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It sounds like the kind of automatic processing that the people who know a great deal more than I do (seriously, you guys are very smart people) always advise people to turn off. I trust your opinions, and I trust Oppo engineers, I'm just trying to get a handle around what this does, especially for 1080P content. Is there anything you could compare it to?

From the notes it sounds like it's trying to enhance the 3d depth of field on a 2d screen?
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Re: Darbee standalone price


i don't think so. We will have to wait.

 

 

It's called the Darbee Fidelio.

 

I believe it was first shown at CEDIA 2011.  I saw it there in Indianapolis in 2011 and was told the price would be north of $1000.00.

 

It was shown again at CEDIA 2012.  Tom Norton of Sound & Vision did a story and reported a price of around $2000.00.  Here's the link:  http://www.soundandvision.com/content/darbee-fidelio

 

So this is the third CEDIA that it's been shown.  To be fair it is supposed to do more and offer more control than the Darblet DVP-5000.

 

I think this information along with understanding the price of the stand alone Darblet DVP-5000 simply makes the combination of the BDP-103 and the Darblet DVP-5000 and excellent value.

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It sounds like the kind of automatic processing that the people who know a great deal more than I do (seriously, you guys are very smart people) always advise people to turn off. I trust your opinions, and I trust Oppo engineers, I'm just trying to get a handle around what this does, especially for 1080P content. Is there anything you could compare it to?

From the notes it sounds like it's trying to enhance the 3d depth of field on a 2d screen?

You might try the links in the FAQ and in the first post of this thread.

The problem is that videophiles are a bit schizo. Everyone wants an image that is accurate to the original source, but if you give a viewer a choice between a range of images as to which is most pleasing, they might not choose the most accurate.

You can have it either way, you just switch it on or off, or turn it up or down.

The Darbee is a new thing in that it can increase perceived detail without drawing lines around the shapes, which is how old sharpening controls worked, which destroys the actual fine detail. I believe it does it by messing with the luma channel in different ways in different parts of the image, dynamically altering local contrast. (But neither have I read deeply into the technology).

If I become aware of a video processing "look" I tend not to like it. At HiDef 35% I find the look unobjectionable.

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Does the 103D have the new 5100 new algorithm enhancements?

"DarbeeVision presents the new DVP-5100. This device is the successor to the popular Darbee Darblet DVP-5000 HDMI enhancer, the DVP-5100 uses a new algorithm to reduce artefacts and providing a more realistic picture, with more depth and more accurate> "
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I wanted to know how it will compare to the Oppo since he owned one but that is too much for you to handle.smile.gif FYI, Oppo has the same Darbee in it.
Would not have known that by your post?
The DVP processing is programmed into an FPGA, so functionally it is equivalent, but compared to a Darblet it is quite different.

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Does the 103D have the new 5100 new algorithm enhancements?

"DarbeeVision presents the new DVP-5100. This device is the successor to the popular Darbee Darblet DVP-5000 HDMI enhancer, the DVP-5100 uses a new algorithm to reduce artefacts and providing a more realistic picture, with more depth and more accurate> "
It has the most recent code that has been programmed in, it can be updated the same as the main, loader for example. The BDP-103D is even more updatable in that regard. If there are newer algorithm enhancements then those would come as a update.
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Will OPPO be offering an upgrade service to owners of the 103 to the Darbee version the same way they do for 83 owners upgrading to 83SE?
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Will OPPO be offering an upgrade service to owners of the 103 to the Darbee version the same way they do for 83 owners upgrading to 83SE?
This is a hardware revision so no upgrade options for existing owners.

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As stated, there's no upgrade path. You should consider selling your 103 as an alternative.
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Pretty nice to know the Darbee version can be upgraded.

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^ Yes, if you've done firmware updates on the 103 you'll know there are 3 parts to the firmware which can be updated (Main, Loader, and Sub/MCU). For the 103D there are 4 parts -- with the Darbee part being the new one.

I should add that the Support page on the OPPO Digital site for the 103D has not yet been updated to reflect the new player. The firmware info and User Manual on there are still for the original 103.
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(Oh, and LPCM is "lossless" by definition, since "lossless" means able to reproduce the original, master LPCM.)
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Bravo! I can't stand it when some defender of linguistic purity says PCM and LPCM aren't "lossless" because that term, in their minds, can only be used to distinguish lossless compression from lossy, confusing the hell out of non-technical folks in the process, and causing them to avoid the uncompressed track because they think that means PCM and LPCM aren't any good!

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As a BDP-93 owner, I'm a bit disturbed to hear it implied that the QDEO processor on my HDMI1 output has non-defeatable noise reduction. The only reason I would even consider a 103D would be to be able to have unmolested video - I doubt that I'd ever actually use the Darbee.

However, a superficial reading of this thread suggests that a simpler and cheaper route to the same result would be to simply use the 93's second HDMI output! (I use the multichannel analog outputs.)

Are there significant improvements in the video output of the 103D (with Darbee off) over the 93's HDMI 2?

