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post #1 of 124 Old 09-05-2014, 07:35 AM - Thread Starter
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4K Blu-ray Confirmed for Summer 2015

BDA to relaese final specs for 4K Blu-ray by summer of 2015. 4K Blu-ray players by Christmas 2015.

http://www.avforums.com/news/4k-ultr...med-2015.10665
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BDA to relaese final specs for 4K Blu-ray by summer of 2015. 4K Blu-ray but Christmas 2015.

http://www.avforums.com/news/4k-ultr...med-2015.10665
I would LOVE for this to be true but I will believe it when I see it. I am guessing the timing will slip...always seems to happen.
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Here's another post, and I came across two other sources as well with basically the same information. I'm betting it's true...equipment manufacturers and content providers must be sweating bullets now that you can get players for $50 and discs for as little as $5. They see UHD as their next cash cow.

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/tel...s-2015-1264317
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I bet they found a way to screw all existing 4K TV owners so that you will have buy new TVs to support 4K BD.
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^ I'm sure existing 2014 UHD TVs will support the new 4K BD, but they may not support 'all' the features if the new format contains 'all' the enhancements of 4K. But I'm sure owners will be getting a true 4K picture that will look awesome.

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I would LOVE for this to be true but I will believe it when I see it. I am guessing the timing will slip...always seems to happen.
I think it is real this time. Most of the infrastructure is already in place. Just a matter of agreeing to final specs like codec and disk size. I hope they overbuild from the start to one day allow for higher FPS, HDR, WCG etc. Most likely going to go with h.265 codec to eventually support the highest profile. I hope we don't get stuck with the 3 layer 100GB size just because it would be cheap and easy, but since this is most likely the last generation of physical media it would not surprise me that they would not want to invest any more money.
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I'm pretty sure it will be the first device to require the new HDCP 2.2 in order to see 4K. Early 4K TVs with HDMI 1.4 probably don't support HDCP 2.2 either. Nor are any of the existing AVRs without HDMI 2.0 support.
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I'm pretty sure it will be the first device to require the new HDCP 2.2 in order to see 4K. Early 4K TVs with HDMI 1.4 probably don't support HDCP 2.2 either. Nor are any of the existing AVRs without HDMI 2.0 support.
I have the same opinion and was about to post the same. I think HDCP will be potential thorn in the side. I was considering upgrading my AV8801 pre/pro this Christmas but will now likely hold off as even the newly announced Marantz av7702/8802 won't have HDCP 2.2.
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I wonder who will be the first out with a player and how much it will cost. Panasonic already sells a UHD recorder in Japan that uses HEVC, but I doubt Sony is just going to sit idly by while their competitors steal their thunder.
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I'm pretty sure it will be the first device to require the new HDCP 2.2 in order to see 4K. Early 4K TVs with HDMI 1.4 probably don't support HDCP 2.2 either. Nor are any of the existing AVRs without HDMI 2.0 support.
The 2014 UHD TVs do have HDCP 2.2. But you're probably right in that the 2013 models without HDCP 2.2 might very well have issues. I'm amending my previous post.
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Putting the cart before the horse. We have no UHD standard yet as Joe Kane said HDMI is not up to the task for real UHD that he proposes so lets make a blu-ray standard #dumb
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I would LOVE for this to be true but I will believe it when I see it. I am guessing the timing will slip...always seems to happen.
I will take it with a grain of salt. The Pioneer guy who was "chairman" of BDA last year said we would have the spec by year end 2014.
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Another source saying discs will be available next September with 4k movies put on current discs

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1307...christmas-2015

Also higher bitrate, better compression, 10 bit color and rec 2020 color space would be potentially included

http://www.cnet.com/au/news/4k-blu-r...reaming-media/

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wait i was gonna pick up a 4k tv today, Should i hold off till next year?
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Even UHDTV haven't agreed on any spec besides resolution (color, dynamic range, gamma etc). I think 4k BluRay is premature.
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Even UHDTV haven't agreed on any spec besides resolution (color, dynamic range, gamma etc). I think 4k BluRay is premature.
actually CEA updated what a tv has to have in ordered to be considered UHD. i think the fears of this spec may be unwarranted and i believe it will all fall in place so at least early adopters of 1st and 2nd gen UHD sets aren't left behind. i believe they will stick with HDCP 2.2, also if your sets arent compatible now then im sure they'll Sell devices to bring it up to spec. just like sony did with theyre A series

