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I have not tried it on Blu-ray, and most likely won't, but its my opinion that while the Darbee helps many scenes, it also makes compression issues more noticeable. Off for me and all other pic mode settings on zero smile.gif

Then it is pointless to spend the extra $100.
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Videophiles love toys like this $100 is nothing to them.

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Pointless for who? You, me, someone else? Depends on the person.

I agree, to someone like me, the $100 is no big deal to have the newest model with all the features I may or may not want to use. A lot of folks like Darbee, and to be honest I had a Darblet and sold it. It wasnt my expectation to like it any more this time smile.gif

One thing I do like is that I know nothing is messing with the HDMI 1 out in this model, if I have everything to 0 or Off, and that is the way it should be.

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aI have an external Darblet that I use with my 105 connected through my Anthem D2v Prepro and it doesn't streak in dark scenes at all. I have it at HD 80% mode on my 60" Kuro Elite Plasma. I'm sitting 17 feet away from my plasma. I'm sitting in a completely darkened room(except for the light of my laptop I'm using to type this message) watching a UFO sightings program on the Discovery Channel:)  ... Black night sky backgrounds with no visible streaks.

17 feet away! I have a 10 feet wide screen and I sit 9 feet away smile.gif I like to be in the picture, when I get a 4K projector I will probably sit one foot closer tongue.gif
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There will be an HDMI 2.0 model coming Im sure. My best guess would be 12 months from now smile.gif

Yes 2014 we will see every one with HDMi 2.0 or 2.1! Except of course the high end that will take at least several years for them to catch up as usual rolleyes.gif
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I just sold my 103 and the darbee after I saw this player coming out. Should I go ahead and buy this 103d or is there a 4k bluray player coming out? Im not very technical so help is much appreciated.

There's no such thing as "4K bluray", nor is it a certainty there ever will be. Players that might be able to play 4K media could be on the horizon, but its not something worth waiting for. When there's a decent catalog of 4K content available, then you can worry about it.
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There's no such thing as "4K bluray", nor is it a certainty there ever will be. Players that might be able to play 4K media could be on the horizon, but its not something worth waiting for. When there's a decent catalog of 4K content available, then you can worry about it.

Today, but FYI Sony, Panasonic and other are working on 4K BlurayRebates with 300GB Capacity, so I would not say never!
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I think the 4K discs are coming and the players will be there as well, it's not if, it's when. Im not too concerned about HDMI 2.0 though, I wont be upgrading to all of that until it makes sense.

For anyone curious, Im using the 103D with a Directv HR44 sending out 720p/60 and 1080i/60. Oppo sends 1080p/60 to my Onkyo 818. Im not having any issues that stand out other than when I come out of FFW'd, say thru commercials, its takes a second or two for the audio to come back. With the HR44 connected to the Onkyo, I do not have this issue. As a correction, when I come out of FFW'd with the play button, I jump back once or twice. That puts me into the end of the commercial break so the audio comes back before the show starts again.

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Hi

DigitalAV I don't have the times when the streaks were noticeable, but the DVDs I played were they were noticeable were The Deep and Basic. The blurays were Get The Gringo and The last Harry Potter movie. I purposely choose Harry Potter due to its abundant dark scenes (May I add it performed excellent but noticed the streaks on a couple of scenes) Get The Gringo also had a couple of scenes. I tried to have a diverse viewing so I choose old and fairly new movies.

I will play a couple of more dvds and blurays and see how they do.

At this point I wont use Darbee on DVDs, but Blurays, as I said before, the trade off is worth,it to use darbee.

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Rob, what you are describing sounds like the "text bridging" artifact that the Darbee processing can introduce at high settings.

It's not just with text, but I think that is where it is most strongly noted. And it's not something you see with clean "white on black" text. You'll tend to notice it more when the background behind the area in question is busy or foggy. I think the contrast enhancement algorithms get tripped up there.

This is why most people recommend using the Darbee in the HD mode at 30-35. At that level, these artifacts are mostly eliminated and you still get the nice subtle depth cue/contrast enhancement. If you jack up the level so high, you are going to see artifacts with certain types of material. But the high level settings look way overcooked anyway.

