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I recently just got the 103D, upgrading from the Panasonic BDT310. I will be using it with the Sony vw350es and am curious if the 103D is necessary if I use the 350es for upscaling. Someone mentioned in another thread that the Oppo possibly only upscales to UHD in 30fps vs the 350es in 60fps. With that, i'd plug the Oppo into my Denon x7200 and set it to 1080P.

If I go with the 350es for upscaling, does the Oppo have other advantages over the Panasonic. I would assume that since the Oppo is reference, maybe the 350es will start with a better 1080p picture.

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I recently just got the 103D, upgrading from the Panasonic BDT310. I will be using it with the Sony vw350es and am curious if the 103D is necessary if I use the 350es for upscaling. Someone mentioned in another thread that the Oppo possibly only upscales to UHD in 30fps vs the 350es in 60fps. With that, i'd plug the Oppo into my Denon x7200 and set it to 1080P.

If I go with the 350es for upscaling, does the Oppo have other advantages over the Panasonic. I would assume that since the Oppo is reference, maybe the 350es will start with a better 1080p picture.

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Hi ,

The 103D , would be your best choice , video upscaling
is not the same as video processing.

The 103D would more than likely complement your setup.

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Hi ,

The 103D , would be your best choice , video upscaling
is not the same as video processing.

The 103D would more than likely complement your setup.

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Perfect and thanks! It sure does look pretty in my OmniMount RE27!
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^ The 103D can upscale video rate content to 4K/60 output, using YCbCr 4:2:0 format, to a 4K display which can accept that.

This was added in firmware last year.

See the 4K Output setting in the Manual.
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I think I can rule out the Marantz 8801 being the cause of the audio dropout on Schindlers List as I played the movie 2 times on my PS4 (that is apart of my HT setup) and no audio drop. It has dropped the audio around the same spot 3/3 times with the oppo. So it must be a disc/Oppo compatibility issue....

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I think I can rule out the Marantz 8801 being the cause of the audio dropout on Schindlers List as I played the movie 2 times on my PS4 (that is apart of my HT setup) and no audio drop. It has dropped the audio around the same spot 3/3 times with the oppo. So it must be a disc/Oppo compatibility issue....
I asked before: did you try switching between LPCM and Bitstream in the player?

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I asked before: did you try switching between LPCM and Bitstream in the player?

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I did not to lpcm on the oppo but accidentaly did lpcm on the ps4 with no issues. What would I expect to happen with lpcm on the oppo?

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I did not to lpcm on the oppo but accidentaly did lpcm on the ps4 with no issues. What would I expect to happen with lpcm on the oppo?
A player / receiver interaction that is a problem in one mode may not be an issue in the other. Switching between the two is always something to try when experiencing HDMI audio issues.

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A player / receiver interaction that is a problem in one mode may not be an issue in the other. Switching between the two is always something to try when experiencing HDMI audio issues.

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If it did not occur on lpcm then what? Am I incorrect in my assumption that there is a issues with the disc and oppo player?

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If it did not occur on lpcm then what? Am I incorrect in my assumption that there is a issues with the disc and oppo player?
You might call it an issue correctable by setting the player to LPCM.

The disc may have an authoring technique which reveals a problem with bitstreaming over HDMI between the player and receiver. It has happened before, and sometimes across a wide range of devices.

Who is at fault is hard to say sometimes. HDMI is a cooperative effort.

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You might call it an issue correctable by setting the player to LPCM.

The disc may have an authoring technique which reveals a problem with bitstreaming over HDMI between the player and receiver. It has happened before, and sometimes across a wide range of devices.

Who is at fault is hard to say sometimes. HDMI is a cooperative effort.

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I will be sending my disc to oppo for them to use. Is this something that is likely repeatable outside my home? Can they fix it with firmware update?

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I will be sending my disc to oppo for them to use. Is this something that is likely repeatable outside my home? Can they fix it with firmware update?
If it's not something obvious I suspect they would need the same AVR with the same hardware rev and firmware to confirm the issue.

Fixed with firmware: maybe.

