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Hi mates: maybe a I get some report back to my question. I was reading the thread and came to the new informed beta version BDP10X-68-1225B. Mine is the BDP 10X-60.0910. Reading the product support by Oppo, it is stated that the major changes included in this version are: 2) improved HDMI handshake performance for the the HDMI input ports. Can this be the solution to my problem with the NET decoder, receiver 5010 and Oppo 103D, related to the handshaking issue. Is there someone with such an equal or similar problem solutioned with the new firmware? My thanks in advance.

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Well, instead of visualizing it, why don't you just experience it, then talk about it?

Way too many people spending money on theoretical performance. Even arguing about it's merits on the internet without ANY actual experience. Hilarious...

I've had heights and wides for a year or more. Depending on the lay out of the actual room, my room is wider than long, the wides can add a lot of "immersion" to the experience. Heights, not so much. I'd rather have both than rears in my room.

I thought this was a thread on Oppo 103 and Darbee processing, silly me...

No offense to Philnick intended, but I was looking for feedback regarding either adding Heights to my environment or not, and specifically was looking for someone like ocezam who has first hand experience with it. But after looking into how they should be mounted It's probably not going to be worth the hassle right now. I'll reevaluate when I move next year.

Ocezam, any ideas about whether I should hook up the hdmi directly from the oppo to the tv or off it's ok to run it through the reciever? I want to be sure to get clean video and reduce lag before it gets to the TV while cutting any processing that the reciever may introduce. I believe there is one of the HDMI ports that bypasses the Faroudja DCDI chip but I still have not confirmed which that is yet.
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Worth the extra money? Looking for opinions from owners or viewers of both.... Was it worth the extra clarity?  Also was either of them worth the extra 300-400$ ????

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Worth the extra money? Looking for opinions from owners or viewers of both.... Was it worth the extra clarity?

It depends on how much you like Darbee processing. When used correctly it is a subtle effect, but has a growing fan base.


 
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Well, that really depends on your needs. If a $100 player has all the features you want, then it would be hard to justify the extra cost.

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Worth the extra money? Looking for opinions from owners or viewers of both.... Was it worth the extra clarity?  Also was either of them worth the extra 300-400$ ????

I haven't got the 103, but the 103D which I have had only a week and haven't tested too much, but compared to my bdp-93 it's AWESOME, and Darbee for $100 is a no brainer based on my interpretations of the reviews.
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So the 103 has undefeatable if slight NR, and the 103D does not. So the 103D had a sharper picture? I plan to turn off all processing on the 103D as well, throwing a pure source. Does that make a difference, would the 103D still have a better pic than the 103 if all processing is turned off on both. Thank you, sorry a noob question, thanks again
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So the 103 has undefeatable if slight NR, and the 103D does not. So the 103D had a sharper picture? I plan to turn off all processing on the 103D as well, throwing a pure source. Does that make a difference, would the 103D still have a better pic than the 103 if all processing is turned off on both. Thank you, sorry a noob question, thanks again

My 103D is about a month old. I found out there is no need to process a Bluray with Darbee. Best picture for me on Bluray is with Darbee off. Other sources with Darbee on at 20%-30%
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That's what I thought. Does the 103, if anyone knows, have the same pic quality as the 103D with all process off? Or does the 103 have NR? It's just if it doesn't I wouldn't wanna spend 100 bucks more. You know. Thanks
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Most people think the better the source, the better the Darbee effect.

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That's what I thought. Does the 103, if anyone knows, have the same pic quality as the 103D with all process off? Or does the 103 have NR? It's just if it doesn't I wouldn't wanna spend 100 bucks more. You know. Thanks
The 103 has a small amount of processing on HDMI1 that can't be disabled. HDMI2 on the 103 doesn't have that processing - HDMI2 on the 103 should be identical to HDMI1 or HDMI2 on the 103D with all processing disabled.
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No offense to Philnick intended, but I was looking for feedback regarding either adding Heights to my environment or not, and specifically was looking for someone like ocezam who has first hand experience with it. But after looking into how they should be mounted It's probably not going to be worth the hassle right now. I'll reevaluate when I move next year.
There are better places on AVS to discuss this topic, where you'll get more useful feedback from a variety of people who have experience with height and width channels.
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Ocezam, any ideas about whether I should hook up the hdmi directly from the oppo to the tv or off it's ok to run it through the reciever? I want to be sure to get clean video and reduce lag before it gets to the TV while cutting any processing that the reciever may introduce. I believe there is one of the HDMI ports that bypasses the Faroudja DCDI chip but I still have not confirmed which that is yet.
Assuming you can disable any video processing in your receiver, the only reason to use both HDMI outputs on the Oppo is if you have a specific need for it, such as a 3D TV and an AVR that can't handle 3D.
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That's what I thought. Does the 103, if anyone knows, have the same pic quality as the 103D with all process off? Or does the 103 have NR? It's just if it doesn't I wouldn't wanna spend 100 bucks more. You know. Thanks

