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For something with Native, use Native. For something without (Dish Network), Id recommend 1080i.

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Hello all have the 103D and wonder if it will play back pal discs in a region 1 player. It looks like it might but want to check before I go and buy any.Thx

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Thinking about buying a 103D and read on another thread that its possible to connect a cable box to the player? I'm curious to know how big of a difference it makes and if there's any lip sync issues? My configuration would be Cable box > Oppo 103D > Marantz HDMI receiver > Panny 60VT60 via ARC 2.

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Hello all have the 103D and wonder if it will play back pal discs in a region 1 player. It looks like it might but want to check before I go and buy any.Thx
Yes, as long as they are coded for the correct region for player or set as all region, they'll play fine. The player can either keep them in PAL format or convert them to NTSC depending on what your TV supports and how you have the video output settings configured on the Oppo.
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Thinking about buying a 103D and read on another thread that its possible to connect a cable box to the player? I'm curious to know how big of a difference it makes and if there's any lip sync issues? My configuration would be Cable box > Oppo 103D > Marantz HDMI receiver > Panny 60VT60 via ARC 2.

Set up that way, cable box is into the rear HDMI of the 103D - cable/103D/AVR/65ZT60 - no problems once you get the settings right in the 103D - all the processing of the signal is done in the 103D - box is native/direct - AVR through/direct to Panny 65ZT60

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Set up that way, cable box is into the rear HDMI of the 103D - cable/103D/AVR/65ZT60 - no problems once you get the settings right in the 103D - all the processing of the signal is done in the 103D - box is native/direct - AVR through/direct to Panny 65ZT60

Thanks...yes I currently have the cable box set on pass thru so that the panny does the signal processing and would keep the current configuration so that the 103D does the processing.

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Fox/ESPN and several other stations transmit in 720P, most transmit in 1080i. It is usually recommended the the output from the cable box to the 103D should be set to native/direct or whatever sends the signal through unprocessed. The 103D should be set to output whatever the display capability of the HDTV/projector is which usually is 1080p.

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The Bell 9242 (a rebadged Dish receiver) can be set for an fixed HD output of either 720p or 1080i, which applies to all channels regardless of the source signal. As it's impractical to change this on the fly, I chose the 1080i setting and let the 103D deinterlace the signal. To me, this results in the best image.

Tx I will leave it at 1080i then

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If you set the Oppo to 4K upscale, does the darbee still function? I was told the darbee does not process 4K signals, so wouldn't that be a waste of money if you have a 4K tv and upscale everything to 4K from the Oppo?
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I have my Directv STB hooked up to my Oppo 103D. If I use the native setting and jump back and forth between a 720P and 1080i program it takes a couple seconds to sync. This is an issue when watching 2 sporting events at the same time. If I have the STB output 1080i there is no lag. Anyway to use native and eliminate the lag?
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Nope, its the handshake and resolution change.

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If you set the Oppo to 4K upscale, does the darbee still function? I was told the darbee does not process 4K signals, so wouldn't that be a waste of money if you have a 4K tv and upscale everything to 4K from the Oppo?

The Darbee is applied before 4K upscaling. Also IF you use a Sony TV or projector, the Sony's internal scaler is leaps and bounds better than Oppo.

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The Darbee is applied before 4K upscaling. Also IF you use a Sony TV or projector, the Sony's internal scaler is leaps and bounds better than Oppo.

I have a JVC, but it's funny they were saying in the Sony 4k thread that he Oppo was better at upcaling then the Sony built in one biggrin.gif
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I have my Directv STB hooked up to my Oppo 103D. If I use the native setting and jump back and forth between a 720P and 1080i program it takes a couple seconds to sync. This is an issue when watching 2 sporting events at the same time. If I have the STB output 1080i there is no lag. Anyway to use native and eliminate the lag?

The same thing happens since my cable box is set to pass thru the signal so that it's processed by the Panasonic display. There's a lag when switching channels.

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I have a JVC, but it's funny they were saying in the Sony 4k thread that he Oppo was better at upcaling then the Sony built in one biggrin.gif

Too funny. They must have used "auto" setting instead of custom settings. I have daily access to multiple Sony displays and use the projector too, the upscaling on the Sony is closer to real 4K (A/B comparison with actual 4K movies of the same title and scenes) than the Oppo.

