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post #9091 of 9120 Old 11-09-2016, 08:39 AM
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Is there any way to connect the Sony Playstation Gold wireless headset to the Oppo? It comes with a proprietary bluetooth dongle, which I'm not sure will work with the Oppo.

The headset does have a 3.5mm jack but I'd like a wireless solution for this. Is any adapter available? I'd like to avoid getting a new pair of headphones if possible.

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Is there any way to connect the Sony Playstation Gold wireless headset to the Oppo? It comes with a proprietary bluetooth dongle, which I'm not sure will work with the Oppo.

The headset does have a 3.5mm jack but I'd like a wireless solution for this. Is any adapter available? I'd like to avoid getting a new pair of headphones if possible.
The only way you could really pull that off is to connect a headphone amp to the Oppo's analog outputs and then connect the headphones to the headphone output on that. Note that they wouldn't be wireless at that point. If you had a BDP-105 or BDP-105D, you could use an adapter plug to built in headphone preamp on that player. I don't have any recommendations for an inexpensive headphone amp - the Oppo HA-1 would work, but would be extreme overkill.
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^ Try setting 3D Output FORCED instead of Auto. This produces 3D output (but only when you are playing 3D content) even if the display does not properly report it is 3D-capable.

Projectors are notorious for not properly reporting that they are 3D capable, which is why the FORCED choice was added.

2D content will still go to the projector as 2D.
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Thanks, that did it! I swear I had tried it, but I must have needed to "restart" the disc or somesuch. Thanks again!

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I just purchased the 103D and have it running HDMI into my Marantz 8802A AVP. The Marantz is handling the audio / speaker configuration. How do I set the audio in the Oppo? I don't want to limit anything coming out of the OPPO.

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I just purchased the 103D and have it running HDMI into my Marantz 8802A AVP. The Marantz is handling the audio / speaker configuration. How do I set the audio in the Oppo? I don't want to limit anything coming out of the OPPO.

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Set HDMI Audio BITSTREAM. Turn Secondary Audio OFF, and DTS Neo:6 Mode OFF. That's it. HDMI handles all the rest automatically.

In particular, none of the Speaker Configuration stuff in the OPPO applies to HDMI audio output. That's only for the Analog audio outs.
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I just purchased the 103D and have it running HDMI into my Marantz 8802A AVP. The Marantz is handling the audio / speaker configuration. How do I set the audio in the Oppo? I don't want to limit anything coming out of the OPPO.

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From the manual:
HDMI Audio: Allows you to select the digital audio output format from the HDMI port. The
options are:
Auto (default) – The player checks with the device connecting to the HDMI output to
automatically determine which audio format to use.
LPCM – Digital audio output via HDMI will be in the multi-channel Linear PCM format. When
this option is selected, compressed audio bit streams will be decoded by the player. This
setting is recommended when connecting the HDMI output directly to a TV or to a receiver
without advanced audio decoding capabilities.
Bitstream – Digital audio output via HDMI will be in bitstream format. This option is
recommended when connecting the HDMI output to an A/V receiver or processor that
supports advanced audio decoding, such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.
Off – No digital audio output via HDMI.

If your receiver can decode all the hi-Def audio codecs, then Bitstream would be your choice.
Also, don't worry about the "Audio Processing Setup" speaker configuration except for DRC. That section is for analog audio, not HDMI.
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Got it. Thanks a lot!
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I just acquired my first 4K TV(LG OLED65 B6). I need to verify how my 103D should be set up. I'm currently running a Directv HR24-100(set for "native output") into the rear HDMI input of the 103D and I'm running the HDMI #1 output to my Dennon X4200W. The current video settings for the 103D are output resolution=1080p, 1080p24 output=auto, and 4Kx2K output=auto(50/60hz) The current audio settings are HDMI Audio=Auto. I'm going to assume the ip scaling will be better in the LG than the Oppo. Do these settings seem OK without further revision?
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I just acquired my first 4K TV(LG OLED65 B6). I need to verify how my 103D should be set up. I'm currently running a Directv HR24-100(set for "native output") into the rear HDMI input of the 103D and I'm running the HDMI #1 output to my Dennon X4200W. The current video settings for the 103D are output resolution=1080p, 1080p24 output=auto, and 4Kx2K output=auto(50/60hz) The current audio settings are HDMI Audio=Auto. I'm going to assume the ip scaling will be better in the LG than the Oppo. Do these settings seem OK without further revision?
I've got a 105 and a 65" LG E6.

