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Having owned two Samsung's, previous Oppo's, and going to buy a 203, here is my 1.5 cents on what you gain:
  • Analog Outs
  • Ability for advanced settings like stripping HDR, etc...
  • Using as a 4K scaler
  • Build Quality and warranty support
  • Knowing they will continue to properly support via FW for years
  • Knowing the video output is reference (IMO, the Samsung has both a red smear and red push, neither of which is a deal breaker IMO considering cost). The samsung also has undefeatable noise reduction.

Weigh those out for yourself and decide. We also don't know if the Oppo will come out of the box perfect either, best if you are on the fence to monitor the owners thread for a few weeks.
How long do they support their products with FW updates? I am done buying samsung bluray players because I have some new blurays that don't work on my samsung player because they stopped updating firmware after 2 years of ownership. If oppo continues to update their FW for years after release, then I am in for one on day 1.
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How long do they support their products with FW updates? I am done buying samsung bluray players because I have some new blurays that don't work on my samsung player because they stopped updating firmware after 2 years of ownership. If oppo continues to update their FW for years after release, then I am in for one on day 1.
The BDP-103 was launched in 2012. The most recent firmware update was from September of this year.

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How long do they support their products with FW updates? I am done buying samsung bluray players because I have some new blurays that don't work on my samsung player because they stopped updating firmware after 2 years of ownership. If oppo continues to update their FW for years after release, then I am in for one on day 1.

Well, the 103 came out in late 2012, and it had a Sept 16 SW update IIRC.
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Support and service seems to be the highlight of this company . I never owned one but service and support always wins over price
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Can I be a regular and Oppo snob here?

I have had 3 Oppo's so far. They come packaged in a way that makes you feel comfortable and having purchased value before you even turn it on.

I have called support 3 times. Perfect support. Once to diagnose a problem, which was fixed after the next call and feedback. The last was Oppo diagnosing my using an ARC HDMI. (Don't).

My resale on an 83 was instantaneous (nearly) and 50% of cost after 3 years. It gets respect (I saved the packaging).

Lots of features, I only use a few. That will drive your particular value.

Now for regular snob. We are not talking a lot of money for most any us - $200 vs $600 for example. Seriously, if the baby is not going to eat, don't buy the Oppo, wait until you are okay with the cost. For me, Oppo came along later in my career, never has cost been the factor, the quality has. No, I don't buy Marantz (edit, I meant Macintosh) - I am not that much of a snob. Or rich. But buying Oppo is a no brainer.
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To be honest, if you are just wanting to watch DVD, 1080p/24 blu and 4k/24 UHD HDR, just get the samsung or philips and save your $$$.
Unless you want to watch Dolby Vision UHD BDs (which allegedly will materialize in 2017), in which case the 203 is your only option. Allegedly.
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How long do they support their products with FW updates? I am done buying samsung bluray players because I have some new blurays that don't work on my samsung player because they stopped updating firmware after 2 years of ownership. If oppo continues to update their FW for years after release, then I am in for one on day 1.
If you do not own an OPPO DVD player, then I recommend you get the 203. OPPOS are aesthetically beautiful, their mechanical functions are buttery, support is wonderful and their flexibility is on par with players costing "thousands" more. On the subject of the Samsungs, I own the second Samsung, model, Blue Ray player ever produced (I have #4 home theaters systems set up in my home). It still plays everything I have ever thrown at it. So I do not know why yours does not play some disks. The Samsung UBD K8500 that I own is very ugly. The remote control stopped working 1 month after I bought the deck, however it is so nearly useless that I did not bother replacing it with the warranty, I just use another remote I happen to own. The mechanical working of the tray is ordinary, not bad, but unremarkable. The interface, although not exceptional, is not bad. The Picture quality in SD is comparable to my OPPO 103, Blue Ray performance is identical to the OPPO(monitor Samsung KS65 8000). And of course streaming Netflix and , most importantly, 4K HDR DVD's look amazing, don't see any color push or artifacts at all. I have a Yamaha RX-V3900 receiver on that particular system , so I use a separate audio HDMI output from the video one. The deck itself has worked flawlessly, (with the previous caveats), ever since I bought it. Bottom line, if you have not experienced an OPPO player, I recommend you do. However if you already have one the decision to go to the 203 , is harder to make.

