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The Pioneer BDP-80FD/170FD/LX58/LX88 2014 Blu-ray Player Thread

This may include telling me to dream on and that it may never happen, feature requests, anticipation, availability, and operation. If these players are released, I will correct the model numbers in the title accordingly.

I would like to begin with my feature requests. All three models should include B/G/N wifi, 4G wifi, Source Direct for HDMI resolution, and support all disc and file types as well as bitstream them, reencode them, and convert them to multi-channel PCM, including DVD-AUDIO, DSD playback via SACD disc and DSD files off a USB device and DLNA network, and DSD-to-PCM conversion at 176.4KHz 32bit.

For their budget model, the BDP-170 should drop all analog A/V, optical, and coaxial digital audio outputs, as well as all Pioneer exclusives, such as PQLS, Stream Smoother, and Sound Retriever. It should have a plastic front panel.

For their mid model, the BDP-82FD/470 should add PQLS, Stream Smoother Link, Sound Retriever Link, coaxial and optical audio output, RS232 remote control interface, a 1/8" IR input jack, a 1/8" IR output jack, a blue power light filling and/or surrounding the power button, a long, blue light right below the tray or front panel display, and have an aluminum front panel.

For their flagship model, while keeping the extra features of the BDP-82FD/470, the BDP-83FD/LX58 should add Marvell Qdeo video processing via two HDMI outputs with 4k/Ultra HD/UHD upscaling (please don't drop 480i via HDMI), Composite, S-video, and Component video with 297MHz 14bit DACs, stereo, and multi-channel analog outputs with a frequency response up to 100KHz for SACD/DSD playback and 192KHz 32bit DSD-capable audio DACs, as well as Sound Retriever and Stream Smoother in the player itself. The analog audio and video boards and respective power supplies should be separated. A soundproof, shock resistant, quiet disc mechanism like in the DV-58AV/800AV/LX50 should be used. It should have an aluminum front panel.

As much as I enjoy wishing for this to happen, in the event that it doesn't, which it probably won't, I am happy with the results using my Yamaha BD-A1010 via multi-channel analog audio and HDMI video, manually switching video resolutions before I load a DVD or Blu-ray disc. I would just like to eliminate the extra cables and have more control over bass management and the option of applying auto volume leveling when people are sleeping, all without sacrificing audio quality when applying such features.

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Right now, I'm using my BDP-23FD with my VSX-32 receiver. I'd love to see Pioneer come out with a BDP-82FD or similar so I can replace it.
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I'm definitely going to get one of these players. I'm not sure if I should just stick with my VSX-32 receiver, or somehow get rid of it and get either the new VSX-1124 or Elite version so I could have the better DAC and PQLS bitstream.
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Not that I'm aware of.

While I appreciate the superior analog components in these players, I hope that Pioneer also considers releasing a version without analog and legacy digital outs of any kind, but with exactly the same HDMI outputs of the other players, with the Pioneer exclusives (StreamSmoother, SoundRetrieve, PQLS, etc.), and DSD-to-PCM at 176.4 KHz. I'm happy with my VSX-32. Once the player converts everything to PCM and then PQLS is enabled, I'm happy with the results. I wouldn't mind paying $300 for the extra HDMI Pioneer exclusives, but I would prefer not to pay $600 or $700 for an analog section I might not even use, unless I go from 7.1 back to 5.1 and connect my older receiver. I guess all we can do is wait and see what cards Pioneer deals us this fall.
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The BDP-170 is official. I wish it had PQLS and DSD-to-PCM at 176.4 KHz. I guess I'll have to wait for the BDP-LX58. The sad thing about that is that I'll have to pay extra for its superior analog section. If I take advantage of that, I'd have to go from 7.1 back to 5.1. Or else, I could replace my VSX-32 with the new VSX-80 so I could have a similar analog section with 7.1, but then I would be paying for the same thing twice, yet only wind up utilizing the analog section on the VSX-80! I guess when it comes right down to it, it would be better to waste $60 or $70 on two surround back speakers and speaker wire and not use them, as opposed to an extra $300 for circuitry and not take advantage of it, even if I have to go back to 5.1 in order to use it.
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Have you heard of the new Yamaha BD-S667? I think the Pioneer BDP-170 will probibly have two major advantages over it. It will probibly cost so much less, and its DVD section will probibly be able to be made multi-region via a special IR code, just like the BDP-140/150/160 can. Even without the Pioneer exclusives, the fact that it will support SACD playback and will bitstream high-resolution and lossless codecs and decode them as multi-channel PCM might make this a nice player for under $200. While I'm hoping that the BDP-82FD/83FD/LX58/LX88 become a reality because of their PQLS and DSD-to-PCM at 176.4 KHz, I think this player might make a great alternative to the Oppo BDP-103, especially if you don't need multi-channel analog.
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The reason I talk about Pioneer players a lot is because I have been a huge fan of them since the SD DVD days. I love the fact that you could get $1000 performance for $500. They still do the same with their receivers. Two of my favorite products of theirs are the DV-58AV 2007-model Elite DVD/DVD-A/SACD player, and even though I don't have one, the VSX-80 2014-model receiver. I hope they get past whatever their difficulties are in the Blu-ray world so that those of us who haven't been able to move past the DV-58AV and BDP-09FD could finally move on to something with quality, speed, and wide A/V format compatibility.

