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Paramount Home Video announced today that they will support BOTH HD-DVD and Blu-Ray with their software titles. The company is "intrigued by the broad support of Blu-Ray, especially the key advantage of including Blu-Ray in PlayStation 3..."


Paramount is the first studio to announce a non-exclusive HD home video platform support policy.

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Wow. The tide turns again.

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I maybe wrong, but with the exception of Warners and or Sony Pictures, no Studio said it's going with any single format exclusively. Although, Paramount coming out so soon, announcing both formats is very interesting.

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Well said! Even hardcore BD studios (perhaps other than Sony) have made no exclusivity announcements. They, perhaps more than us, know the dark secrets of BD and want to leave their options open.

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I view Paramount's decision of dropping exclusivity in favor of competition as being good for the standards battle overall. After all, they are only stating what is probably true for every studio, which is that nobody really knows who will win at this time, and everybody will release content for the eventual winner, should a winner finally be declared.

What this decision does do is emphasize to both sides that you can't count on support simply by existing... you have to work towards executing on your plans and bringing your product to market with as few problems as possible.
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Great
I am sick of all this talk, where is the ****in content( Indy Jones please :) ) and the players

This is getting old

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This is the closest I've seen to a definite confirmation that the PS3 will ship with PS3 movie playback. So far there has mostly been FUD from Sony, and not much more. Clearly Paramount knows something or they wouldn't be willing to invest in the format.

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I maybe wrong, but with the exception of Warners and or Sony Pictures, no Studio said it's going with any single format exclusively. Although, Paramount coming out so soon, announcing both formats is very interesting.

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Well said! Even hardcore BD studios (perhaps other than Sony) have made no exclusivity announcements. They, perhaps more than us, know the dark secrets of BD and want to leave their options open.
Proof positive that when all else fails, the Boogeyman approach is always available.

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I maybe wrong, but with the exception of Warners and or Sony Pictures, no Studio said it's going with any single format exclusively. Although, Paramount coming out so soon, announcing both formats is very interesting.
Check this out! From videobusiness...
"Paramount embraces Blu-ray
Warner expected to make similar move this week"

Here's the article
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Where's that spin guy from Microsoft.
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No spin but read my replies above and elsewhere here. Paramount will still publish in HD DVD. And that format has capacity, manufacturing, cost and feature benefit advantages (e.g. managed copy) over BD. Consumers and retailers will decide next year....

And since Paramount was not specific to level of content commitment to BD, there is a good chance that this announcement is not as helpful as BD promoters like to think...

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And since Paramount was not specific to level of content commitment to BD, there is a good chance that this announcement is not as helpful as BD promoters like to think...

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And how is this not a spin?
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Yeah and if the Warner part of the story is true then goodnight irene! Sorry Amir... wait! is that the fat lady I hear?!?

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Yes!!!!

Now I have absolutely no reason to even buy a HD-DVD disc - before I might have been tempted by Star Trek :D

Die HD-DVD!!
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No spin but read my replies above and elsewhere here. Paramount will still publish in HD DVD. And that format has capacity, manufacturing, cost and feature benefit advantages (e.g. managed copy) over BD. Consumers and retailers will decide next year....

And since Paramount was not specific to level of content commitment to BD, there is a good chance that this announcement is not as helpful as BD promoters like to think...

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So if Warner and Universal announce in the next few weeks they will release on BD, do you think that wouldn't help them out (the BD promoters) much either? :)

Remember when I said that Hollywood was the most evil, nasty place there is to do business? Right now it looks like Hollywood has pulled a good one on Toshiba. That Warner is even talking about defecting to BD is even shocking to me. :eek:

Bet Chairman Bill's Hollywood hotline is blinking like a Christmas tree right now... :D

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Glad to finally hear the three holdouts are on their way to the sunny side of the street. It's good to see this happening now rather than in February when both formats were expected to launch. Now I doubt very much HD-DVD will launch at all. What would be the point? And people said I was too quick to dismiss HD-DVD when I first did months ago... lol, I've said BD would win all along.
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Let's give Amir a brake, he had a rough weekend. It should not be about attacking people, but about knowing where the tech is going. This is BIG news, but it is not the end all and be all.
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soon enough warner and universal will announce bd support also. i hope hd dvd doesn't even make it to market because it does nothing but slow down the inevitable victory of blu-ray anyway. so why temporarily have this harmful war?

step down hd dvd, the superior format has beaten you already. hd dvd supporters do nothing but leave out facts and create fud (even in this very thread, wow!). their claims are so apparently weak and skewed, and there's a reason for that, because they know they have nothing to stand on.

let's put this dog out of it's misery already. blu-ray has a bright future.

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BD still has to deliver. It's all news and PR posturing from both camps. I want to know, most of all, if I'll have to be "connected" to a phone line or the internet to watch a movie.
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This may be good news for Blu-ray, but what about poor slob consumers like me? Wow, Indi and Star Trek on both formats, but what set top box (format) do I buy?
"All we're doing is guaranteeing a format war," said a top exec at one studio DVD division about the Paramount announcement.

