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Looking for picture quality feedback from anyone has replaced or compared a PS3 with a 103/103D. Darby aside, is there a noticeable increase in picture quality moving from the PS3 to the 103/103D?
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Looking for picture quality feedback from anyone has replaced or compared a PS3 with a 103/103D. Darby aside, is there a noticeable increase in picture quality moving from the PS3 to the 103/103D?
The biggest picture quality difference would be for SD DVD material.

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Looking for picture quality feedback from anyone has replaced or compared a PS3 with a 103/103D. Darby aside, is there a noticeable increase in picture quality moving from the PS3 to the 103/103D?
I replaced my PS3 with a 103D about a month ago. I haven't noticed a dramatic increase in picture quality but it is slightly better. It's also nice to be able to use my harmony, but I wouldn't say it's a slam dunk, especially if you're tight on cash.
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For those who use Roku 3400M stick (MHL), do you find it fully capable of streaming 3D content thru Netflix? Considering the above information, I'm more inclined to go for the "wired" route with the Roku3 box for a faster connection. I also subscribe to Amazon streaming.

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Does Roku even offer access to 3D content from Netflix?
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I used the PS3 for blu-ray playback up until the PS4 was released and have used the PS4 since then. About a month ago, I picked up the 103D and one thing I noticed that I never noticed before on any other blu-ray player is the field of depth. There are times, when I will notice a 3D effect. Not like a 3D movie though. If something is in the foreground, it will stick out even further and the background will be further back. It's more subtle than my words are describing it but the effect is there. I even noticed this watching a dvd of the first Back to the Future.

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I used the PS3 for blu-ray playback up until the PS4 was released and have used the PS4 since then. About a month ago, I picked up the 103D and one thing I noticed that I never noticed before on any other blu-ray player is the field of depth. There are times, when I will notice a 3D effect. Not like a 3D movie though. If something is in the foreground, it will stick out even further and the background will be further back. It's more subtle than my words are describing it but the effect is there. I even noticed this watching a dvd of the first Back to the Future.

Thanks Bruuce - regarding your field of depth comments, is that with Darbee off?
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Thanks Bruuce - regarding your field of depth comments, is that with Darbee off?
Both. I turned off Darbee when I was watching Back to the Future and still noticed it.
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Looking for picture quality feedback from anyone has replaced or compared a PS3 with a 103/103D. Darby aside, is there a noticeable increase in picture quality moving from the PS3 to the 103/103D?
I'm saying absolutely not. I've measured the output of an old (fat) PS3, a Panasonic BDT-BMP220, and a 103D using an i1Display Pro and Calman 5, and I've found zero differences. It's possible that there's a slight difference in motion handling but if so, I can't see it.

I should add that I like my 103D, mostly because it's a beautiful piece of machinery. However, for my primary uses, BD playback and Netflix streaming, both of my other players are just as good. In fact, the Netflix app is much more robust and reliable on the other two.

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Got my 103D delivered yesterday. Had somewhere to be, so just had time to put it in the rack and set it up the "basic" way (ie. HDMI 1 out to AVR).

I know this is "old news", but just the unboxing of this unit is something special! An amazing looking piece of gear, and absolutely loving the "heft" of the remote; just feels like solid build quality.

Powered on and it had no issues with the internet connection (ethernet, but I've had other units that still had issues), loaded the firmware update no problem. Clicked on the Netflix app, which loaded super-quick, entered my member info to get it going; like the look of the Netflix interface on this compared to on my Sony it is replacing.

Excited to give Darbee a try soon; then consider hooking it up so that my cable box runs thru the Oppo to get the Darbee treatment as well.

Still can't quite believe I spent this much on a BD player (or a "box" as my wife refers to everything), but so far I feel like it is money well spent, and I can stop (constantly) thinking about an upgrade...at least for a BD player!

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That said, and not even counting Darbee, the 103D is an improvement in MY system because the way the 103D does "Dithered" output (which I need) works better in my setup than the way the 105 does it.
My 103D will arrive a few days, so maybe I should be asking questions later, but I am OCD about being prepared. I've read this thread twice and have done searches for "dithered" and "1080p24hz" elsewhere. Because the 103D has so many options, I know I'm going to be playing with them for a long time. So I do apologize first if these questions have actually been answered somewhere, or seem like stupid questions to the upper eschelon here.

I have a hard copy of the 103D setting preferences, and have been taking notes on it while reading this thread all along. I see that under HDMI >> Deep Color there are 4 options: 36 bits, 30 bits (dithered), 30 bits, and Off (dithered). Is it correct to say that with dithering ON (either 30 of Off), people that prefer it see a more natural "blending" and smoothness to the video output, as opposed to banding effects or discontinuities? I'd like to know if this is simply preference, or an actual set-up issue (meaning it has to be ON to display video).

