

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