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Oppo UDP-203 VS UDP-205 as a Video Processor

I would appreciate some advice regarding the capabilities of the Oppo UDP-203 and 205 Ultra 4K Players. My current system consists of an Cox Contour HD cable service; an LG55B6P OLED TV with all HDCP 2.2 ports; a Pioneer Elite SC-97 Receiver with all HDMI ports rated at HDCP 2.2; a Furman Elite-15PFI Power line conditioner and surge protector. I considering the Oppo UDP-203 as both an Ultra 4K player as well as a video processor to further enhance the picture from the Cox STB and running the HDMI video port back to the TV and the audio HDMI out to the Pioneer Receiver. However I keep reading reviews that there seems to be a delay problem between the audio and video when using the Oppo UDP-203 for this purpose.

I read the features of the new Oppo UPD-205 and it states that "The UDP-205 features a high-stability, high-precision HDMI clock and a special HDMI audio jitter reduction circuit. This unique design significantly reduces jitter and eliminates timing errors, allowing you to enjoy your music with increased accuracy when you use the audio-only HDMI output port for connecting the audio signal." This says to me that this new $1300 unit has better capabilities for using that unit as a video processor than the UDP-203. I assume that Oppo will eventually correct this timing problem on the UDP-203. So my question is as follow: (I know that there are no reviews yet on the UDP-205) Does it make sense to spend the extra $750 on the UDP-205 to get a better player for both watching Ultra HD movies and having a superb video processor or just purchase the UDP-203 and hope the fix will be forthcoming for this feature? Is the UDP-205 really worth the extra money? Thanks for any and all responses.
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Congratulations on your purchase! I plan on purchasing one later this summer.

As far as your Mac goes, you should be to simply connect it with a USB cable from your Mac to the Oppo. Are you trying to connect them a different way?

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I know the 205 will be an excellent all-around player, but I am most interested in the headphone amp section and how it compares with the 105.

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Ok, I've read through the thread (especially the last 3-4 pages)...

I'd like to ask a SIMPLE (hahahaha) question, as I am a far more serious MUSIC listener (CDs, SACD, DVD-A, BluRay concerts) than I am anything else. In fact, I do NOT own a 4K TV or 4K AVR.

I own the Oppo 203. I would upgrade immediately if I thought it would improve the sound of my music.

EDIT: My AVR is the Onkyo TX-NR707 7.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver.

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Does anyone think (know) if purchasing the Oppo 205 would enhance my listening experience much (over the 203)?

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Your question is moot unless your Onkyo has an analog bypass. That is, does it run all incoming audio signals through its internal DAC or not?
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SACD Setting to DSD or PCM?

Sometimes a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, so please tell me if I'm overthinking this, but:
As I read the white paper on the improved clocking over HDMI, it seems that the 'magic numbers' that they chose to optimize are multiples of 48/96. Since SACD's are 88.2kHz, will sending them PCM over HDMI cause problems for this clocking?
And does sending them DSD over HDMI bypass this new re-clocking system?

All my CD's and most of my SACD's are stereo and I plan to send them out of the though the 2-ch analog outs, but a few of my SACD's (like Pink Floyd DSOTM) are better in 5.1, so I would like to use HDMI to send them out to my XMC-1. I'm thinking that sending SACD's out as DSD might be better if it does bypass the new re-clocking. But does setting 'SACD OUTPUT' to DSD affect the internal conversion in the 205 for the dedicated analog outs? And if so, for the better or worse?

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I would appreciate some advice regarding the capabilities of the Oppo UDP-203 and 205 Ultra 4K Players. My current system consists of an Cox Contour HD cable service; an LG55B6P OLED TV with all HDCP 2.2 ports; a Pioneer Elite SC-97 Receiver with all HDMI ports rated at HDCP 2.2; a Furman Elite-15PFI Power line conditioner and surge protector. I considering the Oppo UDP-203 as both an Ultra 4K player as well as a video processor to further enhance the picture from the Cox STB and running the HDMI video port back to the TV and the audio HDMI out to the Pioneer Receiver. However I keep reading reviews that there seems to be a delay problem between the audio and video when using the Oppo UDP-203 for this purpose.

