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According to the S7200 specs in the Sony UK website, it has high resolution audio which the S6200 does not have. So the players ARE different.
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I thought Super Bit Mapping and the Sound Enhancer are nixed from the final product (of 6200). If they are both available in the 6200 then it's only cosmetics difference between the 7200 and 6200.

S6200 has option for "Digital Music Enhancer", but all I saw was an "SBM" option which is described as a "smoothing video graduation" over HDMI output (as if it has other types of output).


It's also a price difference.
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Thanks for the info . So SBM is in the 6200 but not DSEE (per Sony's "language", DME is different from DSEE)

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According to the S7200 specs in the Sony UK website, it has high resolution audio which the S6200 does not have. So the players ARE different.
They both handle the same high-resolution audio formats...so what, exactly, is different?
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DME enhances compressed music using re-equalization. DSEE uses "special algorithm" to upconvert anything including WAV to DSD.

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They both handle the same high-resolution audio formats...so what, exactly, is different?
Check out the sepcs here for the S7200: http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/bl...specifications

Specs for the S6200: http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/bl...yers/bdp-s6200


The players are definatley NOT the same. The S7200 has better audio specs. They may have the same guts for PQ but not not the same audio.
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DME enhances compressed music using re-equalization. DSEE uses "special algorithm" to upconvert anything including WAV to DSD.
From the Sony UK site:

Hear the best sound with Digital Music Enhancer

Digital Music Enhancer combines three unique Sony audio technologies to give compressed content a richer sound. DSEE (Digital Sound Enhancement Engine) restores the subtle high frequency details that get lost in heavily-compressed digital files such as MP3s. Dynamic Recovery Range restores the contrast between soft and loud sounds – adding impact to dialogue, movies, and music. And Advanced Auto Volume automatically corrects the volume when changing between content formats.




It seems then that the 7200 has both DME and DSEE...likely to both be turned off by serious users (as many want the signal unmolested). I know I turned off DME on my 6200 as it affected the Netflix app.

That appears to be the first specific thing that is different between the two units.
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Check out the sepcs here for the S7200: http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/bl...specifications

Specs for the S6200: http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/bl...yers/bdp-s6200


The players are definatley NOT the same. The S7200 has better audio specs. They may have the same guts for PQ but not not the same audio.
I have seen both those sites. As a matter of fact, I (earlier in the thread) posted a link to a Sony Asia page that listed a much more detailed list of specs...and, again, I see no difference in the audio formats handled by both units.

I want there to be a difference, so if you can point out something specific...I would love to hear it.
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This all kind of reminds me when the US automotive manufacturers had their many different brands selling effectively the same car. For a company that's desperate to try and sell more to avoid posting more losses, perhaps Sony should simply offer just two players. Uber cheap and cheap. Price the 6200 at $79 MSRP and be done with it.
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I have seen both those sites. As a matter of fact, I (earlier in the thread) posted a link to a Sony Asia page that listed a much more detailed list of specs...and, again, I see no difference in the audio formats handled by both units.

I want there to be a difference, so if you can point out something specific...I would love to hear it.
Does the S6200 has this:

High-Resolution Audio – music as the artist intended

High-Resolution Audio works by converting analogue sound to digital at a higher and more precise rate than CDs. High-Resolution Audio can have a greater rate of 24bit/96kHz (compared to CD standard rate of 16bit/44.1kHz), capturing more of the details and subtleties in your music. The result is tracks exactly as they were recorded, with no compromise on sound.

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Hear the best sound with Digital Music Enhancer

Digital Music Enhancer combines three unique Sony audio technologies to give compressed content a richer sound. DSEE (Digital Sound Enhancement Engine) restores the subtle high frequency details that get lost in heavily-compressed digital files such as MP3s. Dynamic Recovery Range restores the contrast between soft and loud sounds – adding impact to dialogue, movies, and music. And Advanced Auto Volume automatically corrects the volume when changing between content formats.

If it does, then they are the same.
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^^^A few posts up, I mentioned that it does appear the 7200 offers both DME (available in the 6200) and DSEE (not available in the 6200)...so that is a difference. However I would be that many users will turn those features off, as audiophiles will likely want the audio signal untouched.

As far as the high-resolution audio description you give...it doesn't say anything specific. When I compared the audio formats that both units will play, there appears to be no difference...and that includes the high-resolution formats. I used the 6200's manual and this site to compare: http://www.sony-asia.com/product/bdp-s7200

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Regarding S6200 and S7200, my only concern was whether S7200 was capable of decoding Dolby TrueHD (5.1) vs (2.0). But that's not the case. Regarding PQ, I just got the Darbee darblet 5000 and it does some amazing job with the depth of PQ. Initially I was skeptical about getting the Darbee but experiencing the enhance PQ first hand is quite mesmerizing .
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About 2 weeks ago I talked with my Sony insider and she said the 7200 will not be offered in the U.S and the 6200 is it equivalent which means its pretty much the same model. This is one reason why I went with the 6200. So if people are waiting for Sony to bring the 7200 to the U.S your going to be waiting for a long time. One other thing I want to bring up is I am getting tired of people comparing the 6200 to the Oppo Blu ray players. Oppo is in a league of their own when it comes to Blu ray players and anyone who's smart enough knows that. They also charge a high price for their players which a guy like me who has a family and has priorities cant afford what they are asking for it. To me Sony is the next best thing and I feel the PQ of the 6200 comes very very close to the Oppo's. But to make comparisons just aint fair.
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About 2 weeks ago I talked with my Sony insider and she said the 7200 will not be offered in the U.S and the 6200 is it equivalent which means its pretty much the same model. This is one reason why I went with the 6200. So if people are waiting for Sony to bring the 7200 to the U.S your going to be waiting for a long time. One other thing I want to bring up is I am getting tired of people comparing the 6200 to the Oppo Blu ray players. Oppo is in a league of their own when it comes to Blu ray players and anyone who's smart enough knows that. They also charge a high price for their players which a guy like me who has a family and has priorities cant afford what they are asking for it. To me Sony is the next best thing and I feel the PQ of the 6200 comes very very close to the Oppo's. But to make comparisons just aint fair.
I have never owned an Oppo so I can't personally comment on the PQ. However, most people, including professional reviewers, say that the as long as your BD player is outputting at 1080p 24p , there would not be any differences in PQ.
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I have never owned an Oppo so I can't personally comment on the PQ. However, most people, including professional reviewers, say that the as long as your BD player is outputting at 1080p 24p , there would not be any differences in PQ.

