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post #11701 of 13255 Old 01-25-2017, 10:40 AM
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just search this thread for 'remote' - lots of responses - here's one:
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Crap, you beat me to it.

I was trying to hunt down this post of mine for @Ambush083 which also includes a picture...

Official Samsung UBD-K8500 4K HDR Ultra HD Blu-Ray Player Owner's Thread
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I think it is a bit of both. Some scenes are lit red so red illumination is going to happen and then there was one particular brief scene where guys were referring to the phenomenon as "smearing". If it was prevalent in every disc then this would have caused an outcry but other than those initial posts dating back to the April 2016 time frame when the disk was first released this is the first post in a long time discussing anything similar.

It appears this issue was isolated and if it was something that Samsung could (or would) fix via firmware it probably would have happened by now.

If you jump to the following posts you will see it was a pretty active topic at the time with the word "smearing" appearing over 30 on that page alone...

Official Samsung UBD-K8500 4K HDR Ultra HD Blu-Ray Player Owner's Thread

...and if you use the Search this Thread feature you will find over 140 posts discussing "smearing". I believe the topic also came up in the UHD Content thread.
That's probably a better word - smearing.

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My Wiring Diagram

Based on the amount of interest (or lack of posts) where guys have shared their wiring diagrams, I thought you guys might be interested in taking a look at my revised wiring diagram to reflect the addition of the new Chromecast Ultra which now makes it possible for me to view YouTube HDR videos.

Just in case anyone is wondering, the UBD-K8500 will never be upgraded to play YouTube HDR anymore so than an older TV would (and by that I mean 2014 & 2015 models) because at the time of it's production it contained the VP9 chipset. In order to play YouTube HDR it would require a hardware change to the VP9 Profile 2 chipset which has only begun to appear in some 2016 television models and external devices such as the Chromecast Ultra.

As you can see I am one of "those guys" who prefers to hook up his primary video devices to his One Connect Box for a number of reason which you can view in the following post...

Advantages to Connecting Devices to the One Connect Box
Although the above link includes pictures and scenarios applicable to the 2015 Samsung interface, if you read between the lines many of the advantages might also apply to your particular architecture.

The major change between this and my old schematic is that I have moved the Apple TV to my Receiver and used that input to hook up the Chromecast Ultra. The advantage to this setup is so that anytime I cast from my iPad (or any device for that matter) it automatically selects the input the Chromecast Ultra is plugged into. If my TV is turned off at the time it will even turn it on for me!

My setup is pretty typical of what a guy with an older A/V Receiver without HDMI 2.0a & HDCP 2.2 would do in the case of hooking up the UBD-K8500 using the dual output method along with connecting other gear that requires HDMI 2.0a / HDCP 2.2 ports.

I wouldn't have bothered posting my wiring diagram as a separate post until I realized on my BD Wise Guy post, my old schematic generated over 1,400 views plus at least another 1,000 where I have attached it to other posts on AVS Forum so without further ado please see the attached thumbnail...
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My Wiring Diagram

Based on the amount of interest (or lack of posts) where guys have shared their wiring diagrams, I thought you guys might be interested in taking a look at my revised wiring diagram to reflect the addition of the new Chromecast Ultra which now makes it possible for me to view YouTube HDR videos.

Just in case anyone is wondering, the UBD-K8500 will never be upgraded to play YouTube HDR anymore so than an older TV would (and by that I mean 2014 & 2015 models) because at the time of it's production it contained the VP9 chipset. In order to play YouTube HDR it would require a hardware change to the VP9 Profile 2 chipset which has only begun to appear in some 2016 television models and external devices such as the Chromecast Ultra.
Very nice! Did you use any special software to create it, if so what was it please?
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Very nice! Did you use any special software to create it, if so what was it please?
Nothing real special other than Paint that comes with MS Windows and the Snipping Tool.

I used the pictures in my Marantz manual. If your manual shows a front and back you can just do a bit of a cut and paste into a Paint picture and then go to town.