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Although not promised at the release I assume ap "surprises" will pop up as time passes. The usual suspects, such as Netflix, Pandora, etc. Bob, or someone, will post on the owners thread about a firmware update, or Oppo will send you an email, and some new goodies will be added. That's their history.

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Unless you want to watch Dolby Vision UHD BDs (which allegedly will materialize in 2017), in which case the 203 is your only option. Allegedly.
Or the 205. Allegedly.
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When playing 1080p blu rays, is the scaler in the 203 likely to be better than the one in the TV (LG B6)?
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When playing 1080p blu rays, is the scaler in the 203 likely to be better than the one in the TV (LG B6)?
If you have a 1080p blu test disc like spears and munsil, play it with the Oppo both outputting 1080p or native, and with it outputting 2160p, and see how the test patterns shape up. You may or may not see differences in chroma and luma, etc...
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Unless you want to watch Dolby Vision UHD BDs (which allegedly will materialize in 2017), in which case the 203 is your only option. Allegedly.
I think my LG OLED will take care of Dolby Vision UHD BDs.
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It includes a UHD player? Mine doesn't.

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As release of this player gets closer, I'm having second thoughts about buying it vs some competitors (e.g. the Philips unit). Especially if it is going for $599 instead of the $499 that has been spoken of/hoped for. I know it's only $100 difference, but it did get my attention, and lead me to re-examine my plans.

My gear is all HDCP 2.2 HDMI 2.0a compatible:

Marantz SR7010
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7.1.4 Dolby/Atmos Audio all fed directly from my Marantz receiver, so the pre-outs of the Oppo would be irrelevant for me.
Roku Premiere+, which while a little buggy at the moment, does provide access to UHD/HDR from Amazon and Netflix (also YouTube, but I watch little of that). So I wouldn't need streaming from the Oppo, even if/when it is added down the road.

I had been planning all along on the Oppo, especially if it has on release, or not too long afterwards, the ability to provide 4k/BT2020 SDR, which would be good to have as an option.

The Dolby Vision option is interesting, but given all the unknowns (how effective the implementation would be for JVC Projectors, when discs will be available, how long before widespread content is available, how much improvement/difference it would provide vs HDR10, etc.), I'm not sure this will enter into my decision making process.

Resale value is not that much of an issue for me, as I tend to hold onto gear, passing it on to kids, other rooms, etc.

So I find myself asking whether it is worth paying $599 for the Oppo vs for example the Philips unit, now on sale at BB for $230. Even if I end up wanting the Fury Integral, the total price would be $480, even without any sale on the Fury. And I could have the Philips now.

Build quality, firmware updates, customer support are important factors, but while I know it is ultimately a personal choice, and unanswerable, I am asking myself if it is worth spending that much more for the Oppo vs the Philips. The Panasonic is well thought of, but currently at $699, that's an even less cost effective choice.

I understand there are no 'right or wrong' answers here, but I would appreciate others thoughts on the dilemma here. Without a test unit to assess actual picture quality, this decision is even more difficult. I need objective data to support claims of picture superiority of any one unit vs another, as subjective reports are just that - subjective, and therefore readily influenced by a wide variety of typically unconscious biases.

Thoughts?
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It includes a UHD player? Mine doesn't.

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Maybe I'm missing something? but I merely suggest that it handles both HDR10 and DV
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Maybe I'm missing something? but I merely suggest that it handles both HDR10 and DV
You said it would take care of the Dolby Vision discs. I just wanted to remind people that you need a Dolby Vision player for that.