I do not reliably see a difference between sending Blu-ray at 1080p from the 105 and having the E6 upscale that to 4K or having the 105 upscale to 4K and passing that to the E6. When it comes to standard def sources from DVD and the like, I think the 105 does a marginally better job upscaling to 4K than outputting 1080p from the 105 and having the E6 upscale that to 4K. I would expect your results with the 103D and B6 to be similar.

I have the 105 set to upscale everything to 4K on the basis that it makes no difference with Blu-ray but it's slightly better with DVD and other standard def sources so I would suggest setting your output resolution to 4K.
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Have anyone try Spiderman 2(Sam Raimi version) with the Dolby Truhd track on the 103d? There are audio drop out in a few scene in these blu ray. More on the 2.1 version of the movie. Had latest firmware update on the 103d.
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Quick question, if I run my 103d hdmi out into my avr (denon x4100) hdmi in am I loosing all the oppo's video processing to the avr's video processing? Should I be running an hdmi right from the oppo to my projector (epson 5030ub)? Sorry if this has been answered 1000 times, but please point me in the right direction! I finally switched my focus from bass to other things in the theater. Thanks
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Quick question, if I run my 103d hdmi out into my avr (denon x4100) hdmi in am I loosing all the oppo's video processing to the avr's video processing? Should I be running an hdmi right from the oppo to my projector (epson 5030ub)? Sorry if this has been answered 1000 times, but please point me in the right direction! I finally switched my focus from bass to other things in the theater. Thanks
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You should be able to configure the AVR's video settings so that it just passes through the video signal from all inputs without doing any processing at all. Provided you do that what you will see will be the 103D's processing unaltered.

You'll need to check your AVR's manual or look for an owners' thread on your AVR here for information on how to set your AVR up in that way.
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Quick question, if I run my 103d hdmi out into my avr (denon x4100) hdmi in am I loosing all the oppo's video processing to the avr's video processing? Should I be running an hdmi right from the oppo to my projector (epson 5030ub)? Sorry if this has been answered 1000 times, but please point me in the right direction! I finally switched my focus from bass to other things in the theater. Thanks
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You should be able to configure the AVR's video settings so that it just passes through the video signal from all inputs without doing any processing at all. Provided you do that what you will see will be the 103D's processing unaltered.

You'll need to check your AVR's manual or look for an owners' thread on your AVR here for information on how to set your AVR up in that way.
Thanks. I will look into that!
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Forced subtitles in MKV

For the first time I just had a case of a forced subtitle track (Russian dialog in Captain America: Civil War) not playing automatically on the 103D (from a network drive). I made the MKV myself and that was the only subtitle track, set as default and set as forced. VLC shows the subtitles automatically when playing on a PC, but on the Oppo I had to explicitly enable them. I've made plenty of other MKVs the same way and the forced subtitles have always worked as intended.

Anyone else had subtitle issues with the latest public beta firmware?
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I hope the 203 does just as well as the 103D for blus. I was going to pick up another as a backup, then saw the price loons are asking for them.
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I'm having problems with Vudu and Netflix. When I put either of them on I get the picture and no sound. I am running the 103 into a Marantz 7008. When I put in a bd I have picture and sound. Is anyone else having this problem? Can anyone suggest a fix? Thanks


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I'm having problems with Vudu and Netflix. When I put either of them on I get the picture and no sound. I am running the 103 into a Marantz 7008. When I put in a bd I have picture and sound. Is anyone else having this problem? Can anyone suggest a fix? Thanks


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There's a fix for this problem in the current "Public Beta" firmware. Install this via USB stick. Details here:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-b...-83-0918B.aspx

