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http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/6896.cfm

Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. announced yesterday plans to ship Blu-Ray drives for PCs to manufacturers in March 2006. Negotiations have already began with several manufacturers including Dell and Hewlett-Packard; both company's strongly support the Blu-Ray disc format over Toshiba's HD-DVD format. The announcement comes after Toshiba's unveiled plan to sell PCs with HD-DVD early in 2006.

The two sides in the "format war" have so far failed to reach an agreement on a possible unified standard, but Toshiba President Yoshihide Fujii told the Japan Times that a unified standard is still possible and that Toshiba is "flexible" and willing to compromise. He blamed the Blu-Ray group's failure to convince Toshiba of the reliability of Blu-Ray's disc structure for the break down of talks back in June.

Now both sides are already making plans for product launches for each of the formats. Matsushita displayed a Blu-ray DVD drive at a combined exhibition of advanced technologies on Tuesday. The company demonstrated technology to halve production costs at the exhibition called CEATEC Japan 2005, demonstrating what it believes to prove Blu-Ray's superiority.

NEC Electronics Corp., a semiconductor subsidiary of NEC Corp, supports the HD-DVD format but has also joined Blu-ray promotion group, the company officials said. Since both Sony and Toshiba are key NEC customers, the manufacturer has indicated its readiness to adopt both formats.

Format war my A$$! I want one, and one only!
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I am curious how moch BD media will cost when the drives come out in March ( If they really release the players in March).

If the media costs $20, coasters are going to be fun.
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The current caddied SL BD-RE are $40. So, I would expect a big drop for RE from there. Simpler write once should be priced near that of DL HD-DVD-R, I would think.

The NEC announcement is interesting.

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DVD-R used to be $5 a pop, and -RW were at $15. Now -R are <$1 in bulk.

I'm not too worried. Prices will come down.

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True. And it is only the semiconductor division. I'm not sure that can be considered a "readiness to adopt both formats".

Supplying some component isn't adopting a format. Even if the component is BD specific.

Toshiba is part of the Cell processor group. Toshiba Corp. itself is NOT by extension a primary supporter of the PS/3 and thus the possible success of BD.

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The NEC thing is about OEM relationships. A lot of sony stuff is OEM NEC.....
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According to this...

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Since both Sony and Toshiba are key NEC customers, the manufacturer has indicated its readiness to adopt both formats.

I think it goes beyond simple OEM relationship IMHO... a bit like Paramount ??!! :)

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no friggin way they release even 10$ media, I bet that right once Single layer Blu-Ray is less than 6$ each(not retail, doing smart online purchasing)

I am counting the days until March

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I did not see the word "burner" or "recorder".
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according to the link below, panasonic will ship destop drive in january and notebook version in march.

http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messag...81/166228.html
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according to the link below, panasonic will ship destop drive in january and notebook version in march.

http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messag...81/166228.html
Do we know if these drives will do movie playback? I understand that an AACS environment will be necessary (i.e., we need an OS that is approved first), but can these be purchased now with future upgrades in mind?
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no friggin way they release even 10$ media, I bet that right once Single layer Blu-Ray is less than 6$ each(not retail, doing smart online purchasing)

I am counting the days until March
And how, pray-tell, do you think they're going to manufacture these SL BD-R discs in sufficient quantities to enable such a low price point? See any replication line equipment vendors announcing plans for BD-R-capable equipment? If they stick to the lab-based, low volume approach (currently used for BD-RE manufacturing in Japan), it's going to be quite a bit more than $10 media out of the gate.

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Aren't the Toshiba HD-DVD drives READ ONLY? That PR says nothing about the PC-BD drives being recordable...

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I thought I reported this several months back and included a link with a picture of one of the drives. At the time I called into question (and most ignored the relevance of the question) the write speed being so slow as to make is nearly useless.

When will D* stop pushing HD-Lite while charging us for full HD? Digital input on a CRT is a reality, not a possibility.
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Aren't the Toshiba HD-DVD drives READ ONLY? That PR says nothing about the PC-BD drives being recordable...
But nobody has ever talked about BD-ROM drives for PCs. All the prototypes show have been burners.

So, where would anyone get the idea there are plans for BD-ROM drives at this point?