I find it strange that Pioneer didn't release the BDP-160 in North America, yet the player was their first one with built-in wifi. I also find it strange that the 2012-model BDP-62FD/450 didn't get a replacement at all last year, such as the BDP-72FD/460. I hope 2014 turns out to be a good year for Pioneer, and that North America also gets the BDP-170, and that the BDP-62FD/450 gets a 2014 replacement, such as the BDP-82FD/470--two years past due! The promising articles in post #4 are now blank. Walkamo? David Susilo? What's going on here? As much as we love our DV-58AV and BDP-09FD, they go back to 2007 and 2008, respectively, and we really need at least the same sound and picture quality, wide audio/video file compatibility, and speed.
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A US press release and a US product detail page have been posted for the Elite BDP-80FD on Pioneer's USA website. I notice the BDP-80FD is missing DVD-A, PQLS, IR input/output, and RS232C IR interface. In fact, it seems to be the same thing as the BDP-170 that's being sold outside North America. If I'm not mistaking, if this is the same thing as the BDP-170, shouldn't we be paying $200 or less like the BDP-140 and BDP-150? I'm sure Walkamo and David Susilo are reading this. If this can do something that the BDP-170 can't do, I'm sure you'll tell us. However, if it can't, your silence would imply that Pioneer of North America decided to sell all their Blu-ray players under the Elite brand and double the MSRP just for the Elite brand alone, without PQLS, DVD-A, IR input/output, RS232C IR interface, etc.. If this new BDP-80FD has something the BDP-170 doesn't have that would justify paying $300 for it, please let us know what it is. If not, for the sake of the reputation of Pioneer of North America, you still have a chance to make this right and release this under the Pioneer brand as the BDP-170 and give it an MSRP similar to the BDP-140 and BDP-150. Out of curiosity, when outputting DSD as PCM, are we still stuck with 88.2 KHz? Has Pioneer finally released a player with a DSD-to-PCM conversion of 176.4 KHz? Or will we be able to choose the conversion frequency?

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This is wierd. The US manual says that in order to use PQLS with your Pioneer receiver, HDMI Control must be On on the player and receiver. However, it doesn't describe what PQLS is, nor mention it anywhere else. So it still isn't clear whether this new player has PQLS or not. I'll be back with another update after I check out the European BDP-170 manual.

How can this be? I thought Pioneer of Europe was supposed to be selling the BDP-170 now. Yet I can't find a European manual for it.

If anyone owns the BDP-170 and a Pioneer receiver with PQLS, here's what to do. If your receiver is from 2010 or earlier, set the HDMI output of the BDP-170 to PCM. If your receiver is from 2011 or later, set the HDMI output of the BDP-170 to Bitstream. Set the receiver's sound mode to AUTO SURROUND. Hit the PQLS button on the receiver's remote. If you can't get the PQLS light to come on, then there is a chance that the BDP-80FD and BDP-170 don't have PQLS.

If the BDP-80FD adds PQLS, it might be worth $50 more than the BDP-170 for that extra feature.