Did you try setting the player to LPCM? We'd really like to know if this changes the behavior of your problem.

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If it's not something obvious I suspect they would need the same AVR with the same hardware rev and firmware to confirm the issue.

Fixed with firmware: maybe.

Did you try setting the player to LPCM? We'd really like to know if this changes the behavior of your problem.

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I will tonight. It only occurs when it's played through the entire movie from the start and it's around the 3 hr mark. I will set my alarm tonight and see.

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If it's not something obvious I suspect they would need the same AVR with the same hardware rev and firmware to confirm the issue.

Fixed with firmware: maybe.

Did you try setting the player to LPCM? We'd really like to know if this changes the behavior of your problem.

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One more question if you don't minf.....why is this the only BD that has brought up this issue? I have played hundreds of BD and have never had an issue. That's my im dumbfounded. I am a tad anal in that I want to make sure nothing is wrong with my gear. Thank you.

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Given the complex coding that gets written to disks, it is fairly common - with many brands of players and receivers - that a disk that causes problems when sent as a bitstream to a receiver - to be decoded by the receiver - will play fine when instead the player does the decoding and sends the soundtrack as LPCM, which is simply the decoded audio in digital WAV format.

My guess is that it's the overlaying of the periodic HDMI/HDCP "handshakes" (to verify both the receiver's capabilities and the legality of it getting the signal) on top of the bitstream's own programming commands that interferes with a receiver's decoding of the bitstream.

Letting a player decode the bitstream internally - which avoids the frequent "handshake" interruptions that decoding at the other end of an HDMI cable is subjected to - is the usual method of sidestepping this problem.

I use my BDP-93's analog outputs - which also means letting the player decode the disk - and I've never run into any of the audio glitches that routinely get reported on this board for many brands of players and receivers.

You've noted that your playstation gave no problems set to LPCM. Until you set your Oppo to LPCM, you're comparing apples to oranges. I suspect that setting your playstation to bitstream might provoke exactly the same misbehavior, and setting your Oppo to LPCM will similarly avoid the problem.

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Given the complex coding that gets written to disks, it is fairly common - with many brands of players and receivers - that a disk that causes problems when sent as a bitstream to a receiver - to be decoded by the receiver - will play fine when instead the player does the decoding and sends the soundtrack as LPCM, which is simply the decoded audio in digital WAV format.

My guess is that it's the overlaying of the periodic HDMI/HDCP "handshakes" (to verify both the receiver's capabilities and the legality of it getting the signal) on top of the bitstream's own programming commands that interferes with a receiver's decoding of the bitstream.

Letting a player decode the bitstream internally - which avoids the frequent "handshake" interruptions that decoding at the other end of an HDMI cable is subjected to - is the usual method of sidestepping this problem.

I use my BDP-93's analog outputs - which also means letting the player decode the disk - and I've never run into any of the audio glitches that routinely get reported on this board for many brands of players and receivers.

You've noted that your playstation gave no problems set to LPCM. Until you set your Oppo to LPCM, you're comparing apples to oranges. I suspect that setting your playstation to bitstream might provoke exactly the same misbehavior, and setting your Oppo to LPCM will similarly avoid the problem.
Thank you for the response! I did run the PS4 on bitsream as well with no issues. How do I let the oppo do the processing?

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Thank you for the response! I did run the PS4 on bitsream as well with no issues. How do I let the oppo do the processing?
As Bill has been trying to tell you for the past few days, set hdmi audio to LPCM instead of Bitstream....Please do it so we don't have to keep telling you to. Sorry, got carried away there.......
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As Bill has been trying to tell you for the past few days, set hdmi audio to LPCM instead of Bitstream....Please do it so we don't have to keep telling you to. Sorry, got carried away there.......
It's running right now. Since it takes 3 hours to do I need the time to do it. I will update when I wake up at 2 lol

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Given the complex coding that gets written to disks, it is fairly common - with many brands of players and receivers - that a disk that causes problems when sent as a bitstream to a receiver - to be decoded by the receiver - will play fine when instead the player does the decoding and sends the soundtrack as LPCM, which is simply the decoded audio in digital WAV format.

