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Official Oppo UDP-205 UHD Blu-ray Player Anticipation Thread

Since Oppo confirms a UDP-205 is coming within "two to three months" it's time to officially kick this off.

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Will there be a UDP-205?

Yes, the UDP-205 will be released in early 2017, around 2-3 months after the UDP-203. Details for this particular model will be available at a later date.
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Oppo's UDP-205 overview URL
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I've been waiting for this thread!

Now, where's that Oppo page for the email sign up?!?
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Where's the unboxing videos?!?
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Still waiting on my 203. But, seriously waiting for the 205!
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Where's the unboxing videos?!?
Should be pretty easy to Photoshop a 203 box to read 205....
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I want the 205 I believe it will be the best CD for the money

Thou we may have to wait for the CES show get some information about the 205


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Looking forward to this one!

Hopefully it has two HDMI inputs and can still be used as a DAC with USB, optical and coax inputs.
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No Netflix is an issue

In my family we have three of the OPPO BDP-10X series players. We've had previous series players as well. The new BDP-203 lacks support for Netflix. That's a real deal killer us. It's true that other devices we own have Netflix support, but come-on. Even many super low cost devices have Netflix (and Amazon) support. OPPO needs to get its act together. To us, the BDP-203 is a .9 release. Hopefully the BDP-205 will be full featured.
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In my family we have three of the OPPO BDP-10X series players. We've had previous series players as well. The new BDP-203 lacks support for Netflix. That's a real deal killer us. It's true that other devices we own have Netflix support, but come-on. Even many super low cost devices have Netflix (and Amazon) support. OPPO needs to get its act together. To us, the BDP-203 is a .9 release. Hopefully the BDP-205 will be full featured.
Oppo being a small company (in terms of how many players they sell compared to the competition) can't force companies like Netflix and Amazon to work with them on making apps available. It's kind of like pushing a string... The bottom line is that we each need to examine the feature set of the devices that are available and buy the one that best fits our needs.
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I can live with Amazon / Netflix not on there since it is a simple solution


I CANNOT live with the HDMI In port not being HDR capable. So do you buy the 203 and expect that to happen / wait until a different port / software is installed or do you have to get the 205?


4K is really being pushed as the most "disc less" solution. To sell a 4k player that cannot handle this properly is either falling behind or a desperate move to push back
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^ Best not to buy it then. That will show them.

OPPO has said they are still the investigating support for HDR on the HDMI Input. They are certainly aware of the interest. But no promises yet.
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In my family we have three of the OPPO BDP-10X series players. We've had previous series players as well. The new BDP-203 lacks support for Netflix. That's a real deal killer us. It's true that other devices we own have Netflix support, but come-on. Even many super low cost devices have Netflix (and Amazon) support. OPPO needs to get its act together. To us, the BDP-203 is a .9 release. Hopefully the BDP-205 will be full featured.
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Does the UDP-203 have any built-in streaming services such as Netflix or VUDU?
In order to provide a premium user experience with quick start-up times and fast response, the UDP-203 is designed with a purist approach in mind for disc and file playback, and so it does not carry internet video and music streaming apps. Instead, an HDMI 2.0 input port that supports UHD resolution is available for users to connect an external streaming device. This approach affords users the flexibility to choose from a wide range of streaming devices and easily upgrade as streaming technologies evolve, while still taking advantage of the UDP-203's audio and video processing capabilities.


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Is the UDP-203's main HDMI output 2.0, 2.0a or 2.0b?
In our documentation, we are not distinguishing the a/b revisions of the HDMI 2.0. We simply use the HDMI 2.0 term to show that the player can output video at the 18Gbps data rate. If we must use a revision number, currently the main HDMI output on the UDP-203 is HDMI 2.0a since the difference between the 2.0a revision and initial 2.0 is the support for HDR, and the player support HDR. When we upgrade the player to support Dolby Vision in the future, the output will become HDMI 2.0b compliant since supporting HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) HDR meta data is the difference between 2.0b and 2.0a. The HDMI input and output are HDCP 2.2 compliant.