Now, if the Xbox 360 comes with a Blu-ray optical drive this November......

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BD still has to deliver.
that goes without saying, obviously any format that is not launched (even if it can :) ) cannot win the war

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I want to know, most of all, if I'll have to be "connected" to a phone line or the internet to watch a movie.
no, no connection for playing movies
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"All we're doing is guaranteeing a format war," said a top exec at one studio DVD division about the Paramount announcement.
The obvious solution to this dilemna would be to NOT release anything on HD-DVD.

What is forcing them to release anything on either format?

As the article goes on to say:

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Several execs in each camp believe the Paramount announcement to publish in both formats—which is the direction Warner has been leaning for the past week or two with a similar announcement expected this week—is simply a temporary face-saving strategy and that ultimately all studios will shift completely over to Blu-ray by launch time.
That is, this author is being told by some execs IN EACH CAMP that there won't be any HD-DVD released.

Of course, this may be distasteful for many execs. But, in the end it isn't a perfect world, and they have a business to run to the benefit of their shareholder/stakeholders.

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Blu-Ray is where it's at folks, that is just too obvious, 9 out of 10 enthusiasts on all these HT forums say the same thing and so do I :)

the market will confirm this

If either has a phone line requirement though, they can piss off

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Blu-Ray is where it's at folks, that is just too obvious, 9 out of 10 enthusiasts on all these HT forums say the same thing and so do I :)
So remind me again why 9 out of 10 want blu-ray today. We now know that there is no storage advantage for BD (actually the reverse is true with HD DVD offering more capacity next year than BD). So picture or sound quality advantage is not there for BD. We also know that BD has two forms of copy protection versus one for HD DVD. Last I checked, these were the two key factors important to this forum and on both counts, BD loses....

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Careful. Storage usually implies recording. You don't STORE to a pre-recorded. It's in situ manufactured capacity.

Are you saying BD won't offer 50GB recording?

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We now know that there is no storage advantage for BD (actually the reverse is true with HD DVD offering more capacity next year than BD).
We "know" no such thing. You've repeatedly asserted it, but that's different.

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We also know that BD has two forms of copy protection versus one for HD DVD.
I don't think we "know" this either. We know BD has two forms of anti-piracy, but whether there are two forms of copy protection is unclear at this point, at least to me.
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I stand corrected on the terminology :).

And yes, I am saying for early adopters who go and buy all the initial titles, there will be none in 50 Gigabytes. I have given many reasons for this but let me offer one more.

If I were a studio exec, and knew that BD wanted my support bad, I would ask for price and delivery guarantees. This is just prudent business practice. Why risk something when you can have the other guy hold the bag especially when the BD guys claims everything is just fine (proverbial put your money where your mouth is). And on yeh, if it were really me, I would ask for a boat load of money too :).

Now, it is one thing for a BD company to cover the down side risk of single layer, 25 Gig discs. But no one, including the major S-company, is brave enough to bet on dual-layer 50, knowing what they know about the problems left to be solved.

Of course, the above is hypothetical. I am not here to say it is or it is not true. And yes, same theory can be applied to HD DVD although one can imagine the risks here are considerably less given the simplicity of that format (relative to BD). And if such deals do exist for HD DVD, one can further assume that those studios would not be able to get out of publishing in that format easily.

How is this for Sunday evening pontification? :D

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So remind me again why 9 out of 10 want blu-ray today.
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Please remind me again why it matters? If in fact true the why isn't very relevant now is it?

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And yes, I am saying for early adopters who go and buy all the initial titles, there will be none in 50 Gigabytes. I have given many reasons for this but let me offer one more.
Uh, so?

I mean really. I was an early adopter for DVD. The first gen players came out and there was no dual layer out for what, nine months after the start of the seven city trial run? Nobody knew if their players could handle dual layer. Lots of people picked up Contact to see how their players could handle it.

And of course, we all went through the same thing AGAIN a year later when DVD-18 came out with the release of The Stand. A lot of people picked it up to see if their players could handle it.

Nobody expected dual layer at the start there and there certainly were issues behind its production and how it came out. That's why when you say the things you do I just keep remembering back to then. I don't know or expect that it will play out the same way but these sound like the same arguments I kept hearing from the die-hard laserdisc enthusiasts. As well as things about the cost of retooling replication lines, capital layout, etc etc.

Believe me, I respect you for the time you take and your opinions and what you bring to the table- I wish we had that back when DVD was coming out since it would be a lot more enlightening. But a lot of what keeps coming up really sounds like the entire sky is falling routine and a big sense of deja vu keeps hitting.
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Okay, I now am thinking of buying a PsP w/BD. Any ida how much the'll cost?
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