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Wow. What a letdown. I was waiting to see what the next generation Elite would offer. How can Pioneer stick Elite label on BDP-80FD? It's a travesty. Man, I am regretting not jumping on BDP-62FD when I had a chance to grab a clearance model from Best Buy for $90.
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Pioneer of North America took down all home electronics press releases prior to 2010, but I would love to have been able to provide links to pages that might have provided possible proof of what I'm going to tell you now. Let's go back to the early to mid 2000s. Remember the DV-563A from 2003, DV-578A from 2004, and DV-588A from 2005? They were great budget-to-midpriced DVD/DVD-A/SACD universal players sold under the Pioneer brand. Back in January 2006, Pioneer of North America had three players at their CES booth--the DV-393, DV-490V (which added HDMI), and DV-696AV (which added HDMI, DVD-A/SACD, and DivX Ultra). I forget the release date of the other players, but I believe the DV-696AV was to be released in June for an MSRP of $150. Everyone who owned one of the models from 2003, 2004, or 2005 was holding their breath for the DV-696AV. HDMI output, DVD-A/SACD, and DivX Ultra for $150? Made in Thailand, not China (like the Oppo DV-970HD, Philips DV-721SA, or Yamaha DV-C6760/6770/6860, DV-S5860, DVD-C750, DVD-C950, and DVD-S657)? Why wouldn't you hold your breath for six months for a good player like the DV-696AV. Well anyway, June came. Except for North America, everyone else was enjoying their DV-696AV. Meanwhile, during the summer of 2006, Pioneer did release a DV-46AV under the Elite brand for $300. It was announced during June. When looking at the product description, it was the same as the DV-696AV. Then in the summer of 2007, without any press announcement, Pioneer of North America released the DV-48AV which added 1080p via HDMI, as well as DSD output via HDMI. It had an MSRP of $300. Meanwhile, the rest of the world was enjoying their DV-600AV which did the same thing for half the cost. In 2008, without any press announcement, Pioneer of North America released the DV-49AV, which added CD-to-USB ripping, as well as enhanced the functionality of the Gamma control, allowing a gamma curve for viewing in brighter surroundings. Only this time, it had an MSRP of $200. Meanwhile, the rest of the world once again was enjoying their DV-610AV for a little less. The only detectable differences between the international Pioneer versions and the North American Elite versions were the color of the front panel display, the Elite remotes with the extra buttons for front panel dimming and HDMI, and the firmware to accomidate for the extra functions of the Elite remotes. Unless some kind of audio-enhancement circuitry was added between the Burr-Brown PCM1742KE DACs and the 5.1 analog output section, I thought Pioneer was ripping us off by selling the DV-46AV and DV-48AV for double the cost. At least between 2006-2008, Pioneer of North America didn't sell entry-level DVD players under the Elite brand and double the cost. The fact that the BDP-170 is Pioneer's entry-level Blu-ray player would make masking it as an Elite BDP-80FD an even worse approach than masking the DV-696AV/600AV/610AV as the Elite DV-46AV/48AV/49AV. Three ways of proof my theory would be correct would be (1) if Walkamo and David Susilo don't explain this situation at the forums to protect the reputation and integrity of Pioneer of North America, (2) if my posts regarding Pioneer of North America selling entry-to-midlevel players as Elite players costing twice as much get deleted, and/or (3) the powers that be decide to ban me from posting at AVS. If I can't post, even though it might take longer, I could always get answers to nonrelated audio/video issues by reading, as well as through hands-on trial and error. Banning a user, deleting his posts, or industry insiders not commenting would only proove that this theory was not to be discovered by anyone for the sake of reputation and integrity. All it takes is knowing a company's product lineups, studying paterns, and getting really good at it and I'm sure others besides myself would be able to get what I'm talking about if they haven't figured it out already. If that happens, lots of posts would get deleted. Lots of users might even get banned. Worst of all, people in North America might order a modified BDP-170 from other countries for less than $200 and Pioneer of North America would have a hard time selling the Elite BDP-80FD for $300 unless (1) it has a major advantage over the BDP-170, or (2) if they sell it as the BDP-170, with an MSRP of their entry-level Blu-ray players.

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Well, Pioneer as we knew it is kaput now. Perhaps it was their time to go. Oh, well. Life goes on.
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But their new Elite VSX-80 receiver lives up to their high performance at midprice reputation. I'd like to see them release a Blu-ray player like their old DV-58AV from 2007 with high performance at midprice.
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Well, Pioneer as we knew it is kaput now. Perhaps it was their time to go. Oh, well. Life goes on.
yes, kaput it is Pioneer Unloads Home Electronics Business

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I wouldn't give up on Pioneer just yet. Walkamo just posted this news. Now I'm going to be holding my breath again!