Spend the $100. Unless you watch only Blurays, you will be using Darbee. Most of us are using the 103D as the processor for all video signals except Bluray. On the 103D, you can turn off Darbee processing and its basically source direct. The 103 does processing all the time, not defeatable. Plus, if you want to upgrade to a newer model down the road, the 103D will hold its value better. Oppo players do a great job of holding their value.

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Spend the $100. Unless you watch only Blurays, you will be using Darbee. Most of us are using the 103D as the processor for all video signals except Bluray. On the 103D, you can turn off Darbee processing and its basically source direct. The 103 does processing all the time, not defeatable. Plus, if you want to upgrade to a newer model down the road, the 103D will hold its value better. Oppo players do a great job of holding their value.

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Actually only using it for blu rays. So if that's the case since they are both the same then, I will get the 103. And use the hdmi 2 output on source direct and not have the processing the hdmi 1 has
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Actually only using it for blu rays. So if that's the case since they are both the same then, I will get the 103. And use the hdmi 2 output on source direct and not have the processing the hdmi 1 has

Are you doing any switching for video in your receiver? 103D processing does a better job then the upconverting-processing of the AVR. I use my AVR for switching, then take the HDMI out from AVR to HDMI in on 103D. It cleans up the signal great on my Direct TV and my old Sony777 DVD Changer. You can feed all your video signals through the 103D and clean them up. Even my Sony777 changer goes Component into AVR, upconverted to HDMI, then fed into 103D with Darbee and out to TV. It works.

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Spend the $100. Unless you watch only Blurays, you will be using Darbee. Most of us are using the 103D as the processor for all video signals except Bluray. On the 103D, you can turn off Darbee processing and its basically source direct. The 103 does processing all the time, not defeatable. Plus, if you want to upgrade to a newer model down the road, the 103D will hold its value better. Oppo players do a great job of holding their value.
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My 103D is about a month old. I found out there is no need to process a Bluray with Darbee. Best picture for me on Bluray is with Darbee off. Other sources with Darbee on at 20%-30%

The term "need" may be interpretive in this case.
Personally I find the better the original source material is, it can look even better with Darbee processing.
I find the lower quality source material doesn't benefit as much, but Darbee does help it.
I find a lot of BDs to benefit from around 50%/hi-def on the Darbee scale, but sometimes I turn it down to 40 or 35 if it looks too artificial.
For something like average DVD material, I find that turning it above 35% makes the picture look more degraded rather than enhanced.
This is just how it looks to me in real world viewing on a larger projection system.
There may not be a "need" for Darbee on most BD material, but I think it still makes it look better.
Better contrast and sharpness, resulting in perceived depth... and to me that's a good thing.
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Just received my 103D today! Who knew Canada Post delivers on Sundays!
2 questions.
First i hooked up the Oppo to power amps in a 7.1 configuration and using the Spears and Munsil disc to calibrate audio. But every time i play a new chapter, there static coming from the speakers.
Anyone else experience this? I have updated to the newest firmware.
Second, do i manually set +10db for the subwoofers? All other speakers are calibrated to 75db whereas the subs are reading 69db.

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^chapter? chapter of what?

Like starting a new test...just accessing different part of disc. Once i stop and start to play something else i hear it.

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No offense to Philnick intended, but I was looking for feedback regarding either adding Heights to my environment or not, and specifically was looking for someone like ocezam who has first hand experience with it. But after looking into how they should be mounted It's probably not going to be worth the hassle right now. I'll reevaluate when I move next year.

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No offense taken, but your post made no mention of Height speakers, just to improving 5.1 performance by moving more speakers to the front. If you had referred to Height (or width) speakers, I wouldn't have jumped in, since I have no experience with them.

