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Why?

Isn't there still multi-channel through HDMI?

From that post that was just referenced, Dolby True HD and legacy Dolby Digital is only output as 2.0 pcm.

So for instance the audio enhancer would be perfect for the lower quality audio from the streaming services. But they use DD+ and DD. And according to that post, all Dolby Digital content is only output as 2.0 pcm. Of course if you bitstream there are no issues, but then your receiver is doing the decoding.

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You could have just answered the question, lol... tongue.gif

Since I don't own any of these x200 players, I'd like point to the posts from the actual owners smile.gif
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Why?

Isn't there still multi-channel through HDMI?

No, for any Dolby audio, you will only get 2.0 PCM through HDMI if you don't bitstream.
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I suspect that Sony's thinking was that since all current-generation audio/video receivers can decode the multichannel lossless audio formats, there's no need for Sony to spend money to duplicate that feature in their players. Also, menu sounds and secondary audio tracks seldom use multichannel surround-sound.

Of course, those arguments neglect the difficulty of changing those settings back and forth, plus the fact that many people have older receivers which either can't decode the lossless audio tracks and simultaneously apply room correction or can't decode the lossless audio tracks at all.

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I suspect that Sony's thinking was that since all current-generation audio/video receivers can decode the multichannel lossless audio formats, there's no need for Sony to spend money to duplicate that feature in their players. Also, menu sounds and secondary audio tracks seldom use multichannel surround-sound.

Of course, those arguments neglect the difficulty of changing those settings back and forth, plus the fact that many people have older receivers which either can't decode the lossless audio tracks and simultaneously apply room correction or can't decode the lossless audio tracks at all.

I think it's all about cost. To get the price of the player as low as possible. Plus a DD license is supposed to be alot more expensive than a DTS license. So for a feature like the audio enhancer, it becomes useless for many things since alot of content where you would want to use it has some flavor of Dolby Digital for the audio.

I know when I tested the audio enhancer it made a noticeable difference. So if my player could decode all the formats properly, i would just let the S6200 deocde everthing and send multi-channel pcm to my receiver. And then I would turn on the audio enhnacer when watching content from the streaming services.

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In my previous inquiry about Multi-Channel decoding to PCM, I was directed to the post about decoding behavior when the Audio Enhancement setting is turned on. To be clear, I don't care to have any audio enhancement and would likely leave that turned off. However, I would like my players to decode lossless to multi-channel PCM due to some codec compatibility issues I have experienced with my Denon AVR-1610 (specifically issues handling the metadata attached to DTS HD-MA bitstream from the Star Wars movies, but would like to simply leave the player decoding to avoid any type of problems like this with my receivers that don't have user updatable firmware).

If I understand correctly, all of the new Sony players, including the 6200 will not decode Dolby Digital or TrueHD codecs to Multi-Channel PCM; instead they downmix to 2.0 whenever the player is not bistreaming, even if the enhancer is turned off. Is that correct?

I can understand that they would want to cut corners by not licensing the decoders for the bargain models, but it's crazy that they wouldn't provide this type of basic decoding on their current flagship model.
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Since I don't own any of these x200 players, I'd like point to the posts from the actual owners smile.gif
No, for any Dolby audio, you will only get 2.0 PCM through HDMI if you don't bitstream.

 

 LOL, this is all Greek to me...

 

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I can understand that they would want to cut corners by not licensing the decoders for the bargain models, but it's crazy that they wouldn't provide this type of basic decoding on their current flagship model.

What flagship model? Sony has not released any flagship models in two years. All 2013 and current 2014(US models) are bargain bin models. They all lack Dolby decoding. If your receiver can't handle bitstream, don't buy any Sony players.
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Flagship would be the lead model, which in this years case is, the 6200.

Last 2 years has been the 790.
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Just updated my S6200 firmware to M21.R.0112. Anyone else update yet can't find any info on the update on Sony's website.
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Just updated my S6200 firmware to M21.R.0112. Anyone else update yet can't find any info on the update on Sony's website.
I just updated my S6200 too.

Amazon streaming is working now!! New interface compared to the S5100. It's more modern. Although the Amazon UI seems a little sluggish. But at least the titles start streaming much quicker than they did on my S5100s.

EDIT: And I'm getting DD+ from Amazon.

EDIT: VUDU is working too!!

EDIT: The working Amazon and Vudu apps is all that I've noticed so far.
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New Amazon app is nice! Can keep track of the episodes watched.
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I actually think the new Amazon app is pretty terrible. While the UI is a step up, navigation is sluggish and there are too many submenus just to get to playing content. The app on my 2011 Roku is far superior.

As for performance, is anyone else noticing that the picture quality pretty lousy, like you're connecting at a slow speed? I checked the Amazon app on my Roku to see if my ISP was throttling me and they're not -- picture quality looks great on the Roku. So clearly something is up with the app.

So frustrating given how good the Netflix app is.
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Friends, Experts,

Any clue if there is any ES series from Sony Blue-ray players other than the one was released in 2009: BDP-S5000ES?

Also can anyone advise me where to but BDP-S6200 cheaper than $179.99?
Thanks for your help.