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Pioneer is not shifting their Home Electronics Business to Baring and Onkyo. Baring has purchased 51% of Pioneer as an investment and Pioneer and Onkyo own the remaining 49%. The exact split has not been announced yet. Pioneer and Onkyo will remain separate brands and investments from Baring will give us the capital to invest in non-traditional areas.

As far as BD is concerned you will see new models (Even a new flagship) launch by the end of the year.

Here is a link to a good explanation of what is going on at Pioneer.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/24/p...ome-av-groups/

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Sorry to go slightly OT but I see that you have 62fd and Sony S6200. How would you compare the DVD upconversion between the two? I read Sony s6200 is quite good but I am thinking 62fd would be better with its Qdeo. What do you say? Thanks.
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I wouldn't give up on Pioneer just yet. Walkamo just posted this news. Now I'm going to be holding my breath again!
Here's to hoping for Pioneer BDP-82FD/83FD. 170 is out already, right? So maybe all is not lost. Although I have to say offering us 80fd is almost insulting.
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Here's to hoping for Pioneer BDP-82FD/83FD. 170 is out already, right? So maybe all is not lost. Although I have to say offering us 80fd is almost insulting.
I agree with you about the BDP-80FD. They still can make it right. See post 13 of this thread.

I appreciate the fact that Walkamo came on here to set the record straight for us. No answer at all would have only been an admition of defeat. Remember, back in March there was a press release from a European electronics site about a BDP-LX58 and BDP-LX88, but it was taken down. Between that press release and the latest post from Walkamo, I think we just might see the Blu-ray player from Pioneer we've been waiting for! Now I have my heart once again set on the Elite VSX-80 receiver with its Sabre ESS9006 DACs and PQLS bitstreaming feature! A new skill Pioneer acquired is how to keep the consumer guessing whether Pioneer is going down or not--LOL!
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Sorry to go slightly OT but I see that you have 62fd and Sony S6200. How would you compare the DVD upconversion between the two? I read Sony s6200 is quite good but I am thinking 62fd would be better with its Qdeo. What do you say? Thanks.
My impressions are that both are good [I am talking about DVDs, for BDs they are hard to tell apart anyway], but I suspect I need to recalibrate my TV a bit, because I am not getting maximum out of s6200 yet. Need to play with settings more. On other hand, Qdeo of 62fd may be a bit soft on a 60" plasma.

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My impressions are that both are good [I am talking about DVDs, for BDs they are hard to tell apart anyway], but I suspect I need to recalibrate my TV a bit, because I am not getting maximum out of s6200 yet. Need to play with settings more. On other hand, Qdeo of 62fd may be a bit soft on a 60" plasma.
Thanks for your reply. 62fd looks soft? That's disapoointing. I've been asking around about DVD upconversion in 62fd and it's been a mixed bag. Half thinks it's as good as Oppo and other half thinks it's no better than average.
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Thanks for your reply. 62fd looks soft? That's disapoointing. I've been asking around about DVD upconversion in 62fd and it's been a mixed bag. Half thinks it's as good as Oppo and other half thinks it's no better than average.
I think 62fd is definitely better than average, but not as good as s6200.