The Oppo can look "nicer" (sharper, more contrasty etc) but in terms of re-creating 4K, the Sony displays have the best upscaler.

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I was told that the 103D processes audio, is this true?

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I was told that the 103D processes audio, is this true?

"Processes"? In what way?

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I was told that the 103D processes audio, is this true?

Using the audio analogue preamp outputs, you can adjust levels and speaker types / audio delay etc.
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Too funny. They must have used "auto" setting instead of custom settings. I have daily access to multiple Sony displays and use the projector too, the upscaling on the Sony is closer to real 4K (A/B comparison with actual 4K movies of the same title and scenes) than the Oppo.

The Oppo can look "nicer" (sharper, more contrasty etc) but in terms of re-creating 4K, the Sony displays have the best upscaler.

Do you have experience with the JVC eshift 3? I'm trying to get an idea if the Oppo 4K upscale does a better job then the JVC upscale to 4K,
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Unfortunately I'm still waiting for my X700 projector to arrive from JVC for long-term loaner (so I can do a very thorough feedback for their next year's model).

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Set up that way, cable box is into the rear HDMI of the 103D - cable/103D/AVR/65ZT60 - no problems once you get the settings right in the 103D - all the processing of the signal is done in the 103D - box is native/direct - AVR through/direct to Panny 65ZT60
wouldn't direct AVR through refer to the audio not the video. would you loose mcacc or audyssey processing that way ? would you loose surround modes on the AVR ?
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wouldn't direct AVR through refer to the audio not the video. would you loose mcacc or audyssey processing that way ? would you loose surround modes on the AVR ?
No - would have no effect on the audio portion of the signal - with many AVR's you can bring up the onscreen menu and set the "video" for direct or pass-through - Audio portion would have surround modes & audyseey intact

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Unfortunately I'm still waiting for my X700 projector to arrive from JVC for long-term loaner (so I can do a very thorough feedback for their next year's model).

I thought you got a X700 back in December?

From you in December:

"My apology for not catching your question I have the JVC X700 for review purpose the 4K upscaling inside the X700 is better than the 103D 4K upscaling.

My favourite setting is to set the 103D in hi-def mode at 35%, VRS at +1, output at 1080p 4:4:4 30-bit dithered into the X700 and let the projector do the upscaling under AUTO mode (under auto it uses 3 separate filters at 3 separate variable rate whereas if you use manual mode, the 3 filters will be running in tandem at the same rate on all three of them)

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Kris, at that time the review unit was using the beta firmware (I didn't know at the time), just before CES they took it away from me to install the final firmware. Therefore my review at the time is considered moot.

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Kris, at that time the review was using the beta firmware (I didn't know at the time), just before CES they took it away from me to install the final firmware. Therefore my review at the time is considered moot.

I don't think they would mess up the eshift 3 from prototype to final firmware. Usually, things only get better not worse......

I'm gonna wait then and see what you and the other experts on here think between the Oppo upscale vs. JVC eshift upscale.
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So true, but I just don't want to assume.
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I have an appointment to have my Panny 60VT60 calibrated on March 1 and thinking of buying a 103D but not sure if it will happen before or after the calibration. I currently have a PS3 for blu-ray but I'm more concerned how much of an impact the Darbee processor will have on calibration on the cable output since I'll have my SA 8300HD running thru it?

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I have an appointment to have my Panny 60VT60 calibrated on March 1 and thinking of buying a 103D but not sure if it will happen before or after the calibration. I currently have a PS3 for blu-ray but I'm more concerned how much of an impact the Darbee processor will have on calibration on the cable output since I'll have my SA 8300HD running thru it?

People say Darbee does not affect calibration, but I would ask the calibrator. Give him all the specifics and see what he says. Does he need all the final gear in place or not?

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IMO it does not. If you have the 103D by then, just have them run their signal generator thru the Oppo, thats what I do smile.gif

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People say Darbee does not affect calibration, but I would ask the calibrator. Give him all the specifics and see what he says. Does he need all the final gear in place or not?

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It's easy to disable Darbee. I always calibrate with it off, especially when working on sharpness.

I came from a PS3, and all I can say is, wow, I wouldn't have thought the 103D output to be superior but it totally is, with Darbee on or off, the clarity is fantastic. I never knew what I was missing.
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