Can the UDP-203's HDMI input support 4K?
Yes, the UDP-203's HDMI input is capable of receiving a 4K signal. However, at this stage it is not currently able to accept HDR. There is a possibility that a firmware upgrade may provide this functionality in the future, but there is no tentative date for such an upgrade. If you have a newer streaming device such as a Roku Ultra or Chromecast Ultra that supports 4K with HDR, and you want to view HDR content, it is recommended that you connect these devices to an HDMI input on your display or AV receiver that supports HDR.

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^ Best not to buy it then. That will show them.

OPPO has said they are still the investigating support for HDR on the HDMI Input. They are certainly aware of the interest. But no promises yet.
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I am not big on the "that will show them mentality". I am not buying it since it can't accomplish what I am looking for - when that changes I will buy it. I am OK with confirmation that it will get corrected even if in the future.

I do appreciate the fact that they were clear about it and that they don't make promises they can't keep. Just like it was silent about Dolby Vision until the release and then they confirmed that it will be in future firmware. I appreciate that kind of customer-manufacturer communication vs companies that lie and hide things. Just not willing to compromise on a $549 player. Hopefully it gets figured out in 1st quarter of 2017 and I will stick to the Xbox until it get solved which is a shame


IF they can't get it and the 205 can (I assume it will) then I will have to evaluate the price of the 205 and see if it is worth it - which is why I am now following this thread

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To sell a 4k player that cannot handle this properly is either falling behind or a desperate move to push back
In comparison with all the other UHD players that have HDMI input?

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In comparison with all the other UHD players that have HDMI input?

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In comparison to all the other UHD players that can stream Amazon / Netflix in 4k with HDR


Oppo elected / were forced to not have it built-into their player. Then you can't turn around and say that you shouldn't be compared to the others because they don't have a HDMI IN

If they had the same service as the other players and then in ADDITION an HDMI in with limitations this would be a different discussion
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I know Darbee does not have a 4K solution, but since my Blu-ray collection is 95%+ 1080p I would have paid a few extra bucks for their current solution in a 203D. Maybe by the time the 205 is ready a 205D will also be available, with Darbee for 4K and legacy 1080p material. I hope we don't see a lot of "I want Dirac", and "decode Atmos" posts in this thread trying to turn this player into a pre/pro with added costs.
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I know Darbee does not have a 4K solution, but since my Blu-ray collection is 95%+ 1080p I would have paid a few extra bucks for their current solution in a 203D. Maybe by the time the 205 is ready a 205D will also be available, with Darbee for 4K and legacy 1080p material.
I've gotten the impression that Darbee really isn't close on a 4K solution, so if the 205 is expected in a few months, I suspect it's highly unlikely we'll see a "D" version of the 203 or 205 that soon.

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I hope we don't see a lot of "I want Dirac", and "decode Atmos" posts in this thread trying to turn this player into a pre/pro with added costs.
Agreed, but it's probably best to be prepared to see a lot of those posts...
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Lack of streaming apps, to me is not a big deal. They are built into my TV, and I have a PS4, Xbox 1S, and a Roku. It's actually refreshing to own something so focused on doing one thing. Playing disc based movies.
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While I would prefer Netflix streaming from the 205, for convenience, it's not that big a deal since I have Chromecast. I'm sure everyone has another way to stream Netflix if not offered by Oppo.
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Oppo being a small company can't force companies like Netflix and Amazon to work with them on making apps available. It's kind of like pushing a string... The bottom line is that we each need to examine the feature set of the devices that are available and buy the one that best fits our needs.

Per Wikipedia, OPPO Digital is owned by BBK Electronics which also owns OPPO Electronics. From press releases on the OPPO Electronics website:

Shenzhen, July 18, 2016

OPPO Soars to No. 4 in Global Smartphone Market

You are kidding yourself, if you believe that OPPO isn't backed by enough resources to fund any development desired. The price of the UDP-203 was raised from the previous model, and some of the key features were eliminated.

Even if OPPO were just a standalone small company are they to be given a handicap, as in golf, because they are small? Are we to happily get less for our money because we give them credit for being a little guy?