I read the features of the new Oppo UPD-205 and it states that "The UDP-205 features a high-stability, high-precision HDMI clock and a special HDMI audio jitter reduction circuit. This unique design significantly reduces jitter and eliminates timing errors, allowing you to enjoy your music with increased accuracy when you use the audio-only HDMI output port for connecting the audio signal." This says to me that this new $1300 unit has better capabilities for using that unit as a video processor than the UDP-203. I assume that Oppo will eventually correct this timing problem on the UDP-203. So my question is as follow: (I know that there are no reviews yet on the UDP-205) Does it make sense to spend the extra $750 on the UDP-205 to get a better player for both watching Ultra HD movies and having a superb video processor or just purchase the UDP-203 and hope the fix will be forthcoming for this feature? Is the UDP-205 really worth the extra money? Thanks for any and all responses.
The issue you've read about on the 203 is a problem with establishing proper sync between audio and video when using the HDMI Input from different source devices and across all the types of supported input formats. OPPO has corrected part of that, but there's still work to be done.

It has nothing to do with the Anti-Jitter circuit which is part of the Audio HDMI output in the 205. I.e., the 205 will have that same A/V Sync problem for content played into its HDMI Input as the 203 until OPPO finishes the bug fix there.

The short answer is that video processing in the 203 and 205 is identical.
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Sometimes a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, so please tell me if I'm overthinking this, but:
As I read the white paper on the improved clocking over HDMI, it seems that the 'magic numbers' that they chose to optimize are multiples of 48/96. Since SACD's are 88.2kHz, will sending them PCM over HDMI cause problems for this clocking?
And does sending them DSD over HDMI bypass this new re-clocking system?

All my CD's and most of my SACD's are stereo and I plan to send them out of the though the 2-ch analog outs, but a few of my SACD's (like Pink Floyd DSOTM) are better in 5.1, so I would like to use HDMI to send them out to my XMC-1. I'm thinking that sending SACD's out as DSD might be better if it does bypass the new re-clocking. But does setting 'SACD OUTPUT' to DSD affect the internal conversion in the 205 for the dedicated analog outs? And if so, for the better or worse?

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The Anti-Jitter circuit for the Audio HDMI output also applies to HDMI DSD output on that socket. My understanding is the math works fine. I.e., there's no need to worry about that.

The SACD Output setting (DSD vs. PCM) applies to both HDMI audio output of DSD content and what's sent to the DACs for conversion to Analog output.
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Thanks, as always Bob.
Any feedback from the Beta's on if either PCM or DSD is the preferred setting?

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Any feedback from the Beta's on if either PCM or DSD is the preferred setting?
Personally I can't hear a difference. I use PCM if I'm testing Speaker Configuration processing for the Analog outs of the 205. (With Analog pass through in my D2v.)

I use DSD if I've got my D2v doing that processing. Still via Analog. (The D2v does not accept DSD over HDMI.)
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Personally I can't hear a difference. I use PCM if I'm testing Speaker Configuration processing for the Analog outs of the 205. (With Analog pass through in my D2v.)

I use DSD if I've got me D2v doing that processing. Still via Analog. (The D2v does not accept DSD over HDMI.)
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Does the new HDMI circuitry of the HDMI (Audio Only) output on 205 have issues with clicking/popping between tracks? I have a 103 and 105D and on some discs (CDs, SACDs and DVD-As) get clicking/popping between tracks when using HDMI to a XMC-1. I'm hoping that the new HDMI circuitry will eliminate that issue.
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Your question is moot unless your Onkyo has an analog bypass. That is, does it run all incoming audio signals through its internal DAC or not?
If you're tying to get the benefit of the two analog out connections/chips (a dedicated 2.0 set and a 7.1 set), you would connect either the dedicated 2.0 or the 7.1 analog outs into an analog in on your receiver.

In the case of the 2.0 output it could get plugged into a CD input, for example, and all receivers have an analog input for that. If you want to use the DAC chipset dedicated to 7.1, you would have to have a pre-in on your receiver. Sadly, the receiver you list does not have a pre-in, so the 7.1 analog out is not an option. For multi-channel audio, you will have to use your HDMI connection into the receiver. It DOES have a pre-in, which passes the signal directly to the amp section of the receiver - I would use this connection for the 2.0 connection most likely.

As for your actual question, I don't really know if you'll hear a difference between the two different DAC chips used in these two models. The 203's chip seems to be pretty capable.

