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post #1 of 29 Old 09-15-2016, 12:31 PM - Thread Starter
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Official Sony UBP-X1000ES and UBP-X800 Ultra HD Blu-ray Player Anticipation Thread


What we know so far:

  • Revealed at CEDIA on September 14, 2016 expected in the Spring 2017;
  • Reportedly to be marketed as an ultra high-end device designed for the custom installation market;
  • Application for certification by Control4, Crestron, and Savant are likely pending;
  • Connectivity options to include IP Control over CAT 5 cable or Wi-Fi, RS232C two-way control, and IR-In;
  • Web browser interface option;
  • ‘Ihiji’ support (a cloud-based network management solution custom installers use to provide remote maintenance);
  • Optical disc formats supported will include Ultra HD Blu-ray, Blu-ray (including 3D titles), DVD Video, DVD Audio, SACD, and BD-ROM;
  • A proprietary picture processing algorithm;
  • Support for Dolby Atmos and DTS:X;
  • 32-bit DAC compatible supportive of native DSD and LPCM Hi-Res Music file formats;
  • A ‘Frame and Beam’ chassis with a honeycomb top plate, soldered fin heat sink and offset insulator feet;
  • Dual HDMI outputs made with evaporated gold with available separate audio and video signal paths
  • Two-channel analog and coaxial digital outputs made with evaporated gold

Source: Forbes
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Rumor has it that this unit will be very pricy. Any rumors of a more entry-level model?
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Nothing yet but they MUST be planning on at least one entry level UHD player. This thing seems to me to be Sony's answer to Oppo.
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Is there a technical advantage of having dual HDMI as opposed to one for both A/V or more for convenience?

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No Dolby Vision kills it for me, does not surprise me because the 9ZD des not gab Dobly Vision either. I am going to hold out and see if Denon, Marantz or Pioneer are going to launch something high end. Currently I have a Denon Dvd3800BDCi and I have no complaints. Just got a LG E6 and am getting a Marantz 8802 or 7703 processor so I can get into Atmos and DTSX.
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Is there a technical advantage of having dual HDMI as opposed to one for both A/V or more for convenience?
It is advantageous, in certain circumstances. Back when 3D had just come out, the premium players had dual outputs to allow separate A/V feeds for those who didn't have the latest HDMI on their receiver, but who did have new 3D HDTVs and of course, it's useful for those who need separate connections to their projector or display, for quality purposes.
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Is there a date for this player yet?
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Is there a date for this player yet?
Still no but in the meantime the company has announced the UBP-X800. In addition to 4K UHD Blu-ray, this article states it will stream in 4K from services like Netflix, and supports HDR or high dynamic range content. the X800 will also work with Blu-ray 3D, DVD, and CD, and has a USB port for other digital content. In terms of audio specs, it supports playback up to 192kHz/24-bit and DSD 11.2MHz1. It also has integrated Bluetooth to work with wireless headphones. The article doesn't state whether the X800 will support Dolby Vision (if you care). Unfortunately, too little too late for me. I moved on and purchased the new Oppo and couldn't be happier.
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Rumor has it that this unit will be very pricy.

I tend to doubt that. I predict $399 ($499 at most).


Yes, it would nice be if they offered and entry level model without all the bells and whistles like 2 channel analog out, etc.
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If the rumors are true and it really is intended "to be marketed as an ultra high-end device designed for the custom installation market", I expect it'll definitely cost more than $499.
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If the rumors are true and it really is intended "to be marketed as an ultra high-end device designed for the custom installation market", I expect it'll definitely cost more than $499.

Dual HDMI outputs made with evaporated gold with available separate audio and video signal paths
Two-channel analog and coaxial digital outputs made with evaporated gold


You bet your bippy it'll be more than $499 once they start with the 'evaporated gold' marketing.
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March/April release for both, 399 for the 800 and 799 for the 1000es
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The listed specs appear to include HDR stripping to SDR Rec2020. Has anyone confirmed this?
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The X800 is already up on Sony's website, surely a good sign.

http://www.sony.com/electronics/blu-...ayers/ubp-x800

With the debacle of the Oppo launch, I bet Sony is itching to get these players out, (as soon as they can do it without a beta firmware disaster).
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The X800 is already up on Sony's website, surely a good sign.