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Just received my 103D today! Who knew Canada Post delivers on Sundays!
2 questions.
First i hooked up the Oppo to power amps in a 7.1 configuration and using the Spears and Munsil disc to calibrate audio. But every time i play a new chapter, there static coming from the speakers.
Anyone else experience this? I have updated to the newest firmware.
Second, do i manually set +10db for the subwoofers? All other speakers are calibrated to 75db whereas the subs are reading 69db.

TIA
From The Oppo Manua:l If your receiver is capable of HDCD decoding, it is recommended that you set the HDCD
Decoding setting to Off on the BDP-103 in order to avoid decoding HDCD twice. This will
prevent the occasional pop or crackle sounds that occur when HDCD is decoded twice

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From The Oppo Manua:l If your receiver is capable of HDCD decoding, it is recommended that you set the HDCD
Decoding setting to Off on the BDP-103 in order to avoid decoding HDCD twice. This will
prevent the occasional pop or crackle sounds that occur when HDCD is decoded twice

Just a shot in the dark

Thanks for reply but no receiver is hooked up to the Oppo. HDCD is set to off.

Thanks all the same. But the pop/crackle is consistently 2 pops then silence.

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Just received my 103D today! Who knew Canada Post delivers on Sundays!
2 questions.
First i hooked up the Oppo to power amps in a 7.1 configuration and using the Spears and Munsil disc to calibrate audio. But every time i play a new chapter, there static coming from the speakers.
Anyone else experience this? I have updated to the newest firmware.
Second, do i manually set +10db for the subwoofers? All other speakers are calibrated to 75db whereas the subs are reading 69db.

TIA

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Thanks for reply but no receiver is hooked up to the Oppo. HDCD is set to off.

Thanks all the same. But the pop/crackle is consistently 2 pops then silence.

With no AVR doing the decoding and applying the 10db boost to the .1 LFE channel to counteract the 10db cut applied by Dolby encoding, that's got to be by you done manually

Since you're running your analog outputs directly to a power amp, when playing Dolby material you should either:

(A) if the amp has channel trims, set the Oppo's multichannel speaker configuration screen so that all channels are set to 0db, and use the amplifier's controls to either boost the sub channel by 10db or cut back all the others by 10db,

(B) if the amp doesn't have channel trims, set the Oppo's multichannel speaker configuration screen so that all channels except the sub are set to -10db, and the sub is set to 0db.

If you boost any channel's output above 0db in the Oppo, you risk overloading the input to your amp, or the Oppo's output circuitry, if the recorded signal is already strong.

Hope this was of help.

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With no AVR doing the decoding and applying the 10db boost to the .1 LFE channel to counteract the 10db cut applied by Dolby encoding, that's got to be by you done manually

Since you're running your analog outputs directly to a power amp, when playing Dolby material you should either:

(A) if the amp has channel trims, set the Oppo's multichannel speaker configuration screen so that all channels are set to 0db, and use the amplifier's controls to either boost the sub channel by 10db or cut back all the others by 10db,

(B) if the amp doesn't have channel trims, set the Oppo's multichannel speaker configuration screen so that all channels except the sub are set to -10db, and the sub is set to 0db.

If you boost any channel's output above 0db in the Oppo, you risk overloading the input to your amp, or the Oppo's output circuitry, if the recorded signal is already strong.

Hope this was of help.

Thanks for the reply Philnick.

Here is what i did and my results:

First, calibrated sound using an analog sound level meter on Slow and C weighing to 75db from pink noise generated by the Oppo @ 40Hz crossover:

Following are volume on the Oppo:

C = 83.5
R = 85.5
RS = 80
RBS = 83
LBS = 81.5
LS = 79.5
L = 85.5
S = 80.5

Second, readings from sound meter using Spears & Munsil BR @ 80Hz crossover with Oppo volume set to 100.

First units are db from sound meter, second is adjusted db on Oppo's configuration:

C = 77 >> -2.0db
R = 78.5 >> -3.5db
RS = 75.5 >> -0.5db
RBS = 77 >> -2.0db
LBS = 76.5 >> -1.5db
LS = 74.5 >> +0.5db
L = 78.5 >> -3.5db
S = 71 >> +4db, added another +6db to test out bass

These numbers are actual readings and have not been adjusted or corrected from the sound level meter.

Since volume on the Oppo was already @ maximum 100, I thought this way was much easier to calibrate the sound to 75db for all channels whether or not it is more or less accurate then the Oppo's pink noise. In hindsight perhaps i should have use the Oppo's since it seems to play louder by roughly 6db for all channels except the subwoofers.