If you right click on my diagram and save it to your computer you can save a little time creating the little icons for each device and the HDMI cables and then use the select tool (or eraser) to remove my captions and replace them with your own. You can also use the eraser tool to remove whatever else you like.

Also if you search around the internet and pull up some images you may luck out and find something close to use as a starting point. You should at least be able to find the One Connect Box applicable to the 2016 Samsung KS model.

I would suggest opening up two or three instances of Paint so you can switch between them while you create your masterpiece!

Being the nice guy that I am (even though a few testy members of AVS might not agree ) to get you started, here is a ultra high def picture of the back of your Denon X4200W...

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...along with one of the front with the door open...

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You'll notice on my Wiring Diagram I used the right side of the front picture since that is where my HDMI port is. I see yours is on the left so that is the side you would want to use for your cutaway.

Hell, if I made it any easier for you I would have asked for a list of your devices telling me what HDMI port they are plugged into and done it for you.
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I just got this player. put in an UHD disc and it is only displaying in 1080p(black bars on top and bottom of the screen, not full screen).

I have LG 60UH7700 TV. All hdmi ports are hdcp 2.2. Have high speed HDMI cable, direct connection from the player to the tv. 4k video from the youtube app displays correctly. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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I just got this player. put in an UHD disc and it is only displaying in 1080p(black bars on top and bottom of the screen, not full screen).

I have LG 60UH7700 TV. All hdmi ports are hdcp 2.2. Have high speed HDMI cable, direct connection from the player to the tv. 4k video from the youtube app displays correctly. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
4k discs come with black bars also. The aspect ratio 1.85 or 2.39 determines if you have black bars or not. 99% of movies will have bars.
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I just got this player. put in an UHD disc and it is only displaying in 1080p(black bars on top and bottom of the screen, not full screen).

I have LG 60UH7700 TV. All hdmi ports are hdcp 2.2. Have high speed HDMI cable, direct connection from the player to the tv. 4k video from the youtube app displays correctly. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
You are not doing anything wrong. This is the "why isn't my 2.35:1 movie filling the screen" "because it's a different shape to the screen" discussion that we had in 1999 with DVDs. It is nothing whatsoever to do with the format.
(and after 18 years of answering this FAQ, I hope you can appreciate why we're all a little tired of it!)
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4k discs come with black bars also. The aspect ratio 1.85 or 2.39 determines if you have black bars or not. 99% of movies will have bars.
majority of UHD movies are letterbox, hate to disappoint you. One of the few that isn't is Pacific Rim UHD.
IF you don't see the HDR flag appear, though, when you start the UHD disc, you should verify on the LG TV that the HDMI input has UHD Deep Color enabled.
I've enabled it for all inputs on my 55UH8500 LG set, it won't hurt anything
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4k discs come with black bars also. The aspect ratio 1.85 or 2.39 determines if you have black bars or not. 99% of movies will have bars.
I know by 99% you just meant "most" and it was short-hand. However it's interesting what the actual proportion of movies is. You Definitely used to be able to search IMDb by aspect ratio, but they have removed this feature.

However, a while back when I ran these searches I took the liberty of keeping the results

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Common aspect ratios  IMDb stats (http://uk.imdb.com/Sections/DVDs/AspectRatios/)
                                
10:9 is 1.11:1 |       |
11:9 is 1.22:1 |       |
4 :3 is 1.33:1 | 11395 | 50.7%
        1.37:1 |     8 |  0.0%
13:9 is 1.44:1 |     3 |  0.0%
14:9 is 1.56:1 |     6 |  0.0%
15:9 is 1.66:1 |   628 |  2.8%
        1.75:1 |    21 |  0.1%
16:9 is 1.78:1 |   848 |  3.8%
        1.85:1 |  6408 | 28.5%
17:9 is 1.89:1 |     1 |  0.0%
        2.20:1 |    53 |  0.2%
20:9 is 2.22:1 |     6 |  
21:9 is 2.33:1 |     5 |  0.0%
        2.35:1 |  2995 | 13.3%
22:9 is 2.44:1 |   103 |  0.5%
                                
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NB obviously this is DVDs so contains a lot of TV series at the time, hence the large number of 4:3 titles.

