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First page suggests all models in this thread can bitstream the standard audio formats. My understanding is that all models can decode to stereo as well. It sounds like only the 6200 and 7200 can decode DTS-MA and output Multi channel PCM. Note however that the same is not true for Dolby surround formats as I recall.
The DTS decoding to multi channel PCM sounds quite nice, but what does the last sentence mean? That the same is not true for a standard Dolby Digital 5.1 track? No multi channel decoding? Only stereo?
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The DTS decoding to multi channel PCM sounds quite nice, but what does the last sentence mean? That the same is not true for a standard Dolby Digital 5.1 track? No multi channel decoding? Only stereo?

Correct. You'll need a receiver to decode with these players.
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Hi, i want to buy a s5200 here in canada but, the dlna option is very important to me, i want to access to media files in a networked storage, my question is, is the s5200 can pause/fast forward etc... with .mkv/.avi via dlna?

thank you guys.
It can, but not well. It often doesn't work. You should get a different device for that.
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It can, but not well. It often doesn't work. You should get a different device for that.
Quite honestly many devices struggle with pause of files from a dlna server for any length of time.

FF/REW works fine for m2ts. MKVs can be problematic however there are fixes. Read through the s790 thread,
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The DTS decoding to multi channel PCM sounds quite nice, but what does the last sentence mean? That the same is not true for a standard Dolby Digital 5.1 track? No multi channel decoding? Only stereo?

Correct. You'll need a receiver to decode with these players.
So I might as well bitstream all formats from a 5200 and get the same result?
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So I might as well bitstream all formats from a 5200 and get the same result?
You have no choice in the matter. It's all bitstream or all PCM. In any case, the result is not the same. With bitstream you'll get full 7.1 on all HD codecs. With PCM, most will be mixed down to 2 channel. Is your AVR not capable of decoding HD formats?
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So I might as well bitstream all formats from a 5200 and get the same result?
You have no choice in the matter. It's all bitstream or all PCM. In any case, the result is not the same. With bitstream you'll get full 7.1 on all HD codecs. With PCM, most will be mixed down to 2 channel. Is your AVR not capable of decoding HD formats?
I have a soundbar, but I think it should work. I'm getting a better AVR next year anyway. I think the 5200 will do, but if I can raise some extra cash I may go for the 6200...
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***Update*** Well got the firmware update from Sony today and installed it via a thumb drive and presto....issue solved! The streaming capability of my 6200 is up and running and its connected via built in wifi which means its now connected to my wifi network with no issues. Thank god is all I can say.
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A review has appeared in the Xmas 2014 edition of the UK's 'Home Cinema Choice' magazine...review starts off with headline "Step-down sibling" then states the following...

-"front and rear USB ports able to play downsampled hi-res FLAC and ALAC, but if you want proper hi-res audio playback you need the top end 7200 model. That deck also spins SACDs, and has a more grown up design."
-"the 6200 streams everything except MKV and FLAC"
-"the 6200 definitely deserves a place on the shopping list of budget BD buyers. But the missing web aps and plasticky build quality count against it"

Overall the article had a very "meh" feeling to it...Price quoted is 170 UK pounds...hardly a "Budget BD" player and it gets 4 out of 5 stars.

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A review has appeared in the Xmas 2014 edition of the UK's 'Home Cinema Choice' magazine...review starts off with headline "Step-down sibling" then states the following...

-"front and rear USB ports able to play downsampled hi-res FLAC and ALAC, but if you want proper hi-res audio playback you need the top end 7200 model. That deck also spins SACDs, and has a more grown up design."
-"the 6200 streams everything except MKV and FLAC"
-"the 6200 definitely deserves a place on the shopping list of budget BD buyers. But the missing web aps and plasticky build quality count against it"

Overall the article had a very "meh" feeling to it...Price quoted is 170 UK pounds...hardly a "Budget BD" player and it gets 4 out of 5 stars.

Since my S6200 does "spin SACDs" and have "web apps", I wonder if the US version is different than the UK version. Or....
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A review has appeared in the Xmas 2014 edition of the UK's 'Home Cinema Choice' magazine...review starts off with headline "Step-down sibling" then states the following...

-"front and rear USB ports able to play downsampled hi-res FLAC and ALAC, but if you want proper hi-res audio playback you need the top end 7200 model. That deck also spins SACDs, and has a more grown up design."
-"the 6200 streams everything except MKV and FLAC"
-"the 6200 definitely deserves a place on the shopping list of budget BD buyers. But the missing web aps and plasticky build quality count against it"

Overall the article had a very "meh" feeling to it...Price quoted is 170 UK pounds...hardly a "Budget BD" player and it gets 4 out of 5 stars.