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I understand there are no 'right or wrong' answers here, but I would appreciate others thoughts on the dilemma here. Without a test unit to assess actual picture quality, this decision is even more difficult. I need objective data to support claims of picture superiority of any one unit vs another, as subjective reports are just that - subjective, and therefore readily influenced by a wide variety of typically unconscious biases.

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Kind of in the same boat, but I mostly would buy the Oppo. Like you all my gear are 4K/HDR10/HDCP2.2/HDMI2.0a compatible with a good Atmos/Dts:x setup. I waited so long for a 4K BD player for few players to appear in the market rather than buying the first Samsung.

Comparing Oppo with others

A chance of DV in future - 75% bought
SACD - 80% bought
An all in one Disc player - 85% bought
Build Quality - 90% bought
Customer support - 95% bought

The last thing is some credible review about PQ. I am not expecting a leap, but if it turns out to be real reference quality, a tad bit above others, no color smearing or other issues etc - 100% bought.
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The last thing is some credible review about PQ. I am not expecting a leap, but if it turns out to be real reference quality, a tad bit above others, no color smearing or other issues etc - 100% bought.
I look at OPPO like Tom Brady and Bill Belicheck....they have a dynasty relative to their player performance. They know what they are doing and I'd expect nothing but the best from them.
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As release of this player gets closer, I'm having second thoughts about buying it vs some competitors (e.g. the Philips unit). Especially if it is going for $599 instead of the $499 that has been spoken of/hoped for. I know it's only $100 difference, but it did get my attention, and lead me to re-examine my plans.

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I had been planning all along on the Oppo, especially if it has on release, or not too long afterwards, the ability to provide 4k/BT2020 SDR, which would be good to have as an option.

The Dolby Vision option is interesting, but given all the unknowns (how effective the implementation would be for JVC Projectors, when discs will be available, how long before widespread content is available, how much improvement/difference it would provide vs HDR10, etc.), I'm not sure this will enter into my decision making process.

Resale value is not that much of an issue for me, as I tend to hold onto gear, passing it on to kids, other rooms, etc.

So I find myself asking whether it is worth paying $599 for the Oppo vs for example the Philips unit, now on sale at BB for $230. Even if I end up wanting the Fury Integral, the total price would be $480, even without any sale on the Fury. And I could have the Philips now.

Build quality, firmware updates, customer support are important factors, but while I know it is ultimately a personal choice, and unanswerable, I am asking myself if it is worth spending that much more for the Oppo vs the Philips. The Panasonic is well thought of, but currently at $699, that's an even less cost effective choice.

I understand there are no 'right or wrong' answers here, but I would appreciate others thoughts on the dilemma here. Without a test unit to assess actual picture quality, this decision is even more difficult. I need objective data to support claims of picture superiority of any one unit vs another, as subjective reports are just that - subjective, and therefore readily influenced by a wide variety of typically unconscious biases.

Thoughts?
I've owned two Oppo's now. They are great products. Well made, well thought out… and until now, ahead of the market. Oppo was important to me because of the DAC's. The current modern theater format is Atmos and it no longer provides that solution. Now, it just passes it along, so another device needs to convert it to analog. To me, that's the most important audio feature and it isn't special or cutting edge this time with the most relavent theater audio format.

So what's left... well next on my list of importance is streaming. We don't know if it will do that, but likely not… strike 2.

So it's probably better made but doesn't do the most important things to me. So that leaves it only as a transport. I'll probably just buy whatever's cheapest. I might pay more for one that has a good streaming app.

It's not that the Oppo won't be well made, Its just that it doesn't do anything I care about above and beyond what they all do.

I recently sold my Oppo 105. It brought good money used and that says something. But truthfully the old Sony blue ray player I hooked up in its place is ok. No wonderful DAC'S, but the pictures good, not as good but close.

