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post #1621 of 4618 Old 12-12-2013, 04:29 PM
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ok thanks its not that big of a deal as i could just have the sound output with the Marantz as that seems to works fine.

I have one more question I'm considering getting netflix utilizing the oppo but will the movies look (1080p)and sound (surround sound)as good as a dvd disc?
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I think Netflix can look better than DVD if you have a good connection, especially the newer movies and their originals series. It wont look better than blu-ray though.

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I think Netflix can look better than DVD if you have a good connection, especially the newer movies and their originals series. It wont look better than blu-ray though.

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For ME, just about any recent movie that was released in Bluray and shows as "Super HD" looks AS GOOD as Bluray. I do have an excellent connection/speed--averages 35 down and 4.25 up. JMHO

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For ME, just about any recent movie that was released in Bluray and shows as "Super HD" looks AS GOOD as Bluray. I do have an excellent connection/speed--averages 35 down and 4.25 up. JMHO

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You must have a smaller display. I have never seen any NF stream look even close to BD quality on my projection system.
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My speed is only about half of what yours is, but afaik it shouldn't make a dif as long as you are getting the 1080p stream.

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You must have a smaller display. I have never seen any NF stream look even close to BD quality on my projection system.
JVC RS40 with screen size of about 8' x 4'.
My speed is only about half of what yours is, but afaik it shouldn't make a dif as long as you are getting the 1080p stream.

Viewing on both a 73" Mits DLP and a 120" screen with a Viewsonic Pro8100 & an Epson 3010. It does seem like the pq went way up since I recently switched IPs and got the much higher speeds so maybe it does make a difference.confused.gif Again, IMHO. smile.gif
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I have to agree. I was stunned to find that on some movies the Super HD moniker is almost warranted! There is ABSOLUTELY no doubt in my mind that the picture quality has increased tremendously. Whereas months ago I would not watch Netflix on my projector, lately I find the picture quality to be close enough to blu ray that from a distance I have to try to remember what source I am watching. For reference, I am using a Benq 1070, Oppo 105 and 110" elite screen. The very best of the new Netflix rivals mediocre blu ray at a minimum... and at 110" I notice the difference easily.

Added: BTW, I am hardwired to my FIOS setup so lag and streaming is not an issue unless it is a major issue (ie at Verizon, etc)
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Viewing on both a 73" Mits DLP and a 120" screen with a Viewsonic Pro8100 & an Epson 3010. It does seem like the pq went way up since I recently switched IPs and got the much higher speeds so maybe it does make a difference.confused.gif Again, IMHO. smile.gif

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Dear forum mates: I bought an oppo Bd 103 Darbee,  and want to connect it  to my net cable receiver, via HDMI. I have a Sharp elite tv set, a projector, and a screen 120". I would like to have the NET signal processed by the player Darbee mode and sent it  to both tv and projector. My receiver is the Onkyo 5010 and I use  the two hdmi out connections. I'm a noob and any assistance on this matter is welcome. Thanks, in advance for the help. waltiesantos

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Hi Friends

I don't have a 3D compliant AV receiver and would like to use my 103D as my video processor.

Can I connect my AV receiver HDMI out to 103D HDMI input and have 103D sends video via HDMI to 3D projector. I would connect one other Pioneer 3D player using the other HDMI input in 103D and have the HDMI audio out from Pioneer sends audio to AV receiver. My other non 3D sources will be connected to the AV receiver.

Does this connection works?

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That will work. HDMI 1 to the display will do 3D and HDMI 2 to the receiver will do audio. I recommend setting 3D Mode to FORCED and Blank HDMI 2 to ON under 3D Settings.
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Dear forum mates: I bought an oppo Bd 103 Darbee,  and want to connect it  to my net cable receiver, via HDMI. I have a Sharp elite tv set, a projector, and a screen 120". I would like to have the NET signal processed by the player Darbee mode and sent it  to both tv and projector. My receiver is the Onkyo 5010 and I use  the two hdmi out connections. I'm a noob and any assistance on this matter is welcome. Thanks, in advance for the help. waltiesantos

That will work.
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hey guys i downloaded the latest firmware update for my 103d, and was wondering if it can be reversed. streaming videos on youtube i dont like the new browser,and seemes like i cant stream a netflex movie. hope someone can shed some light on this.
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Is this a real upgrade over a 93 with regard to upscaling DVDs? Thanx.
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Neuromancer or whoever else: Since I don't have the acquired Oppo yet, I read most of the thread without reaching the best solution. I am thinking of something like:

 

1) connect the hdmi cable from Net to hdmi input 1 in the the BD player;

2), connect one hdmi cable from output 1 in the player to the hdmi Net input in the net receiver;

3) the blue ray cable to the hdmi input 2 in the BD player;

4) put an hdmi cable connecting the hdmi cablel/sattelite in the receiver to the the hdmi 1 in the tv set;

5) link the output 2 in the BD to the BD/DVD hdmi input in thew receiver;

6/ Choose the dual mode

 

I want to priorize the HDTV with the darbee mode in bothe the tv and projector.

