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Tell that to those of us who purchased one because if specifically states that it will PASS THROUGH 4K video.
It won't do devices that are HDCP2.2 compliant...
The spring 2015 Pioneers added HDMI 2.0/HDCP2.2/4K/60hz. Previous Pioneers didn't have all of these.
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Samsung K8500 released today in limited quantities in California per:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...-for-399/29585

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/n...yers/79833832/


We'll see if this is real. Bodes well if true.

I checked my preorder from Samsung's website. It still says, "Preparing order for shipment." Which is has said for the last month.
It is real....

I spoke to the Santa Monica store yesterday. They already had the player set up and ready to demo, with reps from Samsung there last night.
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It is real....

I spoke to the Santa Monica store yesterday. They already had the player set up and ready to demo, with reps from Samsung there last night.
While I'm excited that they are finally here, I'm also a little ticked off. I preordered from Samsung the first day it was available to, "get to the front of the line." Hopefully, they'll fulfill the preorders soon.
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It is real....

I spoke to the Santa Monica store yesterday. They already had the player set up and ready to demo, with reps from Samsung there last night.
While I'm excited that they are finally here, I'm also a little ticked off. I preordered from Samsung the first day it was available to, "get to the front of the line." Hopefully, they'll fulfill the preorders soon.
I've been in LA for 25 years. AVC has regularly had these kind of premiere "early" special event launches.

There is a press conference at 5 after which they'll sell a "very limited" amount of players.

No one should feel slighted. This is a Samsung marketing event. No ones been pushed to the back of any line

The Samsung web store is no different than any other retailer, even with Samsung product. It's about logistics, warehousing, shipping etc.... The distribution chain. Over the years, I've seen it many times where the manufacturers actually are the last to stock and ship their own products.

I expect Amazon and Best Buy to be the first shippers... If Samsung beats them that would be the exception not the rule.

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Anybody know if sparco.com is an authorised reseller for Samsung? It seems like they are the only one selling it at a discount.

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Anybody know if sparco.com is an authorised reseller for Samsung? It seems like they are the only one selling it at a discount.

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Probably not, there return policy would indicate this.

http://www.sparco.com/sparco/pages/return/

Once you buy from them, you're stuck, if you not happy with the Samsung UHD player, then you can't simply return it.
I suppose if you argued with them maybe, but I would bet you would have to pay a restocking fee.
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Slight correction...

The HDMI 1.4 spec covered 8-bit 2160p with RGB/4:4:4 at up to 30fps. Ultra HD Blu-Ray is 10-bit 2160p with 4:2:0 chroma subsampling, so it is technically not covered by the HDMI 1.4 spec. In terms of bandwidth, 10-bit 2160p with 4:2:0 chroma subsampling at up to 30 fps should fit in an HDMI 1.4 pipe, but it depends on whether or not players will actually output 10-bit 2160p 4:2:0 or if they are forced to upscale the chroma and output as 4:2:2 or even 4:4:4. If so, then HDMI 2.0 or a down conversion to 8-bit would be required, even at 24/25/30 fps.
I can set my 3 year old 1080p Blu-ray player to output upscaled 10 bit 4K/UHD over HDMI 1.4. That player was made at least a year before HDMI 2.0 was finalized and yet it can still do it.

Also my Nvidia 870m can output 10 bit 4K/UHD @ 60 FPS 4:2:0 and that card came out 1 year before HDMI 2.0.

In addition the HDMI wiki page says nothing about 10 bit ever being added for HDMI 2.0. In fact it doesn't indicate that it was ever added.

I believe that higher bit depths have been supported since HDMI 1.3 or else deep color wouldn't have worked when it was added for HDMI 1.3. However, I am willing to hear any arguments against this. Please provide a reference stating that 10 bit was not supported until HDMI 2.0.
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While I'm excited that they are finally here, I'm also a little ticked off. I preordered from Samsung the first day it was available to, "get to the front of the line." Hopefully, they'll fulfill the preorders soon.
I would be just as pissed that they had "copies of 20th Century FOX UHD titles" on had for sale. If they are breaking release date (March 1), then why can't everyone else break release date?
If they had something similar in Dallas, I'd be tempted to cancel all of my pre-orders (hardware+software) and dive in.

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I would be just as pissed that they had "copies of 20th Century FOX UHD titles" on had for sale. If they are breaking release date (March 1), then why can't everyone else break release date?
If they had something similar in Dallas, I'd be tempted to cancel all of my pre-orders (hardware+software) and dive in.
I would drive an hour to Dallas for this stuff as well.
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are you talking about the HD fury? hasnt that been pulled from the market due to copyright infringement issues?

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Will this player support SACD?
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Will this player support SACD?
What about DVD-A? Heck is either format still around?

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I can set my 3 year old 1080p Blu-ray player to output upscaled 10 bit 4K/UHD over HDMI 1.4. That player was made at least a year before HDMI 2.0 was finalized and yet it can still do it.

Also my Nvidia 870m can output 10 bit 4K/UHD @ 60 FPS 4:2:0 and that card came out 1 year before HDMI 2.0.

In addition the HDMI wiki page says nothing about 10 bit ever being added for HDMI 2.0. In fact it doesn't indicate that it was ever added.