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Blu-ray drives due next month


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Taiwanese firm AOpen has plans to introduce its first line of internal and external PC-based Blu-ray optical drives to the Middle East by the end of November.
http://www.itp.net/news/details.php?id=18355&category=

Why only in the Middle East I wonder... :confused:

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Why only in the Middle East I wonder...
Aopen will charge such a big premium that you need to be a Sheik to afford it :)
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I thought I reported this several months back and included a link with a picture of one of the drives. At the time I called into question (and most ignored the relevance of the question) the write speed being so slow as to make is nearly useless.
The panasonic drives are 2X
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If media is too high no one will purchase, people are too used to cheaper media, DL DVD+R is down to almost 2.00$ now, I am obsessed with getting my hands on Blu-Ray media but if it is anymore than 6/7$ a pop I am not buying

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http://www.itp.net/news/details.php?id=18355&category=

Why only in the Middle East I wonder... :confused:
Its a Dubai based newspaper, reporting it.

Q: Do you plan to introduce the drives in MiddleEast ?

AOpen : Yes, in November.

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But nobody has ever talked about BD-ROM drives for PCs. All the prototypes show have been burners.

So, where would anyone get the idea there are plans for BD-ROM drives at this point?

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And now the truth comes out. These will be DATA burners. Here's a little fact that most have not yet thought of.

BOTH BD and HD-DVD will require PC monitors to support HDCP to show movies on the PC monitor. They will require this support in the Video Card and it's driver. They will require it in the OS. There seems to be some level of support in Windows XP but it's really a Vista thing. Some Card Drivers are starting to add support....VERY few (looks like 2 to me) monitors have it. So for most of us even IF you have a drive, a movie and a PC you won't be watching in HD for a while....
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You'll be able to burn lots of unprotected HD video. Just as you can on DVD now. And would be able to on HD DVD-R too.

The nature of playing studio movies on the PC is definitely an open question at this point. But they have said they plan to support the movies, somehow.

If they are willing to take the financial hit (penalties) they can put out a player where the content can be stolen.

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And now the truth comes out. These will be DATA burners. Here's a little fact that most have not yet thought of.

BOTH BD and HD-DVD will require PC monitors to support HDCP to show movies on the PC monitor. They will require this support in the Video Card and it's driver. They will require it in the OS. There seems to be some level of support in Windows XP but it's really a Vista thing. Some Card Drivers are starting to add support....VERY few (looks like 2 to me) monitors have it. So for most of us even IF you have a drive, a movie and a PC you won't be watching in HD for a while....
Vista beta2 will be available by the time you can get the HD/BR movies. Don't know whether AACS support will be available with beta2, though ...

I'm also sure video card with HDMI will be available by the time the hidef movies come. ATI/NVidea have always delivered newer technologies much fater than CE companies ;)

But, most (99.999999%) monitors will not support HDCP.

So, the important thing is ... what policy will be adopted for analog output. I'd be surprised if draconian policies are adopted for the first couple of years.

Anyway, I'll give up on hidef dvds being a successful format, if the polocies are not user friendly.
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I guess you guys are forgetting that many people use htpcs to connect via dvi to their HDTV displays. Now whether or not video card manufacturers can enable hdcp somehow on their current video cards may be a different story.

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BOTH BD and HD-DVD will require PC monitors to support HDCP to show movies on the PC monitor. They will require this support in the Video Card and it's driver. They will require it in the OS. There
you have the same rules as analog for TV. You might be able to watch but not full frame, but it would depend on each movie because AACS gives that power to the studios.

And I am sure most of us thought of it. It has been discussed many times :)
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Honestly, I want one for all my DVHS stuff ;). HDCP restrictions would have no effect on me there.

Someday maybe I'll actually WATCH my projector...
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It is very disappointing to realize that I have to purchase 1) New OS 2) New Video Card and 3) new computer display device, to watch a HD Movie in HD for no other reason than DRM concerns. HD I think will be down-rez'd for PC Analog signals.

I do agree with some of the previous posters that a well tuned PC can produce a high quality DVD picture. I actually prefer using a PC + headphones + high end CRT for playback. To have to replace almost all of this (save the headphones - though that might be next lol) to watch a HD movie when this arrangement is more than capable will force me to look to alternatives.

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There is no getting around graphics card requirement and new drive. The latter is obviously needed as your current drive is red laser. The former is needed because PCs are not fast enough to decode MPEG-4 AVC. Someone may make these components to go into existing PCs though.

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