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Simple UHD question

Chatted a bit about this on General HT Fotum, but wanted your input.
If I have any UHD BRD player outputting HDMI 2.0a signal, FROM a UHD Dolby Vision disc, pass through a HDMI 2.0a AVR(Denon 4300), to a Dolby Vision TV(Vizio P75), does the player itself need to "support Dolby Vision", or is the player retrieving all the necessary data off the disc and the TV does the processing?
If the player does need to support it, then I have Oppo, LG and Phillips to choose from. If not, then any UHD player.
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Chatted a bit about this on General HT Fotum, but wanted your input.
If I have any UHD BRD player outputting HDMI 2.0a signal, FROM a UHD Dolby Vision disc, pass through a HDMI 2.0a AVR(Denon 4300), to a Dolby Vision TV(Vizio P75), does the player itself need to "support Dolby Vision", or is the player retrieving all the necessary data off the disc and the TV does the processing?
If the player does need to support it, then I have Oppo, LG and Phillips to choose from. If not, then any UHD player.
Thx!
The player needs to support DV. The AVR or pre-pro needs to support DV from both a hardware and software/firmware standpoint. Hardware = HDMI 2.0a input boards, although I heard Dolby is looking into working with HDMI 1.4 hardware as well. Software/firmware = each AVR/pre-pro manufacturer needs to allow you to download and update your AVR/pre-pro to have software/firmware to allow DV passthrough. Of course, your display whether it'd be a TV or a projector (although I don't know any residential projector supporting DV at the moment, only the Christie projector at the Dolby Cinema commercial theaters at AMC) needs to support DV. And of course, you need competent HDMI high speed category 2 cables.
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Chatted a bit about this on General HT Fotum, but wanted your input.
If I have any UHD BRD player outputting HDMI 2.0a signal, FROM a UHD Dolby Vision disc, pass through a HDMI 2.0a AVR(Denon 4300), to a Dolby Vision TV(Vizio P75), does the player itself need to "support Dolby Vision", or is the player retrieving all the necessary data off the disc and the TV does the processing?
If the player does need to support it, then I have Oppo, LG and Phillips to choose from. If not, then any UHD player.
Thx!
Yes, the player needs to support Dolby Vision. The three players you mention are the only three that have announced DV support so far.

When DV comes out on disc, it is a two layer system. The base layer will be HDR10 that any UHD player will be able to read. But a special DV player is needed to add the Dolby enhancement layer to the base layer in order to output the full 12 bit DV signal. Then the display reads the DV signal and processes the dynamic DV metadata. So both the player and the display are actively working to give you DV.
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Do not trust WhatHifi.

Panasonic product pages make it seem like the UB300 & 400 has the HCX processor where last year's 700 and 900 don't. So it may actually be better? Or at least more future proofed.

According to this web site the UB400 has the same processor as the UB900. However it does say the UB900 has the "Edge Adaptive Chroma Processing" where as the UB400 does not. Wondering what difference that will make?

"Panasonic announced at CES 2017 in Las Vegas the arrival of three new Ultra HD Blu-ray players , which will complement the current range consists of the top DMP-UB900 range and the DMP-UB700. Although cheaper , the new DMP-UB400, DMP-UB310 and DMP-UB300 share the same HCX processor older brothers, including upscaling to 4K Ultra HD " 4K Direct chroma upscaling " compression color 4: 4: 4 / 36-bit up to 60 frames per second. As for the UB700, the new UB400, UB310 and UB300 lack the feature "Edge Adaptive Chroma Processing", exclusive of the top UB900 range."

Web site that has above = https://tech4u.it/17261-panasonic-dm...ra-hd-blu-ray/
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According to this web site the UB400 has the same processor as the UB900. However it does say the UB900 has the "Edge Adaptive Chroma Processing" where as the UB400 does not. Wondering what difference that will make?

"Panasonic announced at CES 2017 in Las Vegas the arrival of three new Ultra HD Blu-ray players , which will complement the current range consists of the top DMP-UB900 range and the DMP-UB700. Although cheaper , the new DMP-UB400, DMP-UB310 and DMP-UB300 share the same HCX processor older brothers, including upscaling to 4K Ultra HD " 4K Direct chroma upscaling " compression color 4: 4: 4 / 36-bit up to 60 frames per second. As for the UB700, the new UB400, UB310 and UB300 lack the feature "Edge Adaptive Chroma Processing", exclusive of the top UB900 range."