And the bottom line is that the Darbee works best with the best quality material. Clean blu-rays is where it really shines. It's not going to be nearly as useful for low def DVDs, etc...
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^ I certainly doesn't help seeing various early looks from BDP-103D reviewers showing DVP levels at zero and 75 as comparisons for example. This can actually misdirect the user into thinking those are average levels to be used with DVP operation. As you said if you utilize 30 to 35 level using HD mode for example you will get a nice gain in depth cue/contrast enhancement with most BD content without any visible artifacts. Regarding the fog background with Harry Potter, yes we have also noticed that, however majority of titles don't evidence that type of modulation streak artifacts. Any particular time point with various films would be useful to know. Thanks. smile.gif

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I still find it odd that the tech works best on a format that really does need enhancement. I guess I'll have to try it on a couple of blu-rays. How does it work with 3D, Im watching Star Trek Into Darkness 3D tonight and could turn it on 40% or so.

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I still find it odd that the tech works best on a format that really does need enhancement. I guess I'll have to try it on a couple of blu-rays. How does it work with 3D, Im watching Star Trek Into Darkness 3D tonight and could turn it on 40% or so.

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Can someone provide specific titles and times so that I can test the black band streaking?

For what it's worth, I'm not seeing any "dark scenes" problems with Darbee enabled in my usual list of better quality test discs (both SD-DVD and Blu-ray), nor on low light level test charts from SD-DVD and Blu-ray calibration discs.

So I don't think there's a systemic problem here. Presuming there's something going on here that can be confirmed, it may be specific to the particular choice of video output settings (e.g., Color Space), or the like -- e.g., specific to some displays. All of this is just speculation of course until we see if others (including OPPO) can spot it when details (title and time code) get posted.

Once again, if there really is an issue it may not be Darbee itself, but simply some interaction with the rest of the video processing chain when Darbee happens to be enabled.



For anyone seeing an issue, keep in mind that proper video calibration is CRITICAL when judging quality of dark scenes. Since you have a new player, possibly connected into different input sockets on the AVR or Display, please do start by checking your video calibration with a good test disc, such as the new, version 2 "Spears & Munsil", Blu-ray. Do this even if you know your display is professionally calibrated as it is easy to make simple setup mistakes (such as failing to select that set of calibrated settings) when adding a new Source device.
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Hi guys

If I have time Ill put in a DVD and Bluray and compare 30 and 55 settings.

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So I don't think there's a systemic problem here. Presuming there's something going on here that can be confirmed, it may be specific to the particular choice of video output settings (e.g., Color Space), or the like -- e.g., specific to some displays. All of this is just speculation of course until we see if others (including OPPO) can spot it when details (title and time code) get posted.

Look at World War Z (non-Extended version) at 34:30. Look at his face. At 30 and 35 percent, there is pretty obvious streaking that disappears when the Darbee is disabled completely. I am using my smaller monitor at the moment, so I can't try 5 or 10% to see how much of a difference there is in the streaking.
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17 feet from a 60" plasma. Don't you need some binoculars too?

It never used to be that way. I just moved into a new town 2 hours closer to my work to avoid the long 4-hour daily commutes I was making for 2 months. My new apartment forced me into this 17ft distance, If I were to move closer, I would block the main entrance way into my place... unless I have people enter my place and pass behind my main couch:cool:...

 

Granted ...I'm trying to get used to this new distance but its hard, I agree. My 60 inch seems like a small 42 in TV as this distance..


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aI have an external Darblet that I use with my 105 connected through my Anthem D2v Prepro and it doesn't streak in dark scenes at all. I have it at HD 80% mode on my 60" Kuro Elite Plasma. I'm sitting 17 feet away from my plasma. I'm sitting in a completely darkened room(except for the light of my laptop I'm using to type this message) watching a UFO sightings program on the Discovery Channel:)  ... Black night sky backgrounds with no visible streaks.

17 feet away! I have a 10 feet wide screen and I sit 9 feet away smile.gif I like to be in the picture, when I get a 4K projector I will probably sit one foot closer tongue.gif

 

Are you related to Mr Magoo:) ???