Personally, I am going to keep using my 105d until I get a 4k projector, and that will be a couple of years I think. Rather than the 205, which I really wanted, I will now look to get a DAC that can decode MQA, which I really enjoy so far. I would have ordered the 205 in a heartbeat if it had included MQA support, but I guess that is not to be.

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Hopefully those of you who are waiting for delivery get it a little early, although he gave me no indication that that would be shipping early.
i just ordered mine on wednesday - and found this in my email just 2 minutes ago

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I know the 205 will be an excellent all-around player, but I am most interested in the headphone amp section and how it compares with the 105.
My own question has just been answered in today's press release from Oppo --

"The headphone amplifier is connected directly to the ESS SABRE PRO DAC and offers a unique performance advantage over standalone headphone amplifiers. Comparing to the built-in headphone amplifier in our previous generation BDP-105/105D players, the new design offers more power and higher performance."

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Considering the 205...
There may be a practically virgin 203 FS soon. I've hardly used the 203 other than check-out functionality since the last months I've spent changing my whole system & not finished yet. So it's a little hard to justify swapping so soon

Why so soon after buying a 203 early Dec?

1. I like the idea that the 205 can replace an outboard DSD capable DAC for most of us. The latest W4S DAC with Sabre DAC 9028/9038 is anywhere from ~$2700 to over $4K. I'm sure it has better audio quality but at a big cost differential for a standalone DAC.

2. HDMI anti-jitter feature. I've been hesitant to sell a 4 yr old flagship Pioneer Elite AVR and Elite player because of Pioneer's proprietary PQLS/HDMI reclocking anti-jitter feature. Now those of us still with older Denon-Link or Pioneer PQLS players can be assured there's a non-company specific system out that breaks the tie to those brands.

3. They've made improvements over the 105. Even if I get the 205, I would still keep my 105D for the Darbee processor though.

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I ordered the 205 on Wednesday but decided to cancel the order. I wanted to wait and see how the reviews are especially from those that own(ed) the 105/105D. I'm sure I'll end up buying one but want to be 100% sure that the 205 is an improvement over the 105D.

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i just ordered mine on wednesday - and found this in my email just 2 minutes ago

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Same here. I just got the e-mail from fedex with a Friday 28th delivery & shipping today which is great as I am off work. So I will be home to sign for it. Oppo originally said status backordered to be shipped out the week of April 28...

You might want to edit your post so your personal info isn't in it....
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I ordered the 205 on Wednesday but decided to cancel the order. I wanted to wait and see how the reviews are especially from those that own(ed) the 105/105D. I'm sure I'll end up buying one but want to be 100% sure that the 205 is an improvement over the 105D.

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yeah, I am in same situation. I bought a 105D last yr and early Dec, the 203. I'm tempted anyway to get it over with But the sane part of me says wait a few months, so I'm conflicted. One thing for sure, the 205 wouldn't be obsoleted for awhile, not until HDMI 2.1 hits anyway and even then, how long will it be for 8K TV and higher bandwidth?
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i just ordered mine on wednesday - and found this in my email just 2 minutes ago

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It probably isn't a good idea to post your tracking number, name, and address here.
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He may need to change his identity and move. It's all out there now...
Too bad he didn't include his phone #. I'd give him a call.
Is there a way to report the post to a moderator?? I thought there was a way to report it. Maybe the moderator can remove it.
Bob, do you have an inside track to the moderator? If so please have them edit or delete his post.

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Too bad he didn't include his phone #. I'd give him a call.
Is there a way to report the post to a moderator?? I thought there was a way to report it. Maybe the moderator can remove it.
Bob, do you have an inside track to the moderator? If so please have them edit or delete his post.
There's a little triangle at the bottom left of each post. If you click it, you can report the post. But the poster didn't do anything that warrants reporting his post. It's easy enough for him to click the edit button and remove his personal info.
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There's a little triangle at the bottom left of each post. If you click it, you can report the post. But the poster didn't do anything that warrants reporting his post. It's easy enough for him to click the edit button and remove his personal info.
Seems that he posted all his personal info then off to work. Not a good idea.
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You might want to edit your post so your personal info isn't in it....
If you can find my house -even with a gps - you would be doing 100% better than anyone has ever done - i welcome anyone to try and find my house - I posted my personal info and tracking number so you and others could have something to say about my post. - im going to post my telephone number and a picture of me soon as well.
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