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If this information is true, I am surprised, as I assumed that the adult film industry will lean towards the cheaper HD-DVD format.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._show_dvd_dc_1

"Blue movies" and Blu-ray?
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Capacity is king... or so I've heard. ;)

Even though I have no interest in porn I truly hope the adult industry will use Blu-ray and help solidify it as the next home video format. The sooner the format war ends the better.
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I do have interest in porn, and I also hope that they give blu-ray their blessing and put big, early nail in the coffin of the format war.

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Gee, PS3 AND porn? HD-DVD doesn't stand a chance.
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LOL Cant wait for the Blu-ray compilations!!!!
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Blu-Ray = Blu-Balls
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Sweet! How we can get SD porn series all on one disk!

When will D* stop pushing HD-Lite while charging us for full HD? Digital input on a CRT is a reality, not a possibility.
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This is a big blow, but look at the titles for HD-DVD I think its going to rest on one studio now and thats fox who seems to favor blu-ray at the moment but also markets there products at a good price point which I do not see blu-ray allowing.

HD-DVD to me is the way to go since it will be compatible with what everyone allready has.

The average population does not want to spend $40 for a blue ray disc when they can spend $10-$15 for most DVDs.

Also HD-DVD will be able to sell around the $20 mark which I do not see Blu ray doing.

Also factor in Netflix, Blockbuster etc.., Blu-ray would warrant for them to restructure there shipping services raising costs while HD-DVD would not.

Sorry guys I'm going the HD-DVD route I think Blu-ray is the Beta of this war which will be superior, but also more costly and less friendly to today's business envirement. Online rentals and VOD are going to reign king which HD-DVD transfers and discs are easier to implement into the existing system.

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The format wars are over!!! ONE land, ONE format!!! - adapted from Excalibur


But if the porn world goes with Blu-Ray then it would seem that they have an inside track on the format to be with. Anyone who discounts the pron power block isn't thinking with the right head. ;)

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Hank, like D-VHS the concept of Blu-ray is a niche-product in its infancy. And what did you think the public was paying for analog VHS tapes when they first started coming out?

I would pay $40 for a Blu-ray high-definition movie over $22-23 for a Superbit. Not much more than $40, but you also have to keep in mind that pre-recorded content is only one facet of this game. I also would like the ability to timeshift as well, and that is all about capacity, not compatability.

Like the introduction of DVD into my home, it wasn't backwards compatible and I got rid of VHA, thankfully.

When will D* stop pushing HD-Lite while charging us for full HD? Digital input on a CRT is a reality, not a possibility.
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"Sorry guys I'm going the HD-DVD route I think Blu-ray is the Beta of this war which will be superior, but also more costly and less friendly to today's business envirement. Online rentals and VOD are going to reign king which HD-DVD transfers and discs are easier to implement into the existing system. "

HERE HERE I couldn't agree more and that is the gist of the article about which format the PORNO industry will chose . The cheaper format HD-DVD will make more money for them and is a no brainer in there biz.
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It may be a cheaper form for them to master content, but the market buying the content buys into Blu-ray how much money are they saving?

When will D* stop pushing HD-Lite while charging us for full HD? Digital input on a CRT is a reality, not a possibility.
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Look DVHS is dead! or dying people didn't adopt it. People are not going to adopt blue-ray.

HD-DVD will have machines to record. The media will be alot cheaper. Who right now has $50 to spend for a recordable blue ray disc?

Also there's hollywood that wants to limit our recording ability to OTA and SD.

So whats the point? Hd channels will look just as good on HD-DVD as would they with Blu- ray. They are compressed to begin with. I'm one consumer who's not buying discs to record OTA content. I only timeshift OTA and occasionally keep some cartoon stuff for the kids. But hey there channels are so far from HD that its moot.

HD-DVD is allready the winner. look at the title rollout. What does sony have in there collection yelling for blu ray? Spiderman, Fifth Element for the 100th time? I'm sorry but Paramount, Universal, Warner and Fox hold the majority of titles people covet. Sony and MGM have a great collection but not the gems

Indiana Jones
Star Wars
Godfather
Matrix
LOTR

These are the biggest titles everyone covets and who knows how long it will take Star Wars to appear anywhere.