I think it's very sad when a feature is needlessly and ruthlessly removed. It's so unnecessary and seems spiteful. Before I dug my figures out I was trying to find it again on the IMDb, and I found posts on their forums with people asking about it, and others replying as if it had never been there, and suggesting it was put forward for consideration! It used to be there!
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MrT, I've gotten into the habit of having Tim Burton's 1.85:1 'Sleepy Hollow' play on an all day loop for Halloween.

Can't wait to see it on the K8000 this year.
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hi All,
i recently purchased this samsung player and i can't seem to make it work smoothly with my jvc x550r projector. I popped in the Revenant bluray and the sound is choppy, the picture goes in and out, etc. After reading a few pages, on this long thread, i wanted to get clarification as to whether this player still has these issues or have they been address? i tried everything last night and it is just a very disappointing experience to say the least because i can't even watch my first movie yet.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. thanks !
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hi All,
i recently purchased this samsung player and i can't seem to make it work smoothly with my jvc x550r projector. I popped in the Revenant bluray and the sound is choppy, the picture goes in and out, etc. After reading a few pages, on this long thread, i wanted to get clarification as to whether this player still has these issues or have they been address? i tried everything last night and it is just a very disappointing experience to say the least because i can't even watch my first movie yet.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. thanks !
"These issues" have only been experienced by those who have HDMI cables that can't handle the demands of the higher data rates possible with an HDMI 2.0a signal; you must use "Certified Premium" HMDI cables to guarantee you will be able to handle anything current players can output. I ended up with these and have had no such issues, but they're only available through 20' lengths. Here's an article, where @Dave Vaughn tested some other options if you require longer than that.
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hi All,
i recently purchased this samsung player and i can't seem to make it work smoothly with my jvc x550r projector. I popped in the Revenant bluray and the sound is choppy, the picture goes in and out, etc. After reading a few pages, on this long thread, i wanted to get clarification as to whether this player still has these issues or have they been address? i tried everything last night and it is just a very disappointing experience to say the least because i can't even watch my first movie yet.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. thanks !
Are you having problems with a blu-ray disk or with a UHD blu-ray disk?
what about streaming apps like netflix or amazon prime?

I don't know what you mean by still has these issues because the player works well for most with few issues.

Most problems relate to bad disks, poor cables or trouble setting up ARC.

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Are you having problems with a blu-ray disk or with a UHD blu-ray disk?
what about streaming apps like netflix or amazon prime?

I don't know what you mean by still has these issues because the player works well for most with few issues.

Most problems relate to bad disks, poor cables or trouble setting up ARC.
i was having problems with a specific bluray. the image was jittery and the sound was skipping. i did a hard reset on the player and it now functions fine with the exception of the apps such as amazon, youtube, netflix. The screen goes black once a video starts streaming. I am guessing it is a cable issue so i have ordered a cable from the ones mentioned above.
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The K8500 only supports HDR10 correct? Any word that it will receive an update for Dolby Vision HDR?
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The K8500 only supports HDR10 correct? Any word that it will receive an update for Dolby Vision HDR?
This model doesn't have the hardware necessary to decode Dolby Vision, so it cannot be updated.
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The K8500 only supports HDR10 correct? Any word that it will receive an update for Dolby Vision HDR?
This model doesn't have the hardware necessary to decode Dolby Vision, so it cannot be updated.
Well that sucks. I hate all these format wars!!!
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It's not a format war. DV is an alternative to HDR10, and all DV titles on disc are required to be backwards-compatible with HDR10. What you're complaining about is the price that is usually paid when you're an early adopter. Samsung chose to release the K8500 before DV hardware was readily available, so they didn't incorporate it into the player. It was more important to them to get the K8500 out in the marketplace when they did than wait for DV.