http://www.sony.com/electronics/blu-...ayers/ubp-x800

With the debacle of the Oppo launch, I bet Sony is itching to get these players out, (as soon as they can do it without a beta firmware disaster).
Debacle? For some, maybe. Particularly users engaging the HDR stipping feature for legacy displays and projectors. However, the majority of owners, including myself, have had a fairly uneventful experience with the UDP-203. Aside from intermittent stuttering while viewing 3-D disks, it's been nothing less than glorious for me. Besides, no company offering a universal disk player in the midst of unsettled technology (4K) fraught with multiple combinations of equipment environments, HDMI 2.0, and HDCP 2.2 handshaking, is as skilled and recognized for their customer service including frequency of firmware update rollouts. Sony is nowhere close to Oppo.
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I'm still waiting to "see" the actual image from the Sony's, could care less about the bells and whistles that I'll never use. I'm focused on video quality....that comes first in my systems....and in that regard the Panny already beats the Oppo 203 IMO, so I'm curious if the Sony will as well. (I own the Panny and 203, did extensive back and forth viewing with BR, BR-3D, UHD SDR and HDR, upscaling, and it wasn't difficult (IMO) to see the Panny produced the better video in every area tested with exception to UHD SDR where they were close, but the nod still goes to the Panny. Don't know if future updates from Oppo can improve their image.)

I'm not bashing the 203, I've owned just about every model release over the years, I still have it, may keep it for a smaller display, but at this point the Panny is providing the image to my theater. I'll wait to see what the Sony's contribute.



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I own the 103 (and am very happy with it). and presently have 3 bluray players in my rack. My 203 still remains unopened in its box. I love tech, and it takes a lot for me to stare at a box and not open it. Yes, I know about the trial period, but don't want to bother with it unless things improve.

I have read every post in the 203 thread and the Panny vs 203 comparison thread. At this point, as much as I want to keep the 203, I am concerned with the video and audio drop outs, as well as the numerous reports of a softer picture than the Panny. I also wonder if there is a drive defect that is clouded by the early firmware problems. Been there done that with a $1,800 Samsung DVD player.

I still may keep the 203, but only if a new firmware comes out in the next few weeks solving the above problems. I do need the working HDR stripping feature, unless the Sony has it, I will need to buy a Lumagen, as I would rather not go the Fury route.

A very much agree with JlgLaw, features I will likely not use are far behind picture quality in priority. Two additional features I will use on the Sony are its streaming features, which are done very well on the bluray player discussed above, and it's Control4 two way compatibility. Dolby Vision will only be useful to me if the 5000es, someday gets a hardware upgrade for it, which I would think is not likely. If anything, it would get an HDR with Dynamic Metadata upgrade.

My brother has the Sony high end Bluray player that looks very much like these 4k players and shares some of the tech. It is a phenomenal player, and didn't have one glitch.

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Is it listed what the differences are between the X800 and X1000 to justify the increased cost?


Since I am upgrading to a 4K pj , I'd be willing to pay the cost of either of these if they played UHD discs with a UHD pj, as my Oppo103 does with BR, which means it plays without need to fiddle with adjustments depending on whether it's a BR or UHD, strip HDR but retain WCG, etc. If the Sony doesn't perform like that , then, as one contributor has done, he uses his 103 for BR, and his UHD player and Fury Integral for UHD discs, problem solved
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My brother has the Sony high end Bluray player that looks very much like these 4k players and shares some of the tech. It is a phenomenal player, and didn't have one glitch.
What Sony high end Bluray player model is this?

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What Sony high end Bluray player model is this?

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It's the Sony UHP-H1.
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It's the Sony UHP-H1.
Thanks. Good to know that the video is good. I might get one before the 4k ones are released. I'm pretty happy with 1080P.

I had a 203 and was not impressed at all. For it was not a plug and play player so return it.
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I plugged, downloaded FW, and played discs on my 203.

Okay, I did subsequently make a few adjustments in the settings menu but I'd have done that regardless of the brand.
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I really hope Sony releases the X1000 in March. It would also be nice to get official confirmation of the strip HDR feature.

Any updated news on the player?

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I really hope Sony releases the X1000 in March. It would also be nice to get official confirmation of the strip HDR feature.

Any updated news on the player?

It seems the x1000 will only be available to installers at least initially , and the x800 will be the retail version available to the rest of us. The best I could find on release date was ' Spring', which is pretty close now, March 20, 6:29 A.M. EDT to be exact ! It would be all fine by me if they are holding out to have a plug and play model rather than plug, play, stop, dig into menus, fiddle, fiddle, play..not quite, search this forum for advice, fiddle some more.... Good thing BR and UHD don't wear out from repeated play and replay.
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A Sony rep discusses the X1000es at CEDIA. Some good info here.

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UBP-X1000ES vs UBP-X800

I'm really anxious for Sony to also release more details on the UBP-X1000ES unit in order to see if there is any reason to consider the 1000 over the 800. I really don't need the automation and rack mount capabilities which the 1000 will have but I would be interested if there are any "real" reasons to pay more for the 1000. I can typically get fairly deep discounts on the ES units thorough a source I have but the Sony "consumer" versions are pretty much full retail (although sill typically lower cost than the equivalent ES units)

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