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Hi

Played the DVD "Matrix Revolutions". Again I noticed streaking. At 5:50 The scene with the oracle (background): On 55 I noticed streaking as well as 30 and 10. When I turned Darbee off the streaks disappeared. This also happened at 18:50 and 31:40 (both background). Very noticeable at 39:13 (black background) The same results 30 and 10 streaks were still there. Set to OFF no streaks.

There were other scenes, but wanted to enjoy the flick.smile.gif

I hope this will help anybody.

Gonna watch Bluray :Men In Black III". I hope no artifacts.

dmusoke im thinking you don't see streaks is because your Kuro has excellant blacks, just a thought.

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There were other scenes, but wanted to enjoy the flick.smile.gif
Also noticed streaking throughout the screen in a night scene where squid are attacking with a pitch-black background from the 3D BD IMAX Deep Sea 3D. The Darbee setting was @ 35% POP. The streaking disappeared when I switched from Auto to "source direct". Never noticed this before.`````` It starts at 3017 and ends at 3210. No other night scene has this problem. The odd thing is that it only appears on the left view of the 3D image. The right view has no streaking. Edit: Viewed with my OLED 3D headset.
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Hi Paul H

I changed the resolution to source direct and that did clear up streaks but I get a cone head if set to source direct. Also am I losing quality using source direct.

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^ ^ ^

Source Direct disables any video processing whatsoever including the Darbee processing... Here's what Oppo says:

 

For users who wish to use an external video processor, the BDP-103D offers a "Source Direct" mode. The original audio/video content on the discs is sent out with no additional processing or alteration.


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Look at World War Z (non-Extended version) at 34:30. Look at his face. At 30 and 35 percent, there is pretty obvious streaking that disappears when the Darbee is disabled completely. I am using my smaller monitor at the moment, so I can't try 5 or 10% to see how much of a difference there is in the streaking.

I just checked out this scene using the PS3 player on a JVC RS-4810 at 106" diagonal.


I saw zero streaking or anything unusual on the doctor's face at HD 35%. I also tried Pop, and while I feel POP looks terrible and shouldn't be used for high quality video because its just way too harsh and overcooked I still did not see any unusual streaking.

I looked at the time stamp you mentioned on the theatrical version DVD and I went to the same scene in the BD extended version. It all looked good at HD 35.

Although I use "good" loosely for DVD. DVD just doesn't hold up on large screens, and while Darbee processing can be used on lesser sources, it is really meant to be used on the best possible source. That's come from the Darbee folks themselves.
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Look at World War Z (non-Extended version) at 34:30. Look at his face. At 30 and 35 percent, there is pretty obvious streaking that disappears when the Darbee is disabled completely. I am using my smaller monitor at the moment, so I can't try 5 or 10% to see how much of a difference there is in the streaking.

Watching that movie right now and I see no streaking in that scene (34:30- Doctor's face) that you mentioned. I have the darbee setting at 50%.
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Make sure your display is properly calibrated. An improperly calibrated display will not show the artifacts.

Ensure that you are in a sitting distance which can show the visual errors. The further you sit, the harder it will be to see the errors.

Ensure that you are playing the sequence and not pausing the image. It is harder to see paused.

Even on my 24" monitor I use when the projector is off easily shows the errors when I sit within 3' feet of the display.
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: Viewed with my OLED 3D headset.

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FWIW, I watched The Walking Dead last night via DirecTV through 103D HDMI input with Darbee at HiDef 25%, and it looked pretty outstanding. Lots of dark/shadowy areas with no streaking at all to be seen. (I went with 25% as opposed to 30-35% as I feel my Sharp DLP projector already has a pretty high intra-contrast effect).

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Also noticed streaking throughout the screen in a night scene where squid are attacking with a pitch-black background from the 3D BD IMAX Deep Sea 3D. The Darbee setting was @ 35% POP. The streaking disappeared when I switched from Auto to "source direct". Never noticed this before.`````` It starts at 3017 and ends at 3210. No other night scene has this problem. The odd thing is that it only appears on the left view of the 3D image. The right view has no streaking. Edit: Viewed with my OLED 3D headset.
To rule out a Darbee processing fluke I played the IMAX Deep Sea 3D scene on a BDP-103 with a Darbee 5000 at the same setting. No visible streaking noticed. The BD 3D's UPC # is 883929160464.
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