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Not at all. I still enjoy my work, it's just that I'm more realistic about it now. "Designers" to me were really, really smart dudes who knew everything about the chip. Once I got closer, I realized viscerally that a chip is really, really big, and that anyone who claims to know everything about the chip is lying. :) I still respect good designers, I just don't necessarily think they're as godlike as I'd made them out to be. Which is a good thing.

Analog designers, on the other hand... they are truly wizards.

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Which I could deal with, though I'd hope that studios would follow Disney's example and let you skip the trailers with the MENU key.
Either that, or a screen that pops up immediately with two buttons - "Play" and "Options" (which would include the trailers).

Welcome aboard archibael! Good to have another insider on board.

Now, all we need is an engineer from the future who has purchased the unit, pulled it apart, inspected it, and ran it through its paces to report back, and we're all set. :)


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Thanks guys. I've been a member for awhile, but I haven't posted since I put together my buddy's HTPC years ago. But the topic has caught my attention, and the presence of people here who actually seem to know what they're talking about has made me shift to this Forum for the latest and greatest news.

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This just in from Businessweek online:

Warner Brothers is poised to raise the stakes in what has become a pitched battle over the next generation of digital videodisks, or DVDs. Warner Brothers is expected to throw its weight behind a new generation of high-definition DVDs sponsored by long-time rival Sony (SNE ), BusinessWeek Online has learned.
If Warner and Sony strikes a deal at this time, it's goodbye to HD-DVD - no question about it.
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In the case of downloaded trailers, I expect the set will be at best disc theme oriented. Not a unique set for each disc. So, that would mean perhaps that the same set of trailers would be shown for many discs.

There have been examples of mandatory trailers on DVD (which has angered people). I certainly wouldn't want to see that continue, but the studios may present an incentive:

- Always have to see the disc trailers
- Only see the updated trailers ONCE per theme pack

Hence encouraging the connectivity. Does that make it a defacto requirement? I'll let you decide
Gary, I think it will be more like you buy Harry Potter 4 on disk with access to watch HP5 trailer over the internet a few months later when the movie is filmed and it is available for DL. imagine a button with "sneak preview of HP 5 trailer after {date}" after that date you click it and the player dl the trailer that was not filmed when the disk went to press
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Blu-Ray is taking you and your fair use to the slaughter house and some of you cheer the whole way. Very odd.

I'm personally disgusted with all the "Pigs crowding around the trough"

Here comes another DIVX, SACD, DVD-A bad idea. Consumers aren't going to embrace an expensive format anytime soon.
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Here is the Business Week article. Sounds pretty final to me. I wonder if it's too late to drop BD-Java and add iHD? You have to expect that Universal would announce very shortly afterward if TW makes this official.

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Well, hmurchison is apparently content to stick with SD content. More power to him.

And frankly I don't get why he's singling out BD; HD-DVD is fully committed to complete control over your content as well. If you can't prove that your managed copy destinations are locked down tight, well, you're screwed.

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Blu-Ray is taking you and your fair use to the slaughter house and some of you cheer the whole way. Very odd.

I'm personally disgusted with all the "Pigs crowding around the trough"

Here comes another DIVX, SACD, DVD-A bad idea. Consumers aren't going to embrace an expensive format anytime soon.
Oink Oink!!!
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If Warner and Sony strikes a deal at this time, it's goodbye to HD-DVD - no question about it.
Agreed, but I thought Warner and Toshiba were already bed-partners(?).

"I knew you'd say that"...*BLAM!*
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Huh? From the Business Week article:

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Disney and Fox were likely influenced in their decision to back Blu-ray after Toshiba said on Sept. 30 that it would delay launch of its new format to "February or March" from December.
Both Disney and Fox were firmly in the BD camp long before Sept. 30. This I find quite interesting (emphasis added by me):

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Neither Sony nor Warner would discuss their talks. But those with knowledge of the negotiations say they have focused on three key areas: the cost of producing the DVDs, how Sony would treat Warner's patents, and guarantees that the Blu-ray disk can be manufactured on time.
It looks to me like Toshiba is left twisting in the wind. Sony needs Warner's support. I doubt they care about Toshiba if they have support from all or most of the studios. Are there any Toshiba patents used in Blu-Ray technology?
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Huh? From the Business Week article:



Both Disney and Fox were firmly in the BD camp long before Sept. 30. This I find quite interesting (emphasis added by me):



It looks to me like Toshiba is left twisting in the wind. Sony needs Warner's support. I doubt they care about Toshiba if they have support from all or most of the studios. Are there any Toshiba patents used in Blu-Ray technology?
No. And this is what all of this has been about.
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No. And this is what all of this has been about.
Heh. Who said 'Greed is Good'? :rolleyes:

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No. And this is what all of this has been about.
Todd, are you absolutely certain about this?

I remeber a while back that Amir stated that "both (formats) use some of the current DVD technology underneath", although IIRC, there were 3 separate patent pools for DVD. So none of the TW/Toshiba pool are part of the BD format?

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Todd, are you absolutely certain about this?

I remeber a while back that Amir stated that "both (formats) use some of the current DVD technology underneath", although IIRC, there were 3 separate patent pools for DVD. So none of the TW/Toshiba pool are part of the BD format?

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I don't think that any of the major IP is from Toshiba and that's why they wanted to develop their own format to secure the IP level that they had with DVD...BD winning and overtaking the DVD format is their worst nightmare.

Althought it should be noted that I am quite sure that BD drives willl support DVD and so that part of the IP $ stream should continue to some degree.
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This all appears to be very good news for the consumer!

I have long hoped for a quick winner in the race for HD on disc, and it has always seemed to me that the best solution would simply be for the studios to steer their support towards only one of the new formats, and thus practically avoid a format war. Personally, have never cared which of the two formats wins as both will provide what I want: HD on disc!

It is curious to me how prickly people get on both sides of this debate, people who have likely never seen either format with their own eyes and who, presumably, have no financial stake in the winner (or perhaps in the case of the BR camp, they simply like the underdog and would like Sony to win one of these finally).

The only two things I am still leery of:

(1) will we need a phone/internet connection to be able to view movies - I would not want this, and
(2) will players support HD over analog output - which is critical to me as a CRT owner, and would force me to go 'overseas' for a solution.

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will we need a phone/internet connection to be able to view movies
No.

One down, one to go.

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Michael, the arrogance! :D

I prefer to 'wait and see' as history is full of examples where society has been let down on their hopes and dreams.

When will D* stop pushing HD-Lite while charging us for full HD? Digital input on a CRT is a reality, not a possibility.
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I wouldn't call it "arrogance", but I'm not sure it's decided one way or the other, yet. I'd like to think Keith knows what he's talking about, but it's software, ultimately, and since AACS isn't even finalized yet, it's hard to determine what impact BD+ will hace.

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