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Please post 4K Blu ray players that upscale to 4K, even ones that have been announced, rumored, etc. I'll compile them here

LG BP730 http://www.lg.com/us/blu-ray-players/lg-BP730-blu-ray-player

oppo BDP-103 & BDP-105 http://www.oppodigital.com/

Panasonic BDT330 http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/DMP-BDT330

Panasonic BDT360 http://www.shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/DMP-BDT360

SAMSUNG BD-F7500 https://www.samsung.com/us/video/blu-ray-dvd/BD-F7500/ZA

SONY BDP-S790 http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666436490

SONY BDP-S6200 https://store.sony.com/sony-dual-core-blu-ray-disc-player-4k-upscaling-zid27-BDPS6200/cat-27-catid-All-Blu-ray-DVD-Players

Sony PlayStation 4 http://us.playstation.com/ps4/

XBOX One http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/meet-xbox-one

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Oppo BDP-105

 

But none of them include HDMi 2.0

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The Oppo BDP-103 as well.

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Sony BDP-S790 and Panasonic BDT330.

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My Sharp Q+ automatically upgrades Blu-ray films to closely match a 4K film (or at least this is what they say). Personally regardless of it does this or not I must say the picture is outstanding. My question is....is there any advantage to my set to get these Blu-ray players that also upgrade the resolution to 4K? Is there a real value? Will it improve my picture?

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I'm curious as well if the oppo 103 conversion is useful for non 4k tvs?
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I'm curious as well if the oppo 103 conversion is useful for non 4k tvs?
Conversion to 4K for a non-4K display? I'm not following that. What do you mean?

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I'm curious as well if the oppo 103 conversion is useful for non 4k tvs?
The answer is "no." Upscaling to 4k will only work on a 4k display.
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I'm curious as well if the oppo 103 conversion is useful for non 4k tvs?
If you are talking about DVD conversion then on 1080p screen, then yes. Else, No.

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Explanation needed: 4k blu ray upscaling

I'll start off by saying that I understand by the time I have the correct answer to this question and the obviousness behind it, I'll more than likely want to delete this post. But for all that May have this same question I decided to ask for clarification.

Setting the stage.

I have a Panasonic GT50 and have been looking at 4k replacements.

That being said, I know that 4k (UHD) are natively built to upscale. So, this brings me to my question , what is the point of a 4k upscaling blu ray player if the tv is already going to upscale the image for you?

The reason I ask this question is because if I can get a better picture from an upscaling blu ray player than I would buy one. I also understand that 4k means 4 times the resolution and with a 1080p tv how would I expect to have a device add more lines...

Thanks in advance guys.
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First, 4k upscaling by a player won't work unless you have a 4k display (thus it won't work at all with a 1080p display). Second, with a 4k display and a 4k upscaling player, it comes down to which does a better job upscaling.
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As BillP stated, The content will eventually have to be upconverted to UHD. Either the source (blu ray player) or the TV will do that. Many Blu Ray players' manufacturers have a tendency to make you believe, based on their marketing, that you need an upscaling player to watch content. They did a similar thing with 1080p upconverting. Even the TV manufacturers use upconversion on their UHD marketing saying "it even upconverts your HD signals to UHD". If TV's did not upconvert, UHD tvs would only be able to display UHD input. You think manufacturers are having a hard time pushing UHD tv now, just think if they didn't upconvert, the marketing would be like "Buy our $5,000 55' TV, and you can watch you tube video's, house of cards on netflix, and still photography in beautifull UHD!!!" with an asterik on the bottom saying "please note that all other content wil result in a blank screen, including all TV programming, native Blu Ray and pretty much everything else you want to watch". That isn't to say that there aren't any players/tv's with significantly better scaling/upconverting than others, but the fact that it "upconverts" alone is really pretty silly marketing when you think about it. This industry has adopted so many silly marketing tools (600hz plasmas, LED tvs, upconversion, 240hz w/instant soap opera-ization etc...) to sell their products over the years that it really seems ridiculous to those of us that know.
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If UHD TVs didn't upconvert, instead of a blank screen, I would expect a 1080p show to take a fourth of the screen space (half the width, half the height), occupying as many lines and pixels as the format feeding it (1920 pixels across by 1080 lines high), and similar for lower resolutions.