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I think 62fd is definitely better than average, but not as good as s6200.
I just realized that the 6200 has 4K upscaling. Maybe that's why it can upscale better than the 62FD. From what I remember, that European press release from March regarding the BDP-LX58 and BDP-LX88 mentioned 4K upscaling as well. So if Walkamo was refering to the North American version of those players, you'd have something even better than the Sony BDP-S6200 to hold your breath for by the end of this year!
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While Pioneer's press release says that the 80FD will ship in August, Pioneer's online shop claims they're shipping it now. I am waiting from a response from Pioneer as to whether or not the BDP-80FD has PQLS. The product detail page doesn't mention it. The manual mentions it, but doesn't describe what it is. I sense some inconsistancies which makes me wonder.
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The other players with PQLS had PQLS indicaters on the front. The BDP-80FD does not. So I would assume that the BDP-80FD doesn't include the PQLS feature. I think it's wrong that the rest of the world can get the BDP-170 for $150. So if you don't need DVD-AUDIO or PQLS, just get the BDP-170 as an import and save yourselves some money. If you need DVD-AUDIO and PQLS, it looks like Pioneer is continuing the Elite BDP-62FD into 2014 because they have some for sale on their website at the full $399 MSRP. It looks like Pioneer decided to drop the ball on the BDP-LX58 and BDP-LX88, which makes sense considering that their 2014 receivers use similar Sabre ES90xx DACs and 4K upscaling as those players were going to use. It would have been a waste for Pioneer, as well as for the consumers, to put a player up for sale at a similar premium as their receivers. And as for me, unless they put out a press release for a new flagship Blu-ray player, it looks like my next move just very well may be pulling the trigger on the dynamic duo, which will consist of the VSX-80 receiver and the BDP-62FD Blu-ray player. Sound good?
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This just keeps getting more and more frustrating and interesting as we go along. Most of the time, when I e-mail tech support, they tell me that they'd serve me better if I phone them. So, I decided to do just that. Each time I called different departments, I was on hold for +/-an hour. First, I asked for the latest date of manufacturing for the BDP-62FD. Tech support transfers me over to another department, who told me that the BDP-62FD has recently been discontinued, and I'd receive an e-mail with the latest date of manufacturing for the BDP-62FD. I hung up and thought things over for a few minutes. I decided to phone tech support again, explaining that the BDP-80FD manual mentions that in order for PQLS to work, HDMI Control must be turned on, but not what PQLS is, that the player doesn't have PQLS indicaters like on the other PQLS players, and that the product detail page doesn't mention PQLS at all. The rep puts me on hold. He says that the BDP-80FD isn't in yet, but that it will support PQLS, and that I have to have HDMI Control set to On on my receiver and the player, and the receiver's PQLS function turned on. I explained that I have the BDP-23FD and VSX-32 and know how to activate PQLS, but would like to upgrade to the new VSX-80 and BDP-80FD. Just as I was getting ready to ask if he actually tested it and where he got his info, me and the rep got disconnected. So I decide to call back and wait again, only to be told that they are in training and to try again later. I had lunch, did other stuff, and finally, I called them back and got a different rep. I really liked the rep I got disconnected from, but what can you do. So anyway, this rep said that if PQLS is in the manual, whether the manual explains what PQLS is or not, whether the player has PQLS indicators or not, the BDP-80FD has the PQLS feature. I've seen manuals with typos. I don't know how to explain it, but somehow I have a feeling that this is a typo and the player doesn't have PQLS. Walkamo, David Susilo, or someone else with Pioneer connections really should find out, come to AVS, and let us know what the deal is with the BDP-62FD, whether or not the BDP-80FD has the PQLS feature, and whether or not Pioneer plans on releasing models with additional features not found on the BDP-80FD. If I order the BDP-80FD and I can't get PQLS to work, I want a shipping and tax refund being that it would have been their error. I'm sure the rest of you who are following this thread have the same questions as me, but either can't fit being on hold with Pioneer into your schedules, or just don't want to deal with the frustration (I don't blame you!). The way I feel is that posts here at AVS have helped me with major A/V decisions over the past six years and counting, and that someone has to get the answers so we all know them. While I'm taking the time to do this for myself, I'm sure that by posting whatever info I do get is saving the AVS community and tech support time because all people would have to do is google things and instantly get the answers they're looking for. Also, if anyone actually owns the combination of a BDP-80FD or BDP-170 and a mid-priced Pioneer receiver with PQLS, please see if you can get the PQLS indicater on your receiver to light and let us know. Remember, just because the BDP-170 doesn't include PQLS, that doesn't necessarily mean that the BDP-80FD doesn't. In many ways, it is possible that the BDP-80FD is a lot like a BDP-52FD without DVD-AUDIO.
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Hello, all!
Well, unfortunately, my BDP-62FD died after two years of dedicated disc spinning. When it worked, I liked it; however, I felt mixed about it. No offense to anyone, but the player did not feel like an Elite to me. Sure, it looked nice; however, the dainty feel revealed a subtle cheapness alien to the usual Elite line.

Back in the day, Pioneer built their players like tanks: they lasted for years. In fact, my 45-A Elite DVD player still works flawlessly. And it certainly has a lot more mileage on it than my former 62FD. As a long-time Pio-fan, I hate seeing them go out this way with optics. I loved their Elite Laserdisc and DVD players. The sleek design and sometimes rosewood paneling showed confident components as reliable as they were stylish.

Upon seeing their new model (BDP80), I decided to go with an Oppo 105. I am not sure what Pioneer is thinking, but I am not forking over $300 for a BDP170 with an Elite paint job. PQLS or not, it's just insulting for those of us hoping for a new reference player. I mean—come on—Pioneer! What happened?