Web site that has above = https://tech4u.it/17261-panasonic-dm...ra-hd-blu-ray/
Ok so it is missing that. I have a hard time telling the difference between 4:2:0 and 4:2:2 on regular content so I don't think I'll miss it too much.
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Need your help and suggestions...
Im looking for a 4K bluray player with the following capabilities:
-Very Good HDR to SDR conversion (I only have a Sony vw500es which is non-hdr)
-Could bitstream Dolby Atmos and DTS:X (basically HD Audio) when playing 4K MKV files through the USB port
-Could read 4TB poratble HDDs through the USB port

Thanks in advance
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Ultra BD upgrade

As the proud owner of a 65" Sony XBR 900e I'm thinking I'm not doing it any justice with my std BD player so I may need a new fangled Ultra BD player. Is now the time to dump my DMP 80-BD for a Panasonic - DMP-UB900? Seems the Panny gets excellent reviews.

I don't own any ultra content, but from what I understand the player will upscale to match the resolution of my new display?

On the flip side, I have gotten by without fro so long that a bit longer is no big deal.
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As the proud owner of a 65" Sony XBR 900e I'm thinking I'm not doing it any justice with my std BD player so I may need a new fangled Ultra BD player. Is now the time to dump my DMP 80-BD for a Panasonic - DMP-UB900? Seems the Panny gets excellent reviews.

I don't own any ultra content, but from what I understand the player will upscale to match the resolution of my new display?

On the flip side, I have gotten by without fro so long that a bit longer is no big deal.
You do not need to buy a UHD player since your display will automatically upscale to 4k resolution (you don't need a player to do that). The reason to get a new UHD player is to play 4k discs.
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You do not need to buy a UHD player since your display will automatically upscale to 4k resolution (you don't need a player to do that). The reason to get a new UHD player is to play 4k discs.
Good to know thanks
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As the proud owner of a 65" Sony XBR 900e I'm thinking I'm not doing it any justice with my std BD player so I may need a new fangled Ultra BD player. Is now the time to dump my DMP 80-BD for a Panasonic - DMP-UB900? Seems the Panny gets excellent reviews.

I don't own any ultra content, but from what I understand the player will upscale to match the resolution of my new display?

On the flip side, I have gotten by without fro so long that a bit longer is no big deal.
I have a 900E also...Found a sammy K8500 really cheap so i got it. I did a comparison with a standard DVD of Gladiator on my PS3 and the 4K sammy and there was a very noticeable difference. I was surprised how well the DVD looked. The Planet earth II UHD discs look stunning on this set, it was worth it just for that alone!
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Can some one plz help me with choice right UHD player?

Whats thats player must do
-quality conversion HDR to SDR (because i have projector EPSON withno HDR)
-bitstream Dolby Atmos and DTS:Xand all HD audio in MKV files through LAN
-DolbyVision?

thanks for your idea
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No one can help? :-)
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Maybe such a combination does not exist?
But I can recommend 2 players the Sony UBP X800 or the Panasonic 900 both top flight players imo, but neither has DV! Maybe the Sony gets it in a future firmware update or not? Since I mentioned the Sony look into the Sony 1000 it's the big brother of the 800! As far as USB I can't tell you I know nothing about that? Those are my picks good luck!
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Maybe such a combination does not exist?
But I can recommend 2 players the Sony UBP X800 or the Panasonic 900 both top flight players imo, but neither has DV! Maybe the Sony gets it in a future firmware update or not? Since I mentioned the Sony look into the Sony 1000 it's the big brother of the 800! As far as USB I can't tell you I know nothing about that? Those are my picks good luck!
I thinks about SONY x800 but there is little problem with MKV container, you cant play in MKV TrueHD/Atmos sound only in m2ts. Then i star think about Panasonic 900/700 or new model LG UP970.
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The LG has the lowest rating so far on Best Buy out of all of the UHD players they sell and on the owners thread a lot of complaints of a really noisy drive. I don't much else about it except it's promised Dolby Vision.
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Does some one use SONY x800 on SDR TV/Projector? I wood like usk for some experience and compare it thats conversion HDR/SDR to Bluray.
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Can some one plz help me with choice right UHD player?

Whats thats player must do
-quality conversion HDR to SDR (because i have projector EPSON withno HDR)
-bitstream Dolby Atmos and DTS:Xand all HD audio in MKV files through LAN
-DolbyVision?

thanks for your idea
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If you're willing to try the Oppos, the 203 might do what you want. It's 600, but will give you the most coverage and include DV as well (when the firmware upgrade comes in).

Here's the thread for it, you might ask some questions there if interested.
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If you're willing to try the Oppos, the 203 might do what you want. It's 600, but will give you the most coverage and include DV as well (when the firmware upgrade comes in).

Here's the thread for it, you might ask some questions there if interested.
I know, but to many write about some bug when you are convert 4k HDR to 2k SDR, yesterday i saw some video where there was some banding at the picture.
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I Know I would go with Panasonic or Sony. Best build and best bang for the bucks....