For example, my 50-in HDTV has display size of 43.6 in x 24.5 in. I would hate to trade it for a 50-in UTV that would display in these sizes:
ResolutionWidth (in) x height (in)Image Size (diagonal in)
2160p43.6 x 24.550.0
1080p21.8 x 12.2525.0
720p14.5 x 8.1716.6
480 anamorphic (16:9)9.67 x 5.4411.1
480 SD (4:3)7.25 x 5.449.1 (talk about "postage stamp"!)
How many people would pay for a 50-in UTV if most currently available content occupied a small portion of the screen? If they did this, the UTVs would be dead on arrival.

Instead, every modern fixed-pixel TV that I am aware of (including LCD, LED/LCD, Plasma) will rescale the incoming video format to make reasonable use of the screen. So then the question becomes: do I rescale the image into the TV's native format before passing the image on to the TV so the TV just displays what it receives, or do I send the original image to the TV and let the TV's built-in rescaler rescale for the display, or do I do some rescaling before feeding the signal to the TV and let the TV do additional rescaling? This third (the double-rescaling) is almost always the worst choice.

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4K upscaling

I am planning to purchase the Samsung HU8550 or HU8700 that have 4K upscaling built-in. My question is whether the upscaling in the display is basically equal, better or worse than the upscaling available in Sony or Samsung BD players. I recognize that the Oppo players are in a class by themselves and at a higher price point. My question is directed at the lower cost Sony or Samsung players.
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Just a thought, good chance that whatever new 4K players we get next year will probably also upscale 1080p discs. Might want to just let the TV sets do the up scaling for now. and spend the cash on real 4K players next year
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Good suggestion BlackRiderX. Thanks.
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FYI...
My Samsung 8550 upscales better than my Sony BDP-S6200... The Sony appears softer.

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I've always found Sony scaling to be soft. I personally prefer Panasonic's scaling over Sony in the mass consumer market of players.

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My Sharp Q+ automatically upgrades Blu-ray films to closely match a 4K film (or at least this is what they say). Personally regardless of it does this or not I must say the picture is outstanding. My question is....is there any advantage to my set to get these Blu-ray players that also upgrade the resolution to 4K? Is there a real value? Will it improve my picture?

Look forward to your replay!
Hi, my Dad have this same setup... Sharp Q+(SQ) and it automatically upgrades content and look very good compared to his last setup.

Last week he bought a BDPS6200, and we didnt see a drastic improvement, its hard to tell a difference. I told him that this TV already has a chip that upscales, and that we should leave it to the tv to do the job. But my questions is, when you have a Player with an upscaling chip and the tv also has one, how do you know which one is doing the job upscaling?

Then whats the point of bluray upscaling player? if the TV does it for you...

And for the OP , I dont think PS4 and Xbox1 does 4k upscaling... but his post was written on 2013 so...

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when you have a Player with an upscaling chip and the tv also has one, how do you know which one is doing the job upscaling?
Both of my TVs have an "Info" button on the remote that, when pressed, will display some information about the signal it is receiving, e.g., "720p" or "1080p". If that number is not the same as the TV's native resolution, the TV is rescaling that signal. On the other hand, if that number does not match the resolution of the disc you have in the Blu-ray player (typically 480 for DVD, 1080 for Blu-ray, though Blu-ray discs can have video at other resolutions), the Blu-ray player is rescaling. And if that number differs from both the TV's native resolution and the disc's resolution, both are rescaling (which normally is not recommended).

Neither of my TVs will indicate whether it is receiving at 24, 30, or 60 frames per second, and that can have a bearing on whether the TV or the Blu-ray player (or both) is doing motion interpolation or doing pull-down.

If your TV doesn't have the resolution when the "Info" button is pressed or has no way to display that information, or you want to dig to find out which is doing the frame pull-down, it may take some digging into the Blu-ray configuration menu to see if the Blu-ray player is rescaling. (Don't forget that some Blu-ray players may inquire from the TV what resolutions the TV handles and might or might-not rescale to the best resolution of the TV and Blu-ray player can both mutually handle.)