MGM - has The Bond Franchise - nice collection there.
Sony- to my knowledge have alot of good titles but nothing besides Spiderman that screams massive sales.

I was lucky in the order, but I've always been lucky when it comes to killin' folk - Unforgiven cannot wait for the hd-dvd of this gem
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HD-DVD to me is the way to go since it will be compatible with what everyone allready has.
How do you figure that? It will still require a new player and a display capable of handling HD signals and resolving enough of it to make it worth the difference.

I see no advantage for HD-DVD. As you point out, for most people the difference over a DVD isn't going to be worth it at first, so they are going to be selling into a market at first that is aware of quality and technical differences. HD-DVD is too capacity limited to be the format that end up living with for 10 years or more. It's a short term hack that trades off a short term lower price for a long term regret that we didn't pick the more future proof format.

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HD-DVD to me is the way to go since it will be compatible with what everyone allready has.
I assume you say this because HD-DVDs can also include SD DVD content so that you don't need to buy two disks for the same movie. You simply buy one dual-format (HD/SD) disk and you're set until you buy your HD-DVD player. That's what you're saying, right?

Well Blu-Ray does that also.
http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/...04/bd-dvd.html

You may have a point about the price (unless the Blu-Ray group decides to lose money for the first couple of years), but compatibility isn't a factor anymore.
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HD-DVD will have machines to record. The media will be alot cheaper. Who right now has $50 to spend for a recordable blue ray disc?
Blu-ray based recorders are already available in Japan, right? So the technology is already there if they chooose to deploy it here.

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Sony- to my knowledge have alot of good titles but nothing besides Spiderman that screams massive sales.
CTS has a massive catalogue of stuff, a lot of it of the sort that will be demo material in HD. I love The Godfather dearly, but it won't benefit anywhere near as much as something like The Fifth Element. Though the latter isn't even in the same ballpark in terms of content, I bet it outsold The Godfather in a large way, because it looks so good and almost every video geek kept buying a new version of it to get more video quality from it. Less than epic but super-sharp looking stuff like X-Men, U-571, Starship Troopers, T2, that kind of stuff will be more likely to drive HD-DVD sales than The Godfather or Indiana Jones, in the early days when video geeks are driving the sales. I might not even buy The Godfather in HD, and just keep the DVD set, unless they did considerable work to clean it up and get a far higher quality transfer.

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I assume you say this because HD-DVDs can also include SD DVD content so that you don't need to buy two disks for the same movie. You simply buy one dual-format (HD/SD) disk and you're set until you buy your HD-DVD player. That's what you're saying, right?
I don't even see that as an issue. How many people of the sort remotely likely to buy into HD discs any time soon don't already have a DVD player? And, if they don't, how much does one cost? It's just not a real factor, IMHO, among the poeple who will drive the initial acceptance of an HD disc format.

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Not another Blu-Ray/HD-DVD discussion again? Please people, do not hijack this thread.

This is a discussion on the adult industry leaning towards Blu-Ray, not something else.
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I don't even see that as an issue. How many people of the sort remotely likely to buy into HD discs any time soon don't already have a DVD player? And, if they don't, how much does one cost? It's just not a real factor, IMHO, among the poeple who will drive the initial acceptance of an HD disc format.
I see it from the opposite side of the equation.

I imagine when VHS started to die, there was a lot of unsold VHS tapes from the various distributors left in stock, and they had to eat the cost of not only making, but destroying the stock that will never be sold. (Probably one of the reasons why they're undershipping DVHS tapes now.) The same will be true of DVD unless the distributors start to transition to the new formats by creating dual-definition (HD/SD) disks. I predict that all brand-new releases from the major studios will be dual definition in the fall of 2005 -- so the distributors don't have to make multiple versions of the same program, and be forced to destroy the DVD versions after the shift to HD is complete.

So if the only way to buy Star Wars Ep. 3 on DVD will be to buy it on dual-definition DVD, then they will sell a lot of Hi-Def DVDs. (The consumers won't initially use the HD part, but the marketing will be filled with words like, "Will never be obsolete!" or, "Will work on your future HD system!")

It's possible that MGM and Sony Pictures will release only on Blu-Ray. It also seems likely that Universal and the other HD-DVD signers on will release only in HD-DVD. Disney and Fox seem to have left the option open to release on both HD formats...