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There's a fix for this problem in the current "Public Beta" firmware. Install this via USB stick. Details here:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-b...-83-0918B.aspx

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thanks Bob! I've been gong nuts trying to resolve this issue. (I've been away from the forums for a while) Worked like a charm.
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I currently use only HDMI 1 Out to send both video and audio to my Denon 4520 receiver. Because the 103D sends DSD only on HDMI 2 Out, would there be any benefit to using HDMI 2 Out to send audio to my receiver and using HDMI 1 Out to send video to my display? I have about 25 SACDs that could possibly sound better using DSD. I also wonder if there is any difference between sending PCM or bitstream to my receiver, in terms of how Audyssey interacts with the signal. My receiver has a robust version of Audyssey and a good DAC as well, but I don't have a good understanding of how and when they work their magic on the signal. I think Audyssey works only on digital signals. I currently have the HDMI Audio set to Bitstream and the SACD Out set to PCM because of the HDMI 1 Out inability to send DSD.

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I have about 25 SACDs that could possibly sound better using DSD.
That's an assumption based more on hope than actual fact.

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Your AVR converts everything to PCM for processing anyway.
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That's an assumption based more on hope than actual fact.

Your AVR converts everything to PCM for processing anyway.
I wasn't assuming using DSD would make my SACDs sound better; that's why I said "could possibly." So, if I understand correctly, there is no benefit in my setup in using DSD. I wonder in what type of setup might there be a benefit.

Now, because my AVR converts everything to PCM for processing, is there any benefit in setting my HDMI Audio to Bitstream? Also, does that "processing" refer only to Audyssey or to other operations? Does the DAC in my receiver kick in after these operations?

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I wasn't assuming using DSD would make my SACDs sound better; that's why I said "could possibly." So, if I understand correctly, there is no benefit in my setup in using DSD. I wonder in what type of setup might there be a benefit.
Setups that have a "direct DSD to analog" option would be one type of setup. This is rare in an AVR. Again it raises the question of whether such benefit can be heard. Certainly it requires speakers costing in the 4-5 figure range.

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Now, because my AVR converts everything to PCM for processing, is there any benefit in setting my HDMI Audio to Bitstream?
Sure, if you want processing from something like Atmos it needs to be bitstreamed. Many AVRs treat PCM input differently, so "it depends" is probably the right answer.

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Refers to ALL processing, such as EQ and bass management.

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Sure, if you want processing from something like Atmos it needs to be bitstreamed. Many AVRs treat PCM input differently, so "it depends" is probably the right answer.
Thanks for the info. Because my current receiver (Denon 4520) does not decode Atmos or DTS:X, I could set the HDMI Audio to PCM, depending on how it treats a PCM signal. I would have to find out whether it's better to have the 103D or the 4520 convert to PCM.

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… I also wonder if there is any difference between sending PCM or bitstream to my receiver, in terms of how Audyssey interacts with the signal. My receiver has a robust version of Audyssey and a good DAC as well, but I don't have a good understanding of how and when they work their magic on the signal. I think Audyssey works only on digital signals. I currently have the HDMI Audio set to Bitstream and the SACD Out set to PCM because of the HDMI 1 Out inability to send DSD.
Bitstream signals need to first be decoded to PCM before they can be passed to a DAC or any digital processing stage which uses PCM input. Audyssey is a digital processing stage which requires PCM input so if you do not have your player decode the bitstream to PCM before passing it to your AVR for eventual conversion to analog by its DAC.

It doesn't matter whether you send bitstream or PCM to the AVR, the bitstream on the disc has to decoded to PCM before it is passed to Audyssey. Whether the bitstream is decoded to PCM in the player or in the AVR has no effect on the performance of Audyssey or the subsequent conversion of the processed PCM signal to analog by the AVR's DAC.