Even though I like my Oppo, I wish Pioneer would come back and teach them a lesson. Oppo has class and a bevy of great features; nevertheless, it lacks the design character of the older Elite line.

If Pioneer gets their act together and releases a real reference player, I will come back.

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I think part of Pioneer's problem is trying to find a high-quality, afordable OEM solution for their players. As for what you said about buying a BDP-170 with an Elite paintjob, I suspect the same thing was happening in 2006 with the DV-696AV selling for $300 as the DV-46AV, and in 2007 with the DV-600AV selling for $300 as the DV-48AV. At least in 2008, the DV-610AV was selling for $200 as the DV-49AV. Too bad the 2007-model $500 DV-58AV didn't come out before Blu-ray took off because that was an awesome SD universal player, worthy of the Elite brand! In fact, from the moment I got mine till this day, I have been modeling all HDMI-equipped receivers, SD DVD players and Blu-ray players after it. While they have been struggling with disc players, has anyone noticed the new receivers with Sabre Premier ES9006 DACs, HDMI 2.0, and 4K upscaling? For $600, the Pioneer VSX-1124 and for $700, the Elite VSX-80 have audio specs similar to the Burr-Brown PCM1796 DACs in the Elite DV-58AV. However, being that you can connect Blu-ray players to their new receivers via HDMI, it would be a lot like playing Blu-ray discs on a DV-58AV, if you know what I mean. A few years ago, getting a receiver that can do what these new ones can do used to cost at least between $1500 and $2000, or possibly more than that. With receivers this good, you don't need a player with good DACs and a beefed-up analog section. Basicly, all you need is a Blu-ray player which bitstreams via HDMI. However, if Pioneer wants a flagship companion player, maybe they should focus on things like blocking sound from coming from the disc mechanism, making the disc mechanism less volnerable to external vibration, and keeping PQLS bitstreaming via HDMI. Speaking of quiet, protected disc mechanisms, they should base it on the DV-58AV, but replace the MediaTek MT-1389EXE CPU with the MediaTek MT-8556 (or later) CPU, add Blu-ray support, WiFi, LAN, USB, HDMI 1.4, a Source Direct option under HDMI resolution, bitstreaming PQLS, and remove both the analog audio and analog video sections. That would be worth $300.
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I think part of Pioneer's problem is trying to find a high-quality, afordable OEM solution for their players. As for what you said about buying a BDP-170 with an Elite paintjob, I suspect the same thing was happening in 2006 with the DV-696AV selling for $300 as the DV-46AV, and in 2007 with the DV-600AV selling for $300 as the DV-48AV. At least in 2008, the DV-610AV was selling for $200 as the DV-49AV. Too bad the 2007-model $500 DV-58AV didn't come out before Blu-ray took off because that was an awesome SD universal player, worthy of the Elite brand! In fact, from the moment I got mine till this day, I have been using it as a basis for how I judge all HDMI-equipped receivers, SD DVD players and Blu-ray players. While they have been struggling with disc players, has anyone noticed the new receivers with Sabre Premier ES9006 DACs, HDMI 2.0, and 4K upscaling? For $600, the Pioneer VSX-1124 and for $700, the Elite VSX-80 have audio specs similar to the Burr-Brown PCM1796 DACs in the Elite DV-58AV. However, being that you can connect Blu-ray players to their new receivers via HDMI, it would be a lot like playing Blu-ray discs on a DV-58AV, if you know what I mean. A few years ago, getting a receiver that can do what these new ones can do used to cost at least between $1500 and $2000, or possibly more than that. With receivers this good, you don't need a player with good DACs and a beefed-up analog section. Basicly, all you need is a Blu-ray player which bitstreams via HDMI. However, if Pioneer wants a flagship companion player, maybe they should focus on things like blocking sound from coming from the disc mechanism, making the disc mechanism less volnerable to external vibration, and keeping PQLS bitstreaming via HDMI. Speaking of quiet, protected disc mechanisms, they should base it on the DV-58AV, but replace the MediaTek MT-1389EXE CPU with the MediaTek MT-8556 (or later) CPU, add Blu-ray support, WiFi, LAN, USB, HDMI 1.4, a Source Direct option under HDMI resolution, bitstreaming PQLS, and remove both the analog audio and analog video sections. That would be worth $300.
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