I posted last week that Sony were selling the 6200 for $99. They only had a limited quality ,,, aprox 100

All gone now.
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old version is M21.R.0071 to M221.R.0112. looks like a lot of ground Sony covered betwixt the updates.. biggrin.gif

thanks for the heads up. the unit didnt alert me to the update.. wink.gif
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I actually think the new Amazon app is pretty terrible. While the UI is a step up, navigation is sluggish and there are too many submenus just to get to playing content. The app on my 2011 Roku is far superior.

As for performance, is anyone else noticing that the picture quality pretty lousy, like you're connecting at a slow speed? I checked the Amazon app on my Roku to see if my ISP was throttling me and they're not -- picture quality looks great on the Roku. So clearly something is up with the app.

To be honest, when I had a PS3 and 5100, I always used the Amazon app on the Roku 3 first. PQ was obviously better for whatever reason.

Does Sony have the WatchESPN app support?

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Nevermind, I remembered that WatchESPN hasnt made it into many devices yet.

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The PQ is not the best,they do need to work on that. You would think since they want you to rate the video quality all the time they would be working to make it better.
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Flagship would be the lead model, which in this years case is, the 6200.

Last 2 years has been the 790.

Sorry, but you're mistaken: this year's flagship model is the S7200, which is not being sold in the U.S. for unknown reasons. Maybe one of our U.K. subscribers will be getting one and can tell us if it includes full decoding of multichannel Dolby or DTS soundtracks.

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I'd disagree. Im a US citizen, therefore the 6200 is the flagship for me, since I have no access to a 7200. If I was on AVForums, then sure, the 7200 is the flagship.

The 7200 might be a flagship for the UK, but it doesnt do me a whole helluva lot of good here now does it? smile.gif

If we need to get specific, then one should note the 6200 is the flagship for the US, and the 7200 is the flagship for wherever it is sold. If a US AV reviewer wants the Sony flagship, they are going to get a 6200 most likely.

But at this point, it doesnt really matter. The whole basis of the comment was that it was stated that due to not having certain features an item was not a flagship, which is not correct. A manufacturers top model offered is their "flagship".

The fact they offer one top model in one area and another higher tier model in another just made things convoluted smile.gif
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If you want to quibble, the S790 is still being sold in the U.S. at the same price as the S6200, although I dunno if they're still in production. Amazon has them in stock. At this point, I'd certainly recommend an S790 over the S6200 if the decoding is important.

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Folks really? Why does it matter? Lol

Make love not war...
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Didn't someone mention that the S7200 was not going to have a dual core CPU? Did anyone ever find out if that was true or not? If it actually has a single core CPU then that would be a big difference when compared to the S6200 which does have a dual core CPU

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Folks really? Why does it matter? Lol

Make love not war...

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Didn't someone mention that the S7200 was not going to have a dual core CPU? Did anyone ever find out if that was true or not? If it actually has a single core CPU then that would be a big difference when compared to the S6200 which does have a dual core CPU

The spec says dual core.

Us folks can always buy one from amazon.co.uk. None of the region locked network features will work though such as bbc iplayer.
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Thats a good alternative. Looks like the 7200, according to a French site, is an updated 790. I do like the flat look and more premium design. I imagine the biggest difference is SACD support.

€ 299 aint so hot.

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Today My 6200 just started to automatically play anyinserted Blu Ray or CD disc or a DLNA movie the instant the menu alights on it. In addition, these movies or music cannot be stopped without them instantly being restarted again.

Anyone else seeing this behavior? Any idea if there is a user fix (menu setting, etc) or am I gonna have to ship it back to Sony?

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OK...

 

Please excuse my ignorance...

 

But why would Sony put out the 7200 in only the UK...?

 

And not the US?

 

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You would have to ask Sony. I'm sure many people are wondering the same thing.

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Here is some previous speed data I have been collecting:

Movie--BDP93--BDT500--BDP103--S5100--S6200

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Transformers--64--66--56--59--56
Iron Man--53--55--45--47--48
Star Trek--N/A--81--58--62--60

From tray pulling in until you can select "play" in the menu.


S6200 is comparable and shows no issues with speed. Real snappy in the spears and munsil menu and passed all the video tests outputting ycbcr 444 to my plasma.

Netflix, Amazon and Youtube were easy to setup. Amazon is slow and quite annoying, Netflix gives me superhd and works well, so does youtube. None of them beat the PQ on my Roku 3 and roku stick, at least IMO, so the Sony will be backup for streaming (not really why I got it anyways).

I have streaming NR turned off as well as super bit mapping. I set everything to offer no zooming, bitstream audio and any kind of video enhancements off.

In the options menu during movie playback, I assume "Auto" and not "Direct" is the proper setting for playing back a blu-ray without any enhancements? I also forced 1080p and 24p in the menu, as I usually do.

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OK...

 

Please excuse my ignorance...

 

But why would Sony put out the 7200 in only the UK...?

 

And not the US?

 

:confused:

 

 

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You would have to ask Sony. I'm sure many people are wondering the same thing.

 

But, I mean that makes absolutely NO sense...

 

And if it is only available in the UK - why was there a French article touting it and its release date, etc...?

 

And why only one country - that is really odd...

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