For example, I had to dig into my Blu-ray players to specifically enable sending 24 frames per second to the TV via HDMI.

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Then whats the point of bluray upscaling player? if the TV does it for you...
It may be a matter of which device has the better upscaling. The only way to tell for sure is to try having the TV do the upscaling (which the TV will do automatically when presented a signal at lower resolution than the TV's native resolution), and on the same material have the Blu-ray player do the upscaling (which the TV will NOT do if the TV receives the signal in its native resolution), and flip-flop between the two for various program material (including action scenes or sports plays).

The reason why I emphasize that you want to try both scalers on the same material is that one could easily be misled if one device upscales a good source, and the other upscales a great source, leading one to decide on the basis of the quality of the source material instead of on what the scalers can accomplish. Even within the same movie, for example, some scenes may be shot with crystal sharpness, and other scenes may have a "soft focus" to hide wrinkles and blemishes, which again means having to compare the exact same scenes as rendered by both scalers.

My very humble setup:
Man Cave:Vizio E500i-A1 "Smart TV" (50-in 1080p 120Hz LED/LCD, has Netflix app.), Blu-ray players (Sony BDP-S3100, old LG BD390), Roku (the original model: N1000), PC (Windows 7), Comcast Internet (25Mbps/5Mbps).
Bedroom:LG 32LV3400-UA TV (32-in 768p 60Hz LED/LCD), HD DVR (Motorola RNG200N), Xfinity Comcast cable (Digital Starter Package), DVD/VHS player.

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Well we have the new Pioneer Elite Reference Player BDP-88FD looks very very promising not too much specs as yet but enough to raise your eye brow and go hmmmmm


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Both of my TVs have an "Info" button on the remote that, when pressed, will display some information about the signal it is receiving, e.g., "720p" or "1080p". If that number is not the same as the TV's native resolution, the TV is rescaling that signal. On the other hand, if that number does not match the resolution of the disc you have in the Blu-ray player (typically 480 for DVD, 1080 for Blu-ray, though Blu-ray discs can have video at other resolutions), the Blu-ray player is rescaling. And if that number differs from both the TV's native resolution and the disc's resolution, both are rescaling (which normally is not recommended).

Neither of my TVs will indicate whether it is receiving at 24, 30, or 60 frames per second, and that can have a bearing on whether the TV or the Blu-ray player (or both) is doing motion interpolation or doing pull-down.

If your TV doesn't have the resolution when the "Info" button is pressed or has no way to display that information, or you want to dig to find out which is doing the frame pull-down, it may take some digging into the Blu-ray configuration menu to see if the Blu-ray player is rescaling. (Don't forget that some Blu-ray players may inquire from the TV what resolutions the TV handles and might or might-not rescale to the best resolution of the TV and Blu-ray player can both mutually handle.)

For example, I had to dig into my Blu-ray players to specifically enable sending 24 frames per second to the TV via HDMI.



It may be a matter of which device has the better upscaling. The only way to tell for sure is to try having the TV do the upscaling (which the TV will do automatically when presented a signal at lower resolution than the TV's native resolution), and on the same material have the Blu-ray player do the upscaling (which the TV will NOT do if the TV receives the signal in its native resolution), and flip-flop between the two for various program material (including action scenes or sports plays).

The reason why I emphasize that you want to try both scalers on the same material is that one could easily be misled if one device upscales a good source, and the other upscales a great source, leading one to decide on the basis of the quality of the source material instead of on what the scalers can accomplish. Even within the same movie, for example, some scenes may be shot with crystal sharpness, and other scenes may have a "soft focus" to hide wrinkles and blemishes, which again means having to compare the exact same scenes as rendered by both scalers.
Thanks for replying.

Did both tests for the "info button" on both devices and always showed 1080p. We tried turning some settings on/off and retrying again. With same results.

We even saw the picture identical, but gave the edge to the Sharp tv upscaling. We also tried a Panasonic BDT360 and to my surprise the image quality was inferior to the Sony. We ended changing the BDP-S6200 for a 5200 (same one but without 4k upscaling).
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