Audyssey does not accept DSD signals, only PCM, so the DSD from an SACD would also have to be converted to PCM before Audyssey could process it. If you send DSD to your AVR and the AVR's DAC is going to do a DSD to analog conversion, the DSD signal will bypass Audyssey and be passes straight to the DAC which means that DSD signals will not receive Audyssey processing. Bass management will also not be applied since that is done prior to the digital to analog conversion so your speakers will be sent a full range signal and low bass from speaker channels will not be passed to a sub if the DAC is doing a DSD to analog conversion.
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Paligap,
You have the choice of setting the HDMI output to Bitstream and setting SACD output to PCM. Two separate settings in the 103D.
By setting HDMI output to Bitstream the audio codec (DTS-MA, DD 5.1, etc) will display on your Denon front panel and display (if you push the Denon info button). A small thing, but a thing.
As others have mentioned, sending SACD as DSD will only cause the Denon to convert it to PCM before applying Audyssey. If you have full range speakers and the Denon accepts DSD for an 'audio direct' setting (which would bypass Audyssey and bass management) you may hear some improvement. Most 'audio direct' or 'pure audio' settings are for 2-ch stereo and do not do multi-channel SACD. Some people swear by it, not sure I believe it , but would only cost you an extra HDMI cable and some time to test. If you do not have full range speakers and need your subs for music then just set it to PCM.
There are some advantages to using HDMI 1 straight to your display for video. If your Denon does not have 4K pass-thru and you have a 4K display then you would want to do this. HDMI 2 then could be sent to your Denon for audio. If you do not have a 4K display or your Denon does does 4K pass thru then this is unnecessary.
Lots of options to try if you want.

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David and Tom,

Thanks for your info as well. I just got a 4K display, and I'll probably get a 4K UHD player soon. I'm thinking about keeping my 103D, rather than getting the UDP-203 that will be released soon. If I do that, I'll probably move away from sending all video through my receiver, even though I also have another receiver that is 4K capable waiting in the wings. That's so I can customize the HDMI inputs on my display for different video sources. I might also run my Dish programming through my 103D again. I tried it in the past without much noticeable effect, but that was on a smaller display.

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David and Tom,

Thanks for your info as well. I just got a 4K display, and I'll probably get a 4K UHD player soon. I'm thinking about keeping my 103D, rather than getting the UDP-203 that will be released soon. If I do that, I'll probably move away from sending all video through my receiver, even though I also have another receiver that is 4K capable waiting in the wings. That's so I can customize the HDMI inputs on my display for different video sources. I might also run my Dish programming through my 103D again. I tried it in the past without much noticeable effect, but that was on a smaller display.

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Paul,

Most UHD players including the 203 when released have 2 HDMI outputs so you can use one to pass video to your display and the other to pass audio to a receiver, just like your 103D allows you to split video and audio so you don't have to worry about whether your AVR is UHD capable.

I've got a 105 and it does a very good job of upscaling Blu-ray to 4k but I think my LG E6 OLED does just as good a job with 1080p and I think Blu-ray looks better on the 4K OLED than it did on my 1080p Panasonic plasma though there are probably a number of things contributing to that. I think the 105 does do better at upscaling DVDs to 4K. Your results using the 103D with a 4K display should be pretty similar to my results with the 105. Overall I think you'll be very happy with the results you get using the 103D with a 4K screen but UHD discs definitely look better than Blu-ray. There is a 203 in my life as soon as it gets released here in Australia.

The problem with running all video sources into the TV really comes with audio, not video. There's no problems if you can run separate video and audio outputs from the source device but if the source device only has HDMI output and you run that to the TV, you've got the problem of how you get the audio signal back to the AVR. You can use the HDMI ARC channel but ARC can be problematic with some TV/receiver combinations and sometimes the TV down mixes multichannel signals to stereo over ARC as well. The other option provided is usually an optical digital connection but that can have limitations too. Passing both video and audio through the AVR is the simplest way to deal with video source devices and sometimes it's the best way to get good audio results. I've got the latest Apple TV and a Chromecast Ultra and both of them only have a single HDMI output so the simplest way to connect them and get good audio and video is actually to pass them through my 105 or to connect them directly to my AVR. If you're going to connect something to the TV and pass the audio from the TV to your AVR, read the section in your TV's manual about passing digital audio to an AVR carefully because choosing the right setting can make the difference between getting surround sound passed to your AVR or downmixed stereo passed to your AVR. and every TV seems to have it's own set of options for configuring things.
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Most UHD players including the 203 when released have 2 HDMI outputs so you can use one to pass video to your display and the other to pass audio to a receiver, just like your 103D allows you to split video and audio so you don't have to worry about whether your AVR is UHD capable.

