Originally Posted by Shaker Man
Thanks for that quick and helpful reply!
Originally Posted by Smarty-pants
Originally Posted by Shaker Man
First, thanks for the helpful info here.
We're building a combined HT/2 channel system and leaning toward getting the 105D. Some questions:
1) I enjoy HP listening and have a portable set up w/Audeze LCD-3. I want an in-room HP set up. Already have the HP amp (SPL Phonitor 2). So want to pair that with a DAC/CD etc. If we go with the 105D, what have people's experiences been connecting it to a dedicated HP amp (instead of using the 105D's HP amp)?
The built in HP amp on the player is very good, but not necessarily reference quality. It's fairly simple to run 2CH digital audio output from the Oppo to separate HP amp, but you will be limited in some ways. This wouldn't be a shortcoming of the player itself, but because of industry laws, because things like DSD and lossless audio can not be sent over spdif connections. Only hdmi and analog, and of course when you use the analog you will be using the DAC in the player, and in order to use HDMI, your HP amp would have to have an HDMI input, but I doubt that it does.
You're correct -- the SPL Phonitor 2 does not have HDMI input, but one of the reasons I love it is that it does have balanced input/ouput. When you say that "when you use the analong you will be using the DAC in the player" I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. My intention is to use the DAC in the 105D and bypass the 105D's HP amp so that I can use the SPL which is better. As far as connecting the 105D to my SPL HP amp with the balanced XLR, if I do that is there anyway to also use the balanced /XLR audio outs on the 105D to also feed my 2 channel system without having to unplug/plug each time (e.g. line splitter or will that degrade SQ)?
2) While I prefer a balanced set up, given that I already have the SPL HP amp, the 105D internal amp is not of use/interest so that is not a need nor justification for paying more. Have people found that the balanced outs on the 105D, in addition to the increased connectivity and dedicated DACs, are sufficient to justify its purchase over the 1003D? Absolutely yes! The 105/105D are known for their exception analog sound quality and is the main attribute for most buyers and is what makes the price over the 103/103D worth the money paid.
Thanks -- that's why I need to ensure there's a way to use the 105D balanced output for both my HP amp and the 2 channel system.
3) Have thought about separate DAC, universal player, but hard for me to be persuaded to go this route based on what I've read. Thoughts on this?
Are you aware that Oppo has just released a reference quality HP amp that is also a 2CH pre-amp and a DAC? Based on your comments thus far, it sounds to me like you could possibly replace your current HP amp with the Oppo HA-1 HP amp, and then combine that with an Oppo BDP-103D player for the perfect combo. However, if you are going to use analog audio for your HT surround sound experience, then you would want to use the 105D for it's better analog sound. No I was not aware of this. Looks very intriguing. Just bought the SPL (arrives today), so not really crazy about selling it. Plus it has some cool features that the Oppo does not. That said, I love that the Oppo has a remote. Still, if I were to pair the Oppo HA-1 with the 103, I lose the balanced outputs as you noted.
4) Finally, as part of our system set up, we were originally planning to use one of the Marantz preamps. Any benefit to this (besides room correction) versus using the 105D as our pre? How about SQ effects? I'm sure our dealer/installer will try to push the purchase of the Marantz pre since that was part of our initial plan and he has a financial interest in selling it to us. Thank you.
The 105D can be used as a preamp and you can connect it directly to quality power amps for an awesome setup even without a dedicated separate pre-amp. It all depends on what features you feel you need in a preamp. When using the player as a preamp, it is very limited to a few necessary features like speaker distance and level trims and crossover. It does not have all the fancy things a separate preamp would have. However many people do use it in that way, including me. I have an AVR I could use, but I currently just connect the player directly to power amps since the sound is better than running it through the avr.
I'm really struggling with this decision. I would love to save the money if I don't need/benefit from a separate preamp. My dealer/installer has been talking up the room Audyssey benefits since the beginning as there are some challenges our room will have as far as SQ/set up. This is one of the more difficult questions I'm dealing with.
Thanks again for the advice
Well if you are going to use Audyssey, there is no point in using analog audio, since using Audyssey would require ADC (analog to digital conversion).
Once you do that, the benefit you gain for the Oppo's DAC is lost, and thus defeats the purpose of spending the extra money over the 103/103D models.
However, IF you are still going to use the dedicated 2CH analog output from the player, then the cost may still be justified.
Something you could try is to get the 105D first, run it directly to your amps and see how you like the sound.
Then if you choose to, add a pre-amp in later if you think you need the Audyssey.
Unless your room is very problematic, it can still sound excellent with the player+amps.
A lot can also be done with room treatments to tame problematic room nodes and hot spots and what not.
If you are content with keeping your new HP amp, then the BDP-105D would be your best bet for your 2CH audio listening via analog.
As for your question regarding splitting the balanced output, you may have a couple of options there.
First, you could use a high quality dedicated splitter. I am not sure of any specific models, but I would think that there are some out there.
Second, the balanced and unbalanced output from the 105D should be active simultaneously, and you could run the balanced into one setup,
and the unbalanced to another setup.
Thirdly, you say that your HP amp has balanced outputs?
If so, then why not run a pair of cables from the player to the HP amp, then also run a pair out of the HP amp into a separate amp for your external 2Ch system (?).
^I guess that would also depend on IF your HP amp is capable of that.