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And just to add to what everyone else is saying, most of the time the questions asked on AVS Forum can be answered with a quick Google search. A search for "UBD-K8500 Dolby Vision" returns the following article...

Samsung UBD-K8500 vs Philips BDP7501 vs Xbox One S

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The only HDR format that is supported is HDR10, meaning neither one of the three supports Dolby Vision, nor it’s possible to add suport via a firmware update in the future due to the fact Dolby Vision requires a special chip to be present on-board
And another search for "Oppo Dolby Vision" reveals that Samsung is not the only game in town...

Oppo UDP-203 Ultra HD Blu-ray Player Review: The Return Of The King

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In fact, the 203’s processing brain is so open-ended that it’s going to allow Oppo’s deck to become the first to support the Dolby Vision HDR format, following a firmware update due in March.
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I believe that the only player available for purchase at this time with Dolby Vision SoC is the Oppo UDP-203, and the feature won't be available until they turn it on with a firmware update sometime this year. Its' also important to remember that your DISPLAY, along with your UHD player, must support Dolby Vision in order for DV discs (still vaporware) to work.
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i was having problems with a specific bluray. the image was jittery and the sound was skipping. i did a hard reset on the player and it now functions fine with the exception of the apps such as amazon, youtube, netflix. The screen goes black once a video starts streaming. I am guessing it is a cable issue so i have ordered a cable from the ones mentioned above.
Exactly what I found when I first tried some brand-new, 10' Amazon Basic High-Speed HDMI cables; they worked great for 4K/24 (UHD Blu-ray disks, most, if not all 4K Netflix and Amazon shows and movies), and even had no problems displaying the Home screen, but once I tried to watch some 4K/60 (rather, 1080p/60 from Netflix that automatically gets upscaled to 4k/60 by the player, unless you explicitly set Resolution to 1080p), I started to get an occasional black screen. So, I did a little research, and found that only certified "Premium" HDMI cables will guarantee no issues with current HDMI standards.

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Has anyone had an issue outputting a 2160 signal from the Samsung UBD-K8500 through a 20' 2.0a HDMI cable? Connected it directly to a JVC DLA-X550R projector with a Maestro 2.0a HDMI cable, no luck. Connected the player to a 4k LED TV with a 6' cable and it works. Set the player to 1080 and brought it back to the projector and it worked. With the player menu displaying on the projector screen I set it the player back to 2160 and got 10 seconds of black screen and then resets back to 1080p. Feel like I've gone back in time to the early days of HDMI!
An installer told me I may have to use an HDMI extender over fiber, hope not.
This is how i fixed this.
With the UBD-8500 set to output 1080p I went through every setting one by one then tried 2160p. No success until...

Changed to an Ultralink HDMI cable rated at 27Gbs and changed "HDMI color format" to YCbCr(4:4:4) .
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I believe that the only player available for purchase at this time with Dolby Vision SoC is the Oppo UDP-203, and the feature won't be available until they turn it on with a firmware update sometime this year. Its' also important to remember that your DISPLAY, along with your UHD player, must support Dolby Vision in order for DV discs (still vaporware) to work.
Absolutely. And had Samsung waited, it would have been an entire year late!
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Absolutely. And had Samsung waited, it would have been an entire year late!
Yes, I've been able to enjoy my Samsung K8500 for close to a year now. I got it the week of February 8th, 2016. I'm glad I didn't wait.
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Hi guys. I just bought the 8500. Do the apps such as Neflix and Amazon still not support HDR? Thanks.
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Hi guys. I just bought the 8500. Do the apps such as Neflix and Amazon still not support HDR? Thanks.
Amazon yes HDR support
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Thanks for the quick answer! I appreciate it. I've confirmed what you said - so I know my 8500 is working as it should. Thanks again.
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Anybody having issues with the Amazon apps HDR not working tonight. Trying to watch Sneaky Pete and it will only go up to 1080P no HDR. Watched a couple episodes last night no problem. Even tried other show, Grand Tour and MITJ same results.


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Amazon HDR is not working for me either..Not from this player or from my Roku ultra..
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