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I know, but to many write about some bug when you are convert 4k HDR to 2k SDR, yesterday i saw some video where there was some banding at the picture.
I'd ask on the thread what people think.

I guess the only way to see is to try it, if you don't like it, ship it back to them within the 30 day trial period. You're on the hook for shipping it back only.

Oppo has a good reputation for fixing problems quickly (comparatively).

Otherwise, pick another player and if it fits your needs, that's all you'll need to do.
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I'd ask on the thread what people think.

I guess the only way to see is to try it, if you don't like it, ship it back to them within the 30 day trial period. You're on the hook for shipping it back only.

Oppo has a good reputation for fixing problems quickly (comparatively).

Otherwise, pick another player and if it fits your needs, that's all you'll need to do.

I know... but i dont like many changes...
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Oppo is good but expensive... The other brands starts to get a good reputation, at lowered​ prices

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by the way here in Czech thats OPPO cost over 979 USD...
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4K Blu-ray without HDR worth it?

My projector doesn't support 4K
With a new 4K capable projector I wouldn't be running the lamp on high because of the noise
I have read that HDR is the best part of HDR
So would 4K Blu-ray without HDR be worth it?
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I compared the LG970 and Sony x800. I like the Sony picture quality a lot more. On LG the blacks had loads of noise and were too bright. On Sony they are deep and noise free. Color on Sony is better and has better adjustment. The UI of Sony is black, but the UI of LG is white and makes a white flash when you turn it off. I made a video comparison that might help anyone trying to decide between the two:
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Cool video and comparison and thanks I didn't know you can adjust picture settings on the fly on the Sony X800. Ty for confirming the LG is junk compared to the Sony lol. I'm hoping the Sony will get a DV update down the line, but if not I still like Sony and when I get DV tv and discs start to appear ill shop around for another DV player! Also did u ever get your hands on a Panasonic 900. I had one and I thought it was a phenomenal player ! I may repurchase it later if the price goes down.
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Matching OPPO UHD-203 to Denon AVRs

I could argue that this post should go in one of the Denon threads but since the basic question is about choosing 4k BR players I'll start here...

Is the DAC in the OPPO UHD-203 universally superior to the DAC in the Denon AVR line up or is there a tier in the Denon's where it becomes equivalent or better on the Denon side? My Onkyo TX-SR803 has gone and joined the choir invisible and I'm setting my sights on a Denon to replace it. The TV and 4K BR player are next on the upgrade list and to justify consideration of the OPPO I will want to factor in whether the Denon has the appropriate inputs to fully enjoy the audio quality of the OPPO. If the Denon is going to downgrade the audio quality then I can't justify the expense of an OPPO and I'm better of considering a different 4k BR player.

Any suggestions? The UHD-203 is at the top end of my budget FWIW.

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The Denonplayers always have very good Dacs and soundquality.



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I could argue that this post should go in one of the Denon threads but since the basic question is about choosing 4k BR players I'll start here...

Is the DAC in the OPPO UHD-203 universally superior to the DAC in the Denon AVR line up or is there a tier in the Denon's where it becomes equivalent or better on the Denon side? My Onkyo TX-SR803 has gone and joined the choir invisible and I'm setting my sights on a Denon to replace it. The TV and 4K BR player are next on the upgrade list and to justify consideration of the OPPO I will want to factor in whether the Denon has the appropriate inputs to fully enjoy the audio quality of the OPPO. If the Denon is going to downgrade the audio quality then I can't justify the expense of an OPPO and I'm better of considering a different 4k BR player.

Any suggestions? The UHD-203 is at the top end of my budget FWIW.
It depends on the Denon AVR you pick. The new top of the line Denons have a Denon - designed chip that is well reviewed, so it may work better than the Oppo's well reviewed AKM DAC's.

It's not an either or in that you can set the AVR not to apply its DACs and use the Oppos strictly. It's a compromise, since in that case, important features of an AVR like room correction and configuration of speakers are bypassed.

It also depends on whether you want to use HDMI (in which case the Oppo's DACs are bypassed) to the AVR or analog connections (in which the AVR's DACs are bypassed) to the AVR.

I've got two Oppos with Pioneer Elite AVRs and have tried both ways (analog out or HDMI). They sounded great in both analog and HDMI, but I settled on HDMI for convenience's sake and because any ground I lost in having lesser DACs was made up (in my mind) by the improvement in sound from room correction and management of sound by the AVR.

The impact from the Oppos to me are the clean delivery of video and analog signal and allowing me to have high end sound sources, like SACD, DVD-Audio, bluray sources and all sorts of network file sources (MKV, FLAC, ALAC, DSD, etc... )

I imagine that the Denons do a good job of handling the DA conversion, but you would have to test to be sure. If it's a question you want answered, buy a 203, test it during the return period and return it if it's not to your liking.
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