 

Will that do?

 

Thanks to any suggestion. Waltiesantos

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Is this a real upgrade over a 93 with regard to upscaling DVDs? Thanx.

It's a matter of opinion. Both players pass the standard tests. To my eye the -93 looks a bit edgier, which may be called sharper. The -103D has optional Darbee processing, which is new and causing quite a lot of excitement.

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I recently purchased BDP-103D to replace Samsung72 BDP-2500 BR player. My setup consists of an old Panasonic 720p 42" plasma (soon being upgraded to TC-65PVT60), Anthem MRX 300 receiver and a custom built HTPC. To take advantage of Darbee, I re-routed my HTPC to 103D via HDMI input at the back. Oppo manual mentions sample rate of 192 KHz upto 5.1 ch is supported on the HDMI input.

The problem is the my HTPC HDMI Audio (on ATI 5700) reports maximum sample rate supported as 96 KHz and hence I cannot play some 176.4KHz/2ch files via Foobar on HTPC. When HTPC was connected directly to MRX 300, sample rates upto 192KHz were supported. I have a 6.1 speaker setup and therefore my default config for HTPC HDMI audio output is 7.1 - I tried re-configuring that to 5.1 ch, but the max sample rate supported did not change.

Before contacting Oppo support, I want to check if anyone has successfully got HDMI back input working with audio sample rate greater than 96 KHz?
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I ordered a 103d direct from Oppo and will be getting it soon.

When you have multple devices, some older, how do you run everything through the Oppo and use its processing for video?

Sony 777 DVD changer, Samsung f8500 plasma, Marantz 7002 for audio (will be upgrading to Krell Foundation), Direct TV and Control4 HC-800.

DVD changer is easy, no HDMI, component

Thought about running everything into Marantz unit, then using HDMI out on Marantz into HDMI of Oppo. Marantz unit is HDMI 1.2 and Oppo is HDMI 1.4.

Whats the best way and what am i running into?

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You can run everything into the Marantz then connect the Marantz into the player, but you will likely run into a HDMI issue where the player will stop outputting HDMI audio and video if HDMI 2 is going to the receiver. You may need to use HDMI 1 to the display for video and multi-channel analog to your receiver for audio in order to use the Marantz as a switch.

The player also has two HDMI ports, and the player will replace your Sony player, so you can connect the DirectTV and one other device to the player, then connect HDMI 1 to the display for video; HDMI 2 to the receiver for audio, and remove any HDMI cable from your Marantz to your display as it is no longer necessary.
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HI

I have a basic question. Under the HDMI Options and DEEP COLOR. What is DITHERING TECHNIQUE, and does it effect the Darbee Function.

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I have a basic question. Under the HDMI Options and DEEP COLOR. What is DITHERING TECHNIQUE, and does it effect the Darbee Function.

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Dithering is a randomization technique for the low order video bits used to prevent visible quantization artifacts. Dithering is needed at some point before the pixels light up in modern digital displays. In MOST cases, your display is already doing Dithering in between receiving the video input and lighting up the pixels, in which case you don't want to have the OPPO do it as well. However, some displays will bypass dithering -- for example, if they think they are configured to receive input from a Computer. And for those setups, the ability to Dither in the OPPO is invaluable.

Basically the only way to know if Dithering is good to turn on is to check for smoothness of color ramps. However the typical smooth color ramps on calibration discs don't show it readily as the rounding error regions are too narrow to stand out.

I've written in the 93 thread of a particular, critical scene in Chapter 10 of "Ratatouille", Blu-ray, that seems to be particularly sensitive as a test of which Color Space and Deep Color choice combos are working best for your combination of AVR and Display, and whether or not to use Dithering falls out of that as well. Do a search in the 93 thread for posts by me mentioning "Ratatouille" and you'll find it. Note that this is a test to ferret out quirks (read "bugs") in your AVR/Display combo. The REAL difference between these choice combos should be subtle to invisible if everything is working correctly. So you use the test to find combos which are noticeably inferior, and discard those combos -- hopefully leaving you with at least one combo choice that works well. If your Display is already doing Dithering, then you won't see an improvement from turning Dithering ON in the OPPO -- and, thus it should be left OFF.

Dithering is an output stage function, after Darbee, and does not impinge on the value of Darbee.
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Thanks Bob for your explanation. I will look at the 93 posts as well as the test to find best combo.

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Dithering is a randomization technique for the low order video bits used to prevent visible quantization artifacts.
Basically the only way to know if Dithering is good to turn on is to check for smoothness of color ramps. However the typical smooth color ramps on calibration discs don't show it readily as the rounding error regions are too narrow to stand out.