So Philnick,

If i had to choose one of your options, i will have to go with B) since my amps do not have channel trims, just a 12v trigger. But to set the sub @ 0db and leave rest @ -10db will not guarantee 75db for all channels.
This is where it gets confusing for me. Where did i go wrong?

Haven't stopped playing with it since i unboxed it. Thought i had it correctly calibrated and popped in Serenity. WOW! As soon as movie started playing, the house was rumbling, i was not worried about my equipment one bit but the thought of the house collapsing over me scared me enough to tone done the volume from 100 to 90 on the Oppo instantly. Then gradually from 85...80...and finally near the end of the movie it was down to 70. I have a Yamaha p3200 powering 2 SVS passive cylinder subs from their humble beginnings. They played loud and deep but didn't hear them bottoming. Maybe they did bottom out but i never heard any loud clacks.

The Oppo is awesome! My Rotel RSP-1068 is offline permanently and one expensive paperweight at the moment.

I would like to know how to correctly calibrate the sound volume since i am second guessing at my conclusions. Also, the 2 pops seems to come from the Spears and Munsil disc since i do not recall hearing it while browsing through the Serenity BR but will have to wait to confirm tomorrow.

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The only other thing that occurs to me is that many times, those who output digitally as bitstream and have the kinds of problems you're having - apparently due to authoring issues on some disks - can avoid them by using LPCM.

Even though those settings might seem irrelevant to the analog output, that's not entirely true. Analog control through the speaker configuration screen does not affect SACDs if the Oppo's digital output of them is set to DSD instead of PCM, and if the Oppo is set to bitstream Blu-ray audio digitally, enabling secondary audio will knock sound quality back to lossy Dolby Digital quality - even out the analog jacks!

I use analog audio out on my 93, and I never have those problems, perhaps because I've set my Oppo to send DSD as PCM to allow the Oppo to control the channel trims and distance settings on SACDs, and I've even set the SP/DIF Optical/Coax output to LPCM, even though I'm not using the digital outputs at all. Plus, I've turned off Audio over HDMI entirely, both by setting setting HDMI Audio to Off (all three of the preceding settings are under Audio Format Options) and setting HDMI 1 to Video Only (under HDMI Options).

Perhaps by turning off all bitstream - and most digital - output, I've insulated the Analog outputs from the noise.

Try those settings and see whether it makes a difference.

By the way, Serenity is a great film - I assume you have the Blu-ray box set of the firefly TV series, which Serenity is the conclusion to, as well - having seen it makes parts of Serenity more poignant!
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Thank Philnick i will try as you suggested.

HDMI Audio is set to OFF but will turn Bitstream OFF as well for Coaxial even though i am not using them. Will also set HDMI 1 to Video only.
I thought Firefly was the conclusion to Serenity. LOL silly me.
I just had to pop in a disc after a quick audio calibration.

Don't believe i own any SACD but i think i will start looking for them. The Oppo is that awesome!

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I think its the value oppo fans put on the players that keeps the resale price so high.

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I think its the value oppo fans put on the players that keeps the resale price so high.

I think you're absolutely right.

Most of those fans are owners and have experience with the quality of the Oppos.

It's the same reason I prefer to get a car that is well reviewed by owners and has a long history of performing well. It is an important purchase and I plan on keeping it for a while, so I try to get as much information as possible as to the quality, performance of the unit and the commitment to excellence of their service.

To get that many fans when it is sold at double the price of the nearest lower priced competitor is quite an achievement, as is to be the core of much more expensive units offered by high end manufacturers.

I have a four, almost five year old BDP-83. It has had a great run with me, no problems with disk play, addition of many features that were not originally paid for, no mechanical or network issues of any kind and only the rarest of disk issues (Monsters U just bit me, as it did practically every other player manufacturer).

The perceived value for the Oppos is high. Usually higher for used Oppos than for the brand new lower priced competitors. To me, it's the only way to price a new or used item, by the value that you believe you're receiving from it.

If I placed my BDP-83 on the market (which I'm not doing, it's running like a dream), it will get me at least half of its original price. I won't feel like I've cheated anyone by selling it so, since I believe in its inherent value.

So you are right. The people who value their Oppos and those who believe their testimonials, or those who review them are the ones supporting that perceived value.

Should it be different?
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I just didn't understand paying close to the price of a new one and this is perceived as a good deal.

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