Of course each of us decides how to best spend our money to meet requirements as well see then. That is obvious, but listing one thing that is true doesn't make other surrounding statements true.
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Per Wikipedia, OPPO Digital is owned by BBK Electronics which also owns OPPO Electronics. From press releases on the OPPO Electronics website:

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OPPO Soars to No. 4 in Global Smartphone Market

You are kidding yourself, if you believe that OPPO isn't backed by enough resources to fund any development desired. The price of the UDP-203 was raised from the previous model, and some of the key features were eliminated.

Even if OPPO were just a standalone small company are they to be given a handicap, as in golf, because they are small? Are we to happily get less for our money because we give them credit for being a little guy?

Of course each of us decides how to best spend our money to meet requirements as well see then. That is obvious, but listing one thing that is true doesn't make other surrounding statements true.
Yes, Oppo Digital is ultimately backed by a large company, but that's not what I meant. The streaming partners, such as Amazon and Netflix, care about how many devices their streaming app will be used on. If Oppo Digital sells 10K players, while Samsung sells 100K players (I don't know the exact ratio...), Amazon and Netflix are going to be a lot more interested in working with Samsung. It's as simple as that. Like I've said before, if Oppo doesn't have the features you want, buy something else that does - nobody should hold that against you. But they cannot force companies like Amazon and Netflix to work with them; there has to be interest in both directions for anything to happen.
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Personally, I have an Amazon fire tv box that can do 4K, for the limited amount of content available, I personally do not care... what I will care about is making that back HDMI port accept HDR, and I hope they do address that with the firmware update down the road.. Personally, I have so many streaming devices in my system, it does not even matter, I bought it to play DISCS, and from what I have read, it does that VERY well.. which is what I wanted out of it, plus it is built like a tank, and plays just about anything you throw at it.
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Yes, Oppo Digital is ultimately backed by a large company, but that's not what I meant(1). The streaming partners, such as Amazon and Netflix, care about how many devices their streaming app will be used on. If Oppo Digital sells 10K players, while Samsung sells 100K players (I don't know the exact ratio...), Amazon and Netflix are going to be a lot more interested in working with Samsung. It's as simple as that. Like I've said before, if Oppo doesn't have the features you want, buy something else that does - nobody should hold that against you (2). But they cannot force companies like Amazon and Netflix to work with them; there has to be interest in both directions for anything to happen.

(1) It is what you specifically said however. It's hard analyze posts which say one thing, but intend to say another.

(2) Who put you in charge of making such determinations? Do you speak for everyone on this forum?

As evidently an OPPO beta tester are you really an objective party here?
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(1) It is what you specifically said however. It's hard analyze posts which say one thing, but intend to say another.
FWIW, I just edited my post to clarify what I meant.

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(2) Who put you in charge of making such determinations? Do you speak for everyone on this forum?
I don't see how a reasonable person can take issue with the statement you bolded in my post.

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As evidently an OPPO beta tester are you really an objective party here?
I'm not keeping my status as a beta tester a secret. If you feel that me being a beta tester disqualifies me from offering an opinion, then feel free to ignore my posts. But consider this: why would I ever suggest that someone should buy something other than an Oppo if I'm not being objective?

The bottom line on apps is that Oppo can't just decide to include them. There's a reason why the word "partner" is often used when apps for services are being discussed as Oppo AND the streaming partner (there's that word) need to work together to make it happen. If the streaming partner (there it is again) isn't interested, it isn't going to happen no matter how interested Oppo is.

Please also realize that I'm not at all against the inclusion of apps. The two I'd most like to see are Amazon and Netflix as I happen to use both and would prefer to be able to use them on the UDP-203 (and hopefully future models as they come along).
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I'm hoping they take the same purist approach and eliminate all apps from the 205.

I want Oppo to concentrate on the player and leave the streaming to TV or other device makers and concentrate on disc playback.

HDMI in on the player? Your TV surely has at least one more HDMI input that you can use for that other device.
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I would connect my Satellite box to the HDMI input to make use of the high quality DAC in the oppo for that source as well.

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