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It has the most recent code that has been programmed in, it can be updated the same as the main, loader for example. The BDP-103D is even more updatable in that regard. If there are newer algorithm enhancements then those would come as a update.


Thanks, I had assumed yes, but reassuring to know.
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I have always thought the 2012 Panasonic BR player SD DVD upscaling what much better than the 103 SD output. Am I being too hopeful that the 103D SD DVD processing with Darbee might be equal or better then Panasonic's SD processing? It seems possible, since I thought the 103 SD output always quite soft as compared to the Panasonic's SD output.

Dreaming. Or perhaps just trying to justify a 103D? LOL
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As a BDP-93 owner, I'm a bit disturbed to hear it implied that the QDEO processor on my HDMI1 output has non-defeatable noise reduction. The only reason I would even consider a 103D would be to be able to have unmolested video - I doubt that I'd ever actually use the Darbee.

Go back and read the reports. The "decreased sharpness" is with the BDP-103 and not the BDP-93 players. But most of us do not see any difference in the picture output of HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 of the BDP-103.

Continue to use the BDP-93 with HDMI 1. If you liked your picture quality already, then you do not need to worry about anything.
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Bob,
i am enjoying my 103 since 5 months with my Dish HD receiver with Sony upscale TV now i just ordered 103 D ...for your tested result will i get more benefit from 103 D????
and i am using 1080i as native resolution so what will be my new setting for 103 D (as it will be here next week)
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It sounds like the kind of automatic processing that the people who know a great deal more than I do (seriously, you guys are very smart people) always advise people to turn off. I trust your opinions, and I trust Oppo engineers, I'm just trying to get a handle around what this does, especially for 1080P content. Is there anything you could compare it to?

From the notes it sounds like it's trying to enhance the 3d depth of field on a 2d screen?

Simply described, Darbee makes the picture look like it has tightened the focus on your screen a little bit, and it does this without changing the inherent qualities of the picture or adding noticeable artifacts (when used at a reasonable setting, 50% or below).
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Bravo! I can't stand it when some defender of linguistic purity says PCM and LPCM aren't "lossless" because that term, in their minds, can only be used to distinguish lossless compression from lossy, confusing the hell out of non-technical folks in the process, and causing them to avoid the uncompressed track because they think that means PCM and LPCM aren't any good!

Sorry to be a nit-picker, but these are technical terms with technical meanings. "Lossless" refers to compression, and PCM is not compressed at all. It is not accurate to say that PCM is "lossless." They are different things, even if the end result is equivalent.

That there is confusion in the marketplace about the difference between lossless and uncompressed is a marketing issue that doesn't particularly concern me.

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I have a 64" PDP, I sit about 8 ft away would I see any benefit from any processing of the 103D?

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I have a 64" PDP, I sit about 8 ft away would I see any benefit from any processing of the 103D?

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You might try the Darblet thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet. Since the -103D isn't shipping yet there won't be any user reviews here, but reports from Darblet users should amount to the same thing.

"Benefit" is subjective. You can certainly turn it up high enough that the effect is obvious, but also ludicrous. Turning it down such that there is no enhancement "look" that harms the image, but still gives benefit, is something you have to try yourself.

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^ Yes, if you've done firmware updates on the 103 you'll know there are 3 parts to the firmware which can be updated (Main, Loader, and Sub/MCU). For the 103D there are 4 parts -- with the Darbee part being the new one.

I should add that the Support page on the OPPO Digital site for the 103D has not yet been updated to reflect the new player. The firmware info and User Manual on there are still for the original 103.
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To me this is a bonus over the Darblet, since it has to be sent back for updates.

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You might try the Darblet thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet. Since the -103D isn't shipping yet there won't be any user reviews here, but reports from Darblet users should amount to the same thing.

"Benefit" is subjective. You can certainly turn it up high enough that the effect is obvious, but also ludicrous. Turning it down such that there is no enhancement "look" that harms the image, but still gives benefit, is something you have to try yourself.

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Cool thanks for the info.

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They're early!

Ordered yesterday afternoon and got an email this morning to come pick it up, which I did.

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Nice. Hopefully means folks like me that ordered for shipment will see em go out early next week smile.gif

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The Amazon order page for the 103D now shows "2 sellers". In reality they are BOTH OPPO Digital.

What's going on is that one line is for the base price 103D. The second line is for the bundle of the 103D + Roku Streaming Stick (OEM version -- i.e., discounted price and without Roku's separate remote control).
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They're early!

Ordered yesterday afternoon and got an email this morning to come pick it up, which I did.

When you get it hooked up, please go into Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information and post here ALL the firmware version number lines you find in there so we Beta Testers will know exactly which firmware is pre-installed in the newly shipping units. Thanks!

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OPPO UK has now also posted specs for the BDP-103D (for EU customers)

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/ecommerce/blu-ray-players/BDP-103D.aspx

Still waiting on firmware information and the downloadable User Manual.
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They're early!

Ordered yesterday afternoon and got an email this morning to come pick it up, which I did.

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