So when I get a new Tv (looking at the Sony XBR75X940D, but I'm too poor) and having to buy a pre to do the Decoding, (should have next week Marantz 7703) my next purchase will be a 4K transport. Looking forward to Atmos but Oppo probably won't be a part of my system moving forward.
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Looks like we made it through the week. No one has gone mad over this wait. Luckily we are getting so close this coming week we should be getting notifications that UDP-203 is open for business. Just hang on a little more. The hard part is over.
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We are i think two weeks away OPPO will start taking orders (seems like) and i really hope these beta testers can come out now and give us an idea + & - this player have.
I hate to just buy it before knowing anything about the item.
When do you think these guys can come out? Seems like all 203's boxed and ready to ship so what is holding them to talk about it?
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We are i think two weeks away OPPO will start taking orders (seems like) and i really hope these beta testers can come out now and give us an idea + & - this player have.
I hate to just buy it before knowing anything about the item.
When do you think these guys can come out? Seems like all 203's boxed and ready to ship so what is holding them to talk about it?
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Probably the firmware isn't yet bug-free enough to make the player releasable. Oppo doesn't allow the beta testers to talk until the player is ready for sale. C'mon, guys, another week or two of waiting won't kill you. Patience is a virtue and usually gets rewarded.

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I know that, this point why not give them a permission to talk? Are they going to wait until day before starting taking orders?
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I know that, this point why not give them a permission to talk? Are they going to wait until day before starting orders?
Easiest, most reliable source would be OPPO. Try an email.

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LOL. Must be a lot of people here that have never followed an Oppo anticipation thread for previous models.
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When playing 1080p blu rays, is the scaler in the 203 likely to be better than the one in the TV (LG B6)?
As gadgtfreek said, you need to try it using a test disc. There are variables including what TV you have (OK, you told us which one you have) and whether the signal is passing through an AVR, pre-pro, or some other video processing device.

But you said "likely to be better" so the best I can say is this: I've got a 105 and an LG E6. The 105 is several years old now and I really can't pick a difference between having the 105 scale 1080p BDs to 4K or having the LG do it. On the other hand, I can pick a difference between having the 105 scale DVDs to 4k vs having it scale them to 1080p and having the LG upscale from 1080p to 4K. The Oppo looks better to me, though I haven't bothered checking with a test disc. Based on what I see with DVDs, I have the Oppo output everything in 4K. BD is no worse than the E6 could do and DVDs look better with the 105 doing the upscaling to 4K. I'd guess scaling in your B6 is probably the same as in my E6.

The 203 is a new machine with current generation chips and scaling technology. I would expect it to be no worse at upscaling 1080p and DVDs to 4K than the 105 is. If the 203 is better at that than the 105, it may also be better than the E6 but there's no way of telling till we start seeing reviews or get our own sweaty with anticipation hands on one for ourselves.

Whatever, I think the 203 will do a better job than the E6 with DVDs so I will want it to upscale DVDs to 4K. If I set it to do that, then it will also upscale BDs to 4K so my guess is that when I get my hands on a 203 I will just be setting it to scale everything to 4K, just for simplicity if for no other reason.

YMMV.
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This has been on my mind for a while but since we are discussing, am I the only one who paid only $35 for their BD player 10 years ago at BestBuy and its still going strong... so I have a hard time understanding people who can easily justify $400-500 for the Oppo, regardless of it's awesome built quality and additional functionally. I def. agree that the Samsung is decently priced NOW but comparatively its still super lacking as well and deserve no more than $100 but that's just my opinion.
I had a couple of inexpensive BluRay players ten years ago, both of them with 7.1 analog outputs. They took forever to load a BluRay, and neither of them did a very good job in upscaling DVDs. Yes, the quality of their BluRay playback was identical to the Oppo 103 that replaced them. But the Oppo also plays SACDs (I have a bunch of them) and streams audio files in many formats (without any transcoding) over WiFi from my PC in the next room. Although I seldom use them now, the analog outputs provide much better sound than those in the cheaper players. And no BluRay disc takes more than a few seconds to load and play.

I don't have a 4K set or a room large enough to benefit from one, but I know I'd get a good price on the used equipment market if I decided to trade in the 103 for a higher-def player.

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