How the hell can that magazine call it a Step Down sibling to the 7200 when its practically the same player? A budget blu ray player? I think the price and features say otherwise. The magazine obviously has a bias favoring the 7200.
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Since my S6200 does "spin SACDs" and have "web apps", I wonder if the US version is different than the UK version. Or....
My understanding is that the US and UK versions of the 7200 are the same, but the U.S. and UK versions of the 6200 are different. Multiple sources seem to suggest that the US version of the 6200 is identical to the US/UK versions of the 7200, minus the case. But, the UK version of the 6200 supposedly lacks support for SACD, and streaming of FLAC files.
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My understanding is that the US and UK versions of the 7200 are the same, but the U.S. and UK versions of the 6200 are different. Multiple sources seem to suggest that the US version of the 6200 is identical to the US/UK versions of the 7200, minus the case. But, the UK version of the 6200 supposedly lacks support for SACD, and streaming of FLAC files.
I checked the UK and Ireland Sony websites and the picture of the player on both sites has the SACD logo on the top of the unit.
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How the hell can that magazine call it a Step Down sibling to the 7200 when its practically the same player? A budget blu ray player? I think the price and features say otherwise. The magazine obviously has a bias favoring the 7200.
I think they just don't dig the design or plastic finish of the unit. Personally I like it. Plastic does not necessarily mean cheaper imo. I think the player looks quite striking. And I couldn't be happier with the players performance so far after 1 week of heavy use.
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People have to realize the web reviewers are like bloggers, in where they actually think they have some validity and do good testing when they do not. Even if they are related to a magazine.
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People have to realize the web reviewers are like bloggers, in where they actually think they have some validity and do good testing when they do not. Even if they are related to a magazine.
Absolutely, thank goodness for these forums. I used to subscribe to many magazines in the early days of DVD and reviews then seemed a lot more professional and honest. Nowadays I think a lot of reviewer's are either not qualified for the job or are receiving bribes from manufacturer's.
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Check out this in depth review of the BDP-S790. They use YCbCr 4:4:4 and utilized Direct mode for the image....what are you guys using on the BDP-S6200....

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/blu-r...-3-in-use.html

and a review of the BDP-S5100...

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/blu-r...ay-player.html
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I use Direct Mode/Standard on any recent Sony, because they are modes that do not seem to do any mucking with the image.

YCBCR 422/444 vs RGB 444 depends some on the display too.

Spears and munsil helps with this and is a good disc. For my VT50/7200/6200 I run 1080p/24 out, ycbcr 444, superbitmapping OFF and pic mode Direct.
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4:4:4 or 4:2:2 which is best to use. My 5200 has the option for 4:4:4
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On my 7200 I set it to Auto because my display can handle it--Sony 65 inch 4K 850A model...I am not sure the settings on the 5200 tho
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Discs are authored in 4:2:2. Anything else is being artificially rendered. Probably makes no visual difference. I also use Auto.
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Discs are authored in 4:2:2.
True, but some displays show more banding with 422 vs 444. That is why people must test, not make blanket assumptions for multiple electronic chains.

Bob, in the Oppo threads turned me onto the Ratatouille disc as a good test for color banding.
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On my 7200 I set it to Auto because my display can handle it--Sony 65 inch 4K 850A model...I am not sure the settings on the 5200 tho
Auto is almost always going to send ycbcr 444.
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Setting it to Auto (since my display the Sony 4K 65 inch 850A can handle it)
depending on the disc my TV's On screen display shows the resolution (either 1080p...or 1080/24...or 3840 x 2160 for 4K) AND shows the Deep Color Bit Rate either 10 bit or 12 bit or 16 bit is displayed.
Usually it displays 12 bit...but I am wondering with Blu Rays that are Mastered in 4K with (whats called)Expanded Color will it display more than 12 Bit...maybe display 16 Bit.

Anyone know?
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Since BD playback PQ and SQ seem to be comparable between the Panasonics and the Sonys, has anybody compared Vudu streaming PQ (and SQ) between the 2 brands?

I've got a Panasonic 330 I think in one room and while BD playback seems exclellent, streaming 1080p (HDX from Vudu) never looks very good. I realize its not going to be BD,

but curious if anyone has directly compared the 2 players in this respect. Maybe the Rokus are better at this than the disc players? I've got a newer one of those but its on a smaller TV - perhaps I should give it a try as well.

We've probably watched streaming movies considerably more than BD in the last year or so, and I had assumed PQ was probably the same?
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Perhaps the older versions of the apps don't support the higher bit rates for streaming? That is the case with some older hardware running older versions of Netflix apps, perhaps it applies to other service apps as well? As you probably know, BD players and smart TVs won't get the latest app updates. For instance, my 2013 Panasonic BDT230 isn't running the latest Netflix UI that you see on Roku, PS3, 2014 smart TVs, etc. but it works just fine. PQ is excellent. Some older apps may support only 720p or lower bit rates, which could explain the difference in PQ you see. You can play one of the example shorts that displays the bit rate to see if this is indeed the issue. Roku, AppleTV, and other streamers are often better as streaming devices since they typically receive updates over a longer period of time than BD players or smart TVs. A Roku Stick, Fire TV stick, or Chromecast is a cheap means of adding a streamer to your system for less than $50.
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Good points - Thanks. I just checked and the BD player I'm using down there is a BDT-110, so maybe older than I thought, but I still think 2012 or newer.

Resolution is good - mostly just that dark(er) scenes look terrible. Fades etc... are very banded. That type of thing. A bright, somewhat static image can look very good.

I really haven't watched much NetFlix on that (projector) setup - almost always Vudu or DirecTV (which doesn't look very good either, but I don't watch it very much. It's not the Genie DVR, but the one that came before) as I understood that Vudu SHOULD have about the best streaming quality with their HDX files.

I may just move one of my Roku boxes temporarily to test it out.

I'd be happy to get another BD player if it would be an improvement for streaming (doubt it would improve discs, but I'm happy with that though) but don't want to add to the collection if it won't matter.

Thanks
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Discs are authored in 4:2:2.

Actually what comes off the disc is 4:2:0.
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Just read that the US and UK 6200 may differ. Can anyone confirm that? Need to know if one is inferior if I'm gonna get one...
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Just read that the US and UK 6200 may differ. Can anyone confirm that? Need to know if one is inferior if I'm gonna get one...
Here is a thread dedicated to UK model on UK AVForums...

https://www.avforums.com/threads/son...hread.1860739/
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