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actually CEA updated what a tv has to have in ordered to be considered UHD. i think the fears of this spec may be unwarranted and i believe it will all fall in place so at least early adopters of 1st and 2nd gen UHD sets aren't left behind. i believe they will stick with HDCP 2.2, also if your sets arent compatible now then im sure they'll Sell devices to bring it up to spec. just like sony did with theyre A series

http://www.ce.org/News/News-Releases...h-Definit.aspx
Yes, but the problem is the whole signal chain needs HDCP 2.2. If you run an HDMI through a receiver, like 90% of us on AVS, then your receiver will also need to be HDCP 2.2 compliant. Only Onkyo is 2.2 compliant for their new receivers..Denon, Marantz, Pioneer,etc.. all are not HDCP 2.2
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Most of the new receivers will be HDMI 2.2. This upgrade cycle is nothing new. We've been through it a number of times. Nothing unique about the 4K cycle.
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Yes, but the problem is the whole signal chain needs HDCP 2.2. If you run an HDMI through a receiver, like 90% of us on AVS, then your receiver will also need to be HDCP 2.2 compliant. Only Onkyo is 2.2 compliant for their new receivers..Denon, Marantz, Pioneer,etc.. all are not HDCP 2.2
yea like ken said that's just the way it goes, its another reasons to upgrade your receiver. we've got atmos emerging along with 4k, IMO its better to wait to buy a receiver if you want to stay on the safe side and get all of the features you want.
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So which is it.... do we see discs being produced that dictate how the disc play will work or will the players dictate how the discs will be made? It would be nice to see some actual standards being set forth that all the studios sign on to. I agree with the last poster on these players being a bit premature.
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Don't quote me but I heard there will be two formats one made by Toshiba and the other by Sony.












That wasn't even funny.
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Perhaps I misremembered.

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1. Streaming 4K: Not for everybody, and for the fortunate few, don't expect to be truly 4K.

2. Real 4K physical software (Blu-ray disc): I will believe it when I see it.

3. Sony 4K Movie servers: We know Sony, and their exclusive/proprietary stratagems.

4. True 4K/3D @ the right fps: I'm dying to live that day ...
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Don't quote me but I heard there will be two formats one made by Toshiba and the other by Sony.
Is their a new 'resurgence' on HD DVD, in 4K?

* Rainbow discs, holographic multi-layers (up to 100 layers, or more); where you can have an entire encyclopedia on a single disc, and more.
...And a library on less than 1,000 discs. ...We'll all been gone, but new generations will see the day...
And all the guns of the world will ....
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4k Blu-Ray finalized, player/sw shipping 2015

http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...s-2015-1264317

gah... i dont think i'll be replacing my 1,000+ Blu-Rays this time

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gah... i dont think i'll be replacing my 1,000+ Blu-Rays this time
Me neither but for good new movies when the price is $9.99 then I will.

But that won't happen until Dec 2015
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yeah maybe 2017? 2018?

not in that link but other links, there is talks about expanded color depth and HDR, that is what i look forward to the most! that's amazing! hope all DI were already in high color depths!

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also if they really want to 'future-proof' this, i'd setup this standard with the ability to go 8k, atmos/uhd audio, 16bit color depth and variable fps all using h266 codecs... from the future.... they should have done with the first DVD standard... but that's not how business works lolz

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So the only people who will really care are the "receiver crowd"?

None of us have compatible receivers?

Some of us have TVs that are 4K but are also incompatible?

Again, this is for copy protection in a format that is completely pointless to copy? (You can rip a BluRay and torrent that; torrenting a higher-quality rip is essentially pointless.)

These discs won't be rentable at Redbox and almost certainly not at Netflix either? (And Netflix is phasing out discs every quarter, down an average of 400K subs over the past 10 quarters.... Even if that rate slows, Netflix seems poised to shut down the disc business no later than the end of 2016.)

It's essentially a 50GB disc format, which means it's essentially crippled from being truly great? (Yes, I've seen the math. Yes, I know what HEVC is. No, I do not buy that you can have the truly great 4K quality that will actually make a noticeable difference to regular folks on a BluRay format by crippling it this way.)

I would absolutely love to be wrong about this, but 4K BluRay seems like a commercial failure before it ever gets started.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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It is going to be a niche market for sure. Majority will be/already have been satisfied with the various HD streaming offerings today. Heck, a lot ppl here bought a BD player but never play BD discs in it. They use it to stream instead.
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I would absolutely love to be wrong about this, but 4K BluRay seems like a commercial failure before it ever gets started.
It is not going to be a huge money maker for those involved, but I don't see how it could be a commercial failure. They are using the same equipment already in place that makes blu-ray for movies and video games to make 3 layer 100GB and possibly 4 layer 128GB for 4K movies. They are still making blu-ray players, so beefing them up with 60-100mbs transfer rates and adding HEVC decoder chipset will be another minimal cost. Most new movies are already shot in 4K and a lot of the older ones were scan in 4K, from 35mm film when the were transfer to blu-ray. Is there some big cost I am missing? BDA licensing fees?
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