So if you, the average consumer, have been buying a bunch of new releases in dual-definition and watching them on your regular DVD player, when the time comes to buy a HD deck, wouldn't the number of HD disks you already have in your collection be a big factor to determine which kind of deck you're going to buy?

That's where I really think this fight is going to be won or lost.
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Not another Blu-Ray/HD-DVD discussion again? Please people, do not hijack this thread.

This is a discussion on the adult industry leaning towards Blu-Ray, not something else.
Sorry. Won't do it again.
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Well elicross is right. As much of a theatre geek/nerd part of me really wants blu-ray. The convience of it screams dvds and dvd rentals are not dead. I have over 1,000 DVDs I will not sell off as I do not see rebuying them again on HD-DVD. I think your average consumer will not rebuy titles either. So the smart thing for studios to do is release on the dual format disks to the masses. This generally enables everyone to be buying from the same stock, which is a huge stock at that. Which the more you can sell the cheaper it becomes to produce, market etcc., It enables DVDs to stay mainstream and allows us to purchase future releases on HD-DVD without having to buy another medium.

I look at it as the space on a disc is not an issue. The compression technology is and WM9 discs are impressive enough for me.

Oh and the titles that will sell
The Fith Element has been released so many times I think everyone is sick of this quadruple dipping sony is pushing on us. I think Sony wants the dual income stream from DVD and blu-ray and that they will release blu ray titles a month or more after the dvd counterparts which is hogwash.

How bout this list
Titanic
Top Gun
The Matrix
Independence Day
Braveheart
All the Star Treks
LOTR
U527
Most Clint Eastwood flicks

+ the other big factor many homes have several DVD players including portable DVD players. Our house has 5 dvd players and 1 portable. I have 2 in the theatre room. We watch movies in The Bedroom, Family Room and Theatre mostly. Plus a portable for the kids. Now I would not spend the money to update every room. With HD-DVD one title can play on every machine. I could buy 2 HD-DVD players and be content to watch in SD with the kids when they dictate where they watch something.

Blu ray to me at least is a dumb idea I just do not see happening. Hell some WM9 movie fits on a 4.3 gig discs now you have over 3x times that to get everything on it. Look stuff is going to look incredible. Where talking a difference now at 10 ft plus projected between blu ray and hd-dvd? How many consumers have that?

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If the topic title is true, Blu-Ray has two opposite ends of the spectrum on it's side - porn and Disney.

Porn aside, I fear we're in for quite a battle and the consumer will definitely need both players to enjoy the titles they want to purchase.
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Hey! Knock it off. You guys have many threads to debate the whole format war thing. If it doesn't involve nekid people having sex, keep it out of this thread. Or else we're going to break into your serious format wars and start debading the importance of a** ******* ;)
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I don't know if anyone has brought this up before but just because someone adopts a format doesn't mean that they will stick to it. The porn industry may have adopted blu-ray now but they may switch if it's not looking good. If Blu-ray becomes the lesser popular format Sony will likely be the only ones that stick around until it runs into the ground.
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So if the only way to buy Star Wars Ep. 3 on DVD will be to buy it on dual-definition DVD, then they will sell a lot of Hi-Def DVDs. (The consumers won't initially use the HD part, but the marketing will be filled with words like, "Will never be obsolete!" or, "Will work on your future HD system!")
But the same could be said the other way. I'm sure that blu-ray machines are capable of downconverting to standard def output. So I don't see that as an issue either.

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I don't know if anyone has brought this up before but just because someone adopts a format doesn't mean that they will stick to it. The porn industry may have adopted blu-ray now but they may switch if it's not looking good. If Blu-ray becomes the lesser popular format Sony will likely be the only ones that stick around until it runs into the ground.
Things could happen that way for HD-DVD too you know. ;) That's why with the exception of Warner and Columbia, none of the studio support for either format is exclusive. All of the other studios are well prepared to jump ship if they feel the need to.

Go Blu-ray Porn Go! :D
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BTW, did anyone see the LG offering with the HD/RGB output on it? I bet that doesn't make it into the states. :)

When will D* stop pushing HD-Lite while charging us for full HD? Digital input on a CRT is a reality, not a possibility.
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