Dithering is an output stage function, after Darbee, and does not impinge on the value of Darbee.
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Hi Bob
Great explanation
Further to my previous post when using the colour ramps on S&M second edition disc there is visible quantization / rounding of Blue and Red ramps with Darbee On at 38% Green is unaffected, it disappears and is smooth with Darbee off
Although the picture doesn't seem to be affected in any way
Any idea why this would be the case as all reviews say Darbee causes no artefacts?
Also thanks for all your input on this thread, very educational
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hi, quick one

 

I have connected my media player (iomega tv) to the oppo

 

While the opo uspacales the content to 1080p, the files are played at 60Hz rather than 24Hz (for ex the files that are 23.xxMHz). How can i force to play the files at 24Mhz? Ihave set every 24MHz option to on

 

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hi, quick one

I have connected my media player (iomega tv) to the oppo

While the opo uspacales the content to 1080p, the files are played at 60Hz rather than 24Hz (for ex the files that are 23.xxMHz). How can i force to play the files at 24Mhz? Ihave set every 24MHz option to on

Thanks

What is the pixel resolution of the original files? Only 1080p sources retain the 23.976 frame rate when the OPPO displays them.

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What is the pixel resolution of the original files? Only 1080p sources retain the 23.976 frame rate when the OPPO displays them.

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thank you,

 

files are mostly 720p. So to maintain the 23.976, should I disable 1080p upscaling in oppo?

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thank you,

files are mostly 720p. So to maintain the 23.976, should I disable 1080p upscaling in oppo?

I think you can't get 720p24 from the player at all, but that's by what others have reported; I've never tried it myself.

What happens when you set output resolution to Source Direct?

Is your media player connected to the HDMI input on the player? If so, try a file on local storage to see if the rules are different there.

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Hello.

 

New 103D owner here. I’ve just joined AVS to thank OPPO for this extraordinary product and to share my initial experiences and impressions.

 

The wifie bought the 103D as a Christmas gift for me. It arrived last week, and I’m completely thrilled with both the video and audio performance of this player, as well as its build quality. I got to pick which model she ordered, and considered the 105, but opted for this model because of its onboard Darbee processing. I plan to use the player primarily with DVD and Blu-ray video material, so this model was ideal for me.

 

I was able to obtain all the IR hex codes, except for the Darbee function from the OPPO website, so I had my Philips 9400 remote nearly ready to rock with the new player before it ever arrived. The Darbee IR code was the only one I needed to add to the database with the OPPO remote. If you’re still in need of this particular code, it is as follows for command set #1:

 

0000 006C 0022 0002 015A 00AD 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0600 015A 0055 0015 0E62

 

By now, someone else may well have already posted this code. I read through only the first 20 and the last five pages of this thread and didn’t see the code listed on any of those pages, so I’ve posted it here, just in case.

 

Before ever loading a disc or adjusting any of the OPPO’s settings, I downloaded the ISO file containing the latest firmware (10X-67-1204), burned it to a CD-R, and blasted it into the new unit. The firmware update was painless and completed without a hitch. When I loaded the first disc, the 103D produced excellent quality audio and video, even with all the settings at their defaults. Much better than my previous Blu-ray.

 

This player replaces last year’s top Sony model in my main system. I have absolutely despised that Sony since day 1. (I think my wife decided to buy me an OPPO out of fear I’d eventually pop a blood vessel while raging at that thing.) I do still have another Sony (model NSZ-GT1) connected to the system, which I use for Internet/streaming content, but the OPPO will definitely be my choice for video disc playback.

 

I appreciate the three programmable user modes offered by the 103D. My wife had ordered the Spears and Munsil calibration disc with the OPPO, and I took the time to configure one mode using this disc. After I had performed all the calibrations as directed, I ended up with my least favorite video settings. The settings are still programmed into that mode, but I won’t use it, so I guess I don’t qualify as a “real” videophile. To my eye, the picture looks dark, dull, and flat, even compared to the mode that I left at factory defaults.

 

I have tweaked the third mode to my viewing preferences, and videos are unbelievably lifelike with this mode selected. All of my sources are connected into an Emotiva UMC-1 preamp/processor, which feeds a 64” Panasonic TC-65PS64 plasma. With this setup, I’m getting excellent results running the Darbee processor in FP mode @ 100% with DVD’s. For Blu-rays, I use the Darbee in HD (or sometimes Gaming mode, depending on the source material) @ 50% and loving the results.

 

Sitting 8 feet from the screen, I’m not noticing any of the artifacts that were described in earlier posts by some other users – at least not with any of the discs I’ve tried so far, so the firmware update seems to have been successful in minimizing those. And the sense of depth produced by the Darbee circuitry whenever the camera dollies one way or the other, or is raised/lowered is amazing, much more so than when a stationary camera is just panning or tilting. Exactly what I was hoping for. Love it. :)

 

The 103D produces excellent audio, as well, even running both the audio and video signals through the single HDMI cable provided with the player. (Custom 8-channel SACD cable on the way from Ram Electronics for comparison.) Much better sound imaging and less coloration than I ever got with the previous Sony. I’m running a 7.1 audio configuration with large floor-standing speakers for my main LF/RF and LR/RR channels. The Emo pre/pro feeds the center channel, sides, and backs into a Nakamichi PA-1 and the L/R front channels into a Crown K-2. (My subs are self-powered.) Awesome sound.

 

Thanks, OPPO. :)

 

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