Also, does 1080p24hz ON make only SDVDs (new or old) better, BDs better, or both? I've seen it stated that this should only be used when Output Resolution is set to 1080p. So if you upconverted to 4Kx2K, would 1080p24hz be set to AUTO or OFF? I will be using the Oppo with a Samsung HU8550 display.
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U R Right great remote.

Just let the Oppo chose !


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1080p/24hz

I have just found this link, and assuming it's a reference for the 103D:

See the BDP-93 FAQ for more: Is DVD 24hz conversion supported?

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I'm thinking of moving from a PS3 with an external darbee to the 103D. The reason is all the random handshake issues I get with the darbee in place. It seems this is not an issue with the 103D? Is it also the case that the 103D can upscale to 4K after applying darbee?

If I do this, I am planning to run the video from HDMI1 into a matrix switch to split between my tv and projector. HDMI2 would be audio only to my receiver. I'd probably run my directv box into the oppo as well to apply darbee processing. I have a roku, but the streaming apps on the 103D would largely replace them as I only use netflix and VUDU. I could just keep the Roku plugged into the AVR and not apply darbee for what little else I would still use it for.

The advantage to this over the stand alone darbee is that all my sources could have darbee and both my TV and PJ would have darbee as well. The big thing would be eliminating the standalone box and the handshaking issues it causes.


Am I missing anything or does anyone see a flaw in my plan?

Also, when running a cable box or other source through the oppo, does it need to be on? And how does switching between HDMI input 1 and 2 work? Has anyone automated this well with their harmony remote to switch correctly per activity?

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This is such a nice player! It oozes awesome.

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The big thing would be eliminating the standalone box and the handshaking issues it causes.
The 103D does seem a bit more stable in HDMI than player + Darblet, at least from what I read in the Darblet forum. In general: the more devices in the HDMI chain, the more opportunity for trouble.

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The remote has an INPUT button that displays a popup menu.

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Also, when running a cable box or other source through the oppo, does it need to be on? And how does switching between HDMI input 1 and 2 work? Has anyone automated this well with their harmony remote to switch correctly per activity?
I've got a comcast box going through my 103D and use the Logitech One (incredibly good remote).

No problems with controlling access to any activities. It works great, I didn't have to muck around with delays although I have no problem doing so.

Selection of the back HDMI slot for "Watch TV" is fairly quick. You do need to wait for the handshakes to finish, so for me it means about 10 seconds until the whole thing is finished and I'm watching cable.

No problem at all. My only issue is that the comcast box doesn't have native output, so I have to send things out as 1080i and the picture (although much better than the cable alone) is not as good as the 103D could make it.
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The 103D does seem a bit more stable in HDMI than player + Darblet, at least from what I read in the Darblet forum. In general: the more devices in the HDMI chain, the more opportunity for trouble.



Yes.



The remote has an INPUT button that displays a popup menu.



See the FAQ: How do I select an INPUT source with a programmable remote?

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Awesome, Thanks!

One the built in darbee note, the standalone unit has issues with deep color. Now I haven't read enough of this forum to gauge how many are using the deep color options but are people encountering issues with deep color and the built in darbee?

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I've got a comcast box going through my 103D and use the Logitech One (incredibly good remote).

No problems with controlling access to any activities. It works great, I didn't have to muck around with delays although I have no problem doing so.

Selection of the back HDMI slot for "Watch TV" is fairly quick. You do need to wait for the handshakes to finish, so for me it means about 10 seconds until the whole thing is finished and I'm watching cable.

No problem at all. My only issue is that the comcast box doesn't have native output, so I have to send things out as 1080i and the picture (although much better than the cable alone) is not as good as the 103D could make it.
I have the same remote. I was thinking the same thing...need a pause to everything is on, then issue the command to change inputs. Been a while since I've had to get that deep into the harmony software m but I'll figure it out. Good to know it works though, right now everything is just switched with a matrix switcher so I don't need to use delays.

I can output native from my directv box, so I will give that a shot. Since the oppo will scale everything to 1080p, it should not cause a delay when changing channels with different resolutions but the scaling will be better. I'm not that critical for TV watching vs movies on the PJ, but still nice to know.

Now I just gotta decide if I can stomach pulling the trigger. Thinking of going with a refurb to save a bit.


How is the streaming on these...mainly netflix and vudu? I asked support about 24p from HDX and I know that doesn't work...though I don't know of many players that can do this anyway.
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I have the same remote. I was thinking the same thing...need a pause to everything is on, then issue the command to change inputs. Been a while since I've had to get that deep into the harmony software m but I'll figure it out. Good to know it works though, right now everything is just switched with a matrix switcher so I don't need to use delays.