I've got a 105 and it does a very good job of upscaling Blu-ray to 4k but I think my LG E6 OLED does just as good a job with 1080p and I think Blu-ray looks better on the 4K OLED than it did on my 1080p Panasonic plasma though there are probably a number of things contributing to that. I think the 105 does do better at upscaling DVDs to 4K. Your results using the 103D with a 4K display should be pretty similar to my results with the 105. Overall I think you'll be very happy with the results you get using the 103D with a 4K screen but UHD discs definitely look better than Blu-ray. There is a 203 in my life as soon as it gets released here in Australia.

The problem with running all video sources into the TV really comes with audio, not video. There's no problems if you can run separate video and audio outputs from the source device but if the source device only has HDMI output and you run that to the TV, you've got the problem of how you get the audio signal back to the AVR. You can use the HDMI ARC channel but ARC can be problematic with some TV/receiver combinations and sometimes the TV down mixes multichannel signals to stereo over ARC as well. The other option provided is usually an optical digital connection but that can have limitations too. Passing both video and audio through the AVR is the simplest way to deal with video source devices and sometimes it's the best way to get good audio results. I've got the latest Apple TV and a Chromecast Ultra and both of them only have a single HDMI output so the simplest way to connect them and get good audio and video is actually to pass them through my 105 or to connect them directly to my AVR. If you're going to connect something to the TV and pass the audio from the TV to your AVR, read the section in your TV's manual about passing digital audio to an AVR carefully because choosing the right setting can make the difference between getting surround sound passed to your AVR or downmixed stereo passed to your AVR. and every TV seems to have it's own set of options for configuring things.

Hi David,

If you are using the Oppo to do the upscaling, have you switched on 'Deep Color' also?

Cheers, John
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If you are using the Oppo to do the upscaling, have you switched on 'Deep Color' also?

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I switched it on, and I switched it off.

It made a difference but it seemed to be mostly noticeable to me as a slight increase in saturation which I noticed in close up scenes with faces which looked slightly flushed compared to how they look with it turned off. My E6 has been calibrated and the calibration was done with deep colour turned off. I prefer the calibration result so I switched deep colour off when I noticed the effect on faces.

It was a quite small difference, hard to see or rather I didn't notice anything on a lot of things. I wondered about whether I would notice any banding in areas like skies but didn't notice any banding in the scenes I looked at. I didn't notice the colour effects on things like trees or coloured objects, probably because I didn't have any strong expectations about what they should look like in terms of colour, but I pay attention to faces and do have expectations about what a particular person looks like in content I'm familiar with and that's where I noticed something.

Writing that made me realise that there is one other experiment I could try. I've got a separate audio system and what I've found helps me decide whether or not I like a change I've made in that system and I'm on the borderline between preferring or not preferring it, what I do is go out and buy a new CD I'm unfamiliar with and see how I feel about how things sound when I play it because I have no expectations for how the voices or instruments sound and I can't be influenced by familiarity and expectation. So perhaps what I should do is buy a movie or TV show I haven't seen and turn deep colour on before starting to watch it, then after half an hour or an hour or so turn deep colour off and see what I think of the change. I might tip the other way on whether I prefer deep colour or not.

Oppo say in the manual that the difference using deep colour is going to be small and I definitely agree with them based on my experience. If you're wondering about it then I think it's something you have to try for yourself because I think the difference is very slight and it's definitely going to come down to personal preference. It wasn't a big enough difference to make me decide that one way was right and the other was wrong, both ways looked good. It came down to which way I preferred and I swapped between one and the other several times before finally deciding to leave it off.
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Thanks for your reply David, I'll have a play about with it.

Cheers, John
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