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Letting a player decode the bitstream internally - which avoids the frequent "handshake" interruptions that decoding at the other end of an HDMI cable is subjected to - is the usual method of sidestepping this problem.

I use my BDP-93's analog outputs - which also means letting the player decode the disk - and I've never run into any of the audio glitches that routinely get reported on this board for many brands of players and receivers.

You've noted that your playstation gave no problems set to LPCM. Until you set your Oppo to LPCM, you're comparing apples to oranges. I suspect that setting your playstation to bitstream might provoke exactly the same misbehavior, and setting your Oppo to LPCM will similarly avoid the problem.
The LPCM format did NOT drop the audio. Assuming it's an HDMI/HDCP handshake issue would you think it's a defective disc because it occurs in that same time of the movie (and I have never had this issue prior) or do you think it's due to a bad HDMI pin? Thanks again for your help.

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May I ask what kind of disc (DVD or Blu-Ray) and what sound output (5.1 Dolby Surround or 5.1 HD-MA)? I have the DVD, maybe I should try out for such occurrence.
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An update on the Schindlers List audio drop out: I let the movie run from the beginning and around the same time as previously mentioned the audio dropped out again. It was in a different spot about 30 seconds pats the previous drop out. The audio comes back on after a rewind but not after a pause. It does not Drop Out if I start a chapter over it appears like the whole movie has to be played. The disc is clean and I don't know why it keeps doing this. Any thoughts? Bad disc?
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The LPCM format did NOT drop the audio.
Rejoice!

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Assuming it's an HDMI/HDCP handshake issue would you think it's a defective disc because it occurs in that same time of the movie (and I have never had this issue prior)
I suspect every replacement disc will be the same.

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You can try new cables (that is always worth doing when struggling with HDMI) but I would not be surprised if it is a disc authoring issue.

This is not a constant issue with Blu-ray disc authoring but it does come up regularly. Try searching the other forums for TOTAL RECALL (2012) problems. Widespread agony and promises of a reissue (which I think were not fulfilled). It was a Sony disc and even Sony players failed with it. Sony's advice: use LPCM.

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It was the BD and lossless format.

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I suspect every replacement disc will be the same.



You can try new cables (that is always worth doing when struggling with HDMI) but I would not be surprised if it is a disc authoring issue.

This is not a constant issue with Blu-ray disc authoring but it does come up regularly. Try searching the other forums for TOTAL RECALL (2012) problems. Widespread agony and promises of a reissue (which I think were not fulfilled). It was a Sony disc and even Sony players failed with it. Sony's advice: use LPCM.

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With all this talk of bitstream and lpcm what do most set theirs at?

With it being an Oppo player and not a run of the mill unit would it make a difference?

I'm running my Oppo in bitstream to my Denon 4520ci. Now would the Oppo do a better job that the Denon? I know, try it, but would love to hear some opinions.
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I've always used bitstream from the player, but Im a let video devices do video and audio devices do audio person. That being said, im sure both the 4520 and Oppo do either fine.

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With all this talk of bitstream and lpcm what do most set theirs at?

With it being an Oppo player and not a run of the mill unit would it make a difference?

I'm running my Oppo in bitstream to my Denon 4520ci. Now would the Oppo do a better job that the Denon? I know, try it, but would love to hear some opinions.
It should make no difference. Bob supplied this answer in the old BDP-83 FAQ and it still applies: Should I perform audio decoding in the player or in the receiver?

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I suspect every replacement disc will be the same.


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You're correct. I purchased a new disc in in the exact same spot the audio was lost.

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With all this talk of bitstream and lpcm what do most set theirs at?

With it being an Oppo player and not a run of the mill unit would it make a difference?

I'm running my Oppo in bitstream to my Denon 4520ci. Now would the Oppo do a better job that the Denon? I know, try it, but would love to hear some opinions.
I have my HDMI Audio set to bitstream, but I recently set my SACD Output to PCM, based on something I read about DSD having to be converted to PCM in the receiver before applying Audyssey. Now I wonder if the same thing applies to my HDMI Audio setting.
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