Some of them have problems with cropping and colorspace, as seen with a test disc, but the recent sony's, pre 2013 Panny's, and Oppos pass with flying colors.

If you are just watching a blu-ray at 1080p/24, there is no need to huy an Oppo unless you want one.

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The Sony Asia site makes it seem like the 7200 will play 4k discs...not just upscale. Anyone else read it the same way? Are there any 4k movies to play?

"The Sony BDP-S7200 Blu-ray Disc™ Player
doesn't just play 4K resolution content, it also
upscales lower resolution content to near 4K
resolution."

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Some of them have problems with cropping and colorspace, as seen with a test disc, but the recent sony's, pre 2013 Panny's, and Oppos pass with flying colors.

If you are just watching a blu-ray at 1080p/24, there is no need to huy an Oppo unless you want one.

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The Sony Asia site makes it seem like the 7200 will play 4k discs...not just upscale. Anyone else read it the same way? Are there any 4k movies to play?

"The Sony BDP-S7200 Blu-ray Disc™ Player
doesn't just play 4K resolution content, it also
upscales lower resolution content to near 4K
resolution."

Since it aint going to be released in the U.S and I don't plan on buying a 4K tv anytime soon or in the future I could care less. Plus there is no true 4K Blu ray disc's yet and it don't look as though there will be any anytime soon.
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The Sony Asia site makes it seem like the 7200 will play 4k discs...not just upscale. Anyone else read it the same way? Are there any 4k movies to play?

"The Sony BDP-S7200 Blu-ray Disc™ Player
doesn't just play 4K resolution content, it also
upscales lower resolution content to near 4K
resolution."
There is not a 4K disc standard. However, it might play 4K files from data discs, USB and/or network. Interestingly, the 6200 lists a resolution limit of 1920x1080 in the 'Playable types of files' section of the manual, but the 7200 manual omits that line.
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The S7200 needs to be able to decode H.265 if it's going to be playing 4K content. Isn't that what most 4K content will be encoded with?

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I'd be happy if the 6200 was a reliable player. First I had a skipping disc and crash incident where the player wouldn't even register a disc was inside without unplugging and restarting the unit. The disc was spotless as I'm OCD. Then netflix freezes, requiring an unplugging. Honestly, what I hate most is having to root around and find the cable to unplug. No holding down the power button like the 5100 or a cord that unplugs at the back of the unit like the 5200, either of which would make things tolerable.
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I'd be happy if the 6200 was a reliable player. First I had a skipping disc and crash incident where the player wouldn't even register a disc was inside without unplugging and restarting the unit. The disc was spotless as I'm OCD. Then netflix freezes, requiring an unplugging. Honestly, what I hate most is having to root around and find the cable to unplug. No holding down the power button like the 5100 or a cord that unplugs at the back of the unit like the 5200, either of which would make things tolerable.

I would exchange it. I have two S6200s and neither of them behave that way. Mine have been very reliable.
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I would exchange it. I have two S6200s and neither of them behave that way. Mine have been very reliable.
I've exchanged so many players over the last few years it's ridiculous. I'm positive the next one would flake too. My first Panny I bought years ago was rock solid. My Sony 570 was pretty reliable too. The 590, 790, 5100 and 6200 have all been much less reliable in my experience.
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I've exchanged so many players over the last few years it's ridiculous. I'm positive the next one would flake too. My first Panny I bought years ago was rock solid. My Sony 570 was pretty reliable too. The 590, 790, 5100 and 6200 have all been much less reliable in my experience.
That would be frustrating. I had a 350 from its release until this year and it never had a hiccup. My 6200 has had zero issues so far also...fingers crossed.
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That would be frustrating. I had a 350 from its release until this year and it never had a hiccup. My 6200 has had zero issues so far also...fingers crossed.
Like I said. If you could reach behind the player to unplug it, it wouldn't be a big deal. A simple change from the way Sony has been building these things.
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I thought the power plug was permanently attached to these players? If I need to unlpug it I only need to get to the power strip it's attached to. ButI have not had nay issues that has required this.

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Why can't you just hold the power button down do several seconds? Accomplishes the same thing.
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Not always. My player froze up yesterday. Holding the power button did not work. Needed to cut power to the unit to get it to restart.
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I've had my 6200 for a month now and its been perfect. Same goes for my previous players (490, 4200)

I've got quick start on and haven't noticed any issue's with that either.
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Since it aint going to be released in the U.S and I don't plan on buying a 4K tv anytime soon or in the future I could care less. Plus there is no true 4K Blu ray disc's yet and it don't look as though there will be any anytime soon.
Because I care about my fellow AVSers...

I think you meant that you could NOT care less.

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