I believe that higher bit depths have been supported since HDMI 1.3 or else deep color wouldn't have worked when it was added for HDMI 1.3. However, I am willing to hear any arguments against this. Please provide a reference stating that 10 bit was not supported until HDMI 2.0.
According to the HDMI 2.0 FAQ on HDMI.org's website, there was no "official" support for 10-bit 2160p in HDMI 1.4. However, the HDMI 1.4 spec did officially support 12-bit 2160p with 4:2:2 chroma subsampling at up to 30fps. HDMI 2.0 added support for 10, 12, & 16-bit 2160p with RGB/4:4:4 at up to 30 fps. It also added support for 8, 10, 12, & 16-bit 2160p with 4:2:0 chroma at 50/60 fps, 8-bit 2160p with RGB/4:4:4 at 50/60 fps, and 12-bit 2160p with 4:2:2 chroma at 50/60 fps.

What's odd is that there is no official support for 10-bit 2160p with 4:2:2, regardless of frame rate, despite the fact that there is support for 12-bit 2160p with 4:2:2 chroma at all typical frame rates.

So, you are correct in saying that there was support for higher bit depths at 2160p24/25/30. However, you could only do 8-bit 2160p RGB/4:4:4 at 24/25/30 fps. For higher bit depths at 2160p, you had to use 4:2:2 chroma subsampling. That was the only minor detail that I was attempting to correct.

Regarding your example of 10-bit (deep color) 2160p24 output with 3 year old Blu-Ray players, I would be curious to know if the player and displays were actually using an unofficially supported format (10-bit 2160p24 with 4:2:2 chroma) or if it bumped the bit depth up to 12-bit to use an "officially" supported format (12-bit 2160p24 with 4:2:2 chroma)...
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Looks like FRYS bay area and San Diego have them in stock for local pick up

http://www.frys.com/product/8703991?...FZBhfgodvYABvQ
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I would call Fry's to check before going to the Store.

Checking a Store On-Line for a product only indicates that that Store carrys the product. It does not mean it is in stock.

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I know this isn't the place for it but what hdmi cable would be perfect for this blu Ray player? Sorry I'm not to informative on this subject.
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I know this isn't the place for it but what hdmi cable would be perfect for this blu Ray player? Sorry I'm not to informative on this subject.

An Monoprice HDMI cable? Amazon basics? As long as it's "high speed" you should be OK.


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Buy at your own risk, they don't seem like authorized sellers, read their return policy as well.

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I know this isn't the place for it but what hdmi cable would be perfect for this blu Ray player? Sorry I'm not to informative on this subject.
I think it's a great question, and perfect for this thread. The guys who answered you are right on the money.

The reason I think it's a good question, is that like many of the early adopters here, I have a bunch of HDMI cables...and lots of them date back to the dawn of HDMI. And what was that 10 years ago? Longer?

And there's no way of knowing which of them are ancient, and which are somewhat newer. I guess if I had been totally OCD I would have labeled them with the purchase date but....not.

So I just ordered about a dozen Amazon Basics hi-speed HDMI cables in various lengths, the ones rated for 4K. I'll use them for the new Samsung K8500, and the NVidia Shield, which are both 4K devices. And just for the heck of it I'll use the new cables for everything else, too.

The older HDMI cables will go in my toolbox, for when a friend buys a 780p TV and wants me to help hook it up!

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Looks like FRYS bay area and San Diego have them in stock for local pick up

http://www.frys.com/product/8703991?...FZBhfgodvYABvQ
Thanks for the pointer. I actually went over there at lunch time and I am now the proud owner of the Samsung UBD-K8500 (They had one on display and only 1 in stock).

I unfortunately have work this afternoon and am busy until late this evening.

I will only be able to try Blu-Rays (and possibly some Apps) tonight as my 4K TV is on pre-order (LG 2016 OLED G6) and won't ship until the ~22nd of this month.
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It's an exciting day for home theater. Can't wait to read and see all the details on this player. Hope JaguarCRO and others put it through its paces and share all the details here.
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Looks like FRYS bay area and San Diego have them in stock for local pick up

http://www.frys.com/product/8703991?...FZBhfgodvYABvQ
Thanks for the pointer. I actually went over there at lunch time and I am now the proud owner of the Samsung UBD-K8500 (They had one on display and only 1 in stock).

I unfortunately have work this afternoon and am busy until late this evening.

I will only be able to try Blu-Rays (and possibly some Apps) tonight as my 4K TV is on pre-order (LG 2016 OLED G6) and won't ship until the ~22nd of this month.
Wow congratulations !!!

Do you have a 1080p projector with HDCP1.4 to connect to 8500? I am very interested to see if it works without hd fury integral? Thx. Look forward to seeing your feedback.
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I'm bothered by the fact there is not one single professional review before these go on sale.


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Wow congratulations !!!

Do you have a 1080p projector with HDCP1.4 to connect to 8500? I am very interested to see if it works without hd fury integral? Thx. Look forward to seeing your feedback.
Any non-HDCP 2.2 display would work. If you were able to get any UHD discs, that would be the most critical thing to check with your HDCP 1.4 display, but it's also worth checking regular Blu-Rays, DVD's, and the streaming apps.
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Wow congratulations !!!

Do you have a 1080p projector with HDCP1.4 to connect to 8500? I am very interested to see if it works without hd fury integral? Thx. Look forward to seeing your feedback.
Not a projector but I do have a older Samsung Plasma (Model # Samsung PN63C7000) which is 1080p and has HDMI 1.4 ports on it. Unfortunately I don't have any UHD 4K Blurays yet (They didn't have any at Fry's) and the orders that I have placed show release dates of March 1st.

Maybe I can find some place that will ship me a UHD 4K Bluray before 3/1
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