I can output native from my directv box, so I will give that a shot. Since the oppo will scale everything to 1080p, it should not cause a delay when changing channels with different resolutions but the scaling will be better. I'm not that critical for TV watching vs movies on the PJ, but still nice to know.

Now I just gotta decide if I can stomach pulling the trigger. Thinking of going with a refurb to save a bit.


How is the streaming on these...mainly netflix and vudu? I asked support about 24p from HDX and I know that doesn't work...though I don't know of many players that can do this anyway.
Streaming is good from Netflix (haven't tried Vudu yet) have had no problem with any movies - have watched probably about thirty or forty Netflix movies through the Oppo. The Darbee does a nice job with these.

I didn't have to put any pauses in, just dropped the start sequence in and went.

From what I know about Oppo (I have two), customer service is great - if you buy it and don't like it, don't expect a hassle. The refurbs are a great deal - if they had been available I would have snapped one up and not thought twice.
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Redmere HDMI cables are only unidirectional and are typically used for extra long runs or runs with interference. You need to use a bidirectional cable for ARC. Also since Redmere HDMI cables are only unidirectional they do tend to have issues with EDID and HDCP and should only be used for a one to one connection, not daisy changed. Hope this info helps you out.

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  • Audio Return Channel - Normally, your HDMI cable carries audio information along with the video from a source device (e.g. blu-ray player) to the sink device (display/television). Often times this goes through an AV receiver to drive a home theater audio system. The Audio Return Channel is primarily used to send the audio signal generated by the television when its internal tuner is used, back to the AV receiver, so that you can use your home theater audio system when watching television signals.
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I don't see very much difference when I adjust the 3D depth setting. Is there a right way to set this control? Can it be calibrated to some standard?

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I don't see very much difference when I adjust the 3D depth setting. Is there a right way to set this control? Can it be calibrated to some standard?
3D depth setting is display dependent for Left and Right eye convergence & screen size. Sitting distance from the screen is a variable factor changing the settings "assumed" screen-size setting for assumed distance. Percievabiltiy is very little if at all, but changing the setting can help correct ghosting if it is present. If the distance between your eyes and the screen is 1.5x the screen size, the setting probably won't make a perceivable difference.


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I have a weird minor glitch with my 103D. Recently every time I play a blu ray disc- the play, ffwd, rewind, pause and other command options seem to get stuck on the top left hand side of my HDTV's screen. It's weird in the sense that normal playback is never affected and it goes away right away after I press another command so it hasn't bothered me at all. I've had the latest firmware for a while and this just started occurring recently so I'll be keeping a close eye out on it in case it develops into something else.

'Just wondering if anyone's experienced the same thing....
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I have a weird minor glitch with my 103D. Recently every time I play a blu ray disc- the play, ffwd, rewind, pause and other command options seem to get stuck on the top left hand side of my HDTV's screen. It's weird in the sense that normal playback is never affected and it goes away right away after I press another command so it hasn't bothered me at all. I've had the latest firmware for a while and this just started occurring recently so I'll be keeping a close eye out on it in case it develops into something else.

'Just wondering if anyone's experienced the same thing....
The visibility of the on-screen playback icons is controlled by Setup > Video Setup > Display Options > OSD Mode. Check how you have that set now, and see the Manual for explanation of the choices.
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Help with Charter on demand

I picked up a 103D about 4 months ago and have been very happy with it. Until very recently I fed a Direct TV signal into the back HDMI port and used the split A/V option and it generally worked well. I have noticed, however, the oppo seems very sensitive to many of the issues with HDMI handshaking. Until I got the oppo I used a low cost Pana blu ray player with Direct TV and ran everything through my AVR to the TV and never thought about cable lengths because everything just worked. When I installed the oppo I used all of the same cables and every once in a while the picture would freeze or go black causing me to have to shut everything off and then power back up to "fix" it for a while. I searched this forum and discovered that HDMI cables need to be 6 feet, no more and no less. I replaced the cables with 6 footers and sure enough that issue went away.

Yesterday, I switched TV providers from Direct TV to Charter. The box is their HD Dual Tuner DVR DCX3501-M and for the most part everything works fine. I am having one issue I could use some help with though. Most of the time when I switch from a regular channel to on demand the on demand screen comes up and a couple of seconds later the display goes black and the oppo is locked up. I have to shut it off and turn it back on to get it to work again. This happens about 9/10 times. Every once in a while on demand works fine but mostly it locks up. If I run the HDMI cable directly from the Charter box to the TV bypassing the oppo on demand works every time with no issues.

I am using the "0515" firmware.

Any thoughts on how to get on demand working better would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Marty
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