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While Sony's PlayStation 3 might well be the first Blu-ray device most consumers see, industry supporters of the technology are setting their sights much higher.

TDK, one of the key supporters of the next-generation DVD format, told vnunet.com that it will be making a major play for the storage sector, both through direct sales and via the network of specialist storage resellers and value-add resellers.

"Our target markets are the authoring and pre-mastering sectors," said Jean-Paul Eekhout, corporate strategy director at TDK, and vice chairman of the European Blu-ray PR committee.

"Data storage is going to be key, and maybe jukebox systems. There's also an underestimated market for video enthusiasts getting into high definition recording."

TDK already has 50GB Blu-ray discs in production and has built engineering samples of 100GB discs, although these are not expected to go into production until 2007.

Early prices for the media are high, however. Eekhout estimated that 25GB recordable discs would cost around €25, and 50GB recordable discs will initially be around €25-€30 at launch in the spring.

But prices for Blu-ray media would drop to within 10 per cent of current DVD costs once TDK reached full production, according to Eekhout.

Initially five companies will be launching PC Blu-ray burners, including Samsung, Sony and Philips. Current write speeds are limited to 2x, but Eekhout predicted that this would rise to 8x and beyond in the future.
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But that's or BD-R/RE Single layer, I guess. What is the cost of BD-ROM? And when will full production for dual-layer BD-ROM get rollin'?

I know you probably don't have the answers, joshd. Good find though.


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I believe that 10% stat is for single and dual layer media. And sorry, that's all I found.

Is it that different producing ROM and R/RE media?
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So that's what qualifies as "cheap" ?

By next year 120GB magnetic drives will be damn near that price.
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So that's what qualifies as "cheap" ?

By next year 120GB magnetic drives will be damn near that price.
Umm... within 10% of current DVD costs?
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So that's what qualifies as "cheap" ?

By next year 120GB magnetic drives will be damn near that price.
Ya gotta point, hd's are about 40 cents a gig without ubber sales, just right now. Hell you could get a 40-60 gig hd for less then 50 bucks any time, some times for only 20 bucks. They are rewriteable, and when you are done with them you can sell them for 50-75% of what you paid for them, Try that with a blue ray. These things should cost about a buck or two to be on par with dvd's right now.

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But that's or BD-R/RE Single layer, I guess. What is the cost of BD-ROM? And when will full production for dual-layer BD-ROM get rollin'?

I know you probably don't have the answers, joshd. Good find though.


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First this:
"50GB Disc In Production (Cheap!)"

then this:
"25GB recordable discs would cost around €25, and 50GB recordable discs will initially be around €25-€30 at launch "

So $40-50 US for one blank (potential coaster) is cheap? Lousy thinking, writing and thread. Pure crap.

Retile thread: Blank Blu-ray Media Expected To Be Very Expensive


Note: First Blu-ray player, the Pioneer is also very expensive at $1800.

Where is Cheap? Such blind delusional stupidity. Simply amazing. Shazzammm :)
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First this:
"50GB Disc In Production (Cheap!)"

then this:
"25GB recordable discs would cost around €25, and 50GB recordable discs will initially be around €25-€30 at launch "

So $40-50 US for one blank (potential coaster) is cheap? Lousy thinking, writing and thread. Pure crap.
We could say that of your currency conversion. :D

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Where is Cheap? Such blind delusional stupidity. Simply amazing. Shazzammm :)
The article says the costs will be within 10% of DVDs once they hit full production. That is cheap! It amazes me how people can post insults, yet have never learned the ability to read comprehensively.
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It will be years and years before BD hits production anywhere near DVD...
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It will be years and years before BD hits production anywhere near DVD...
It will be years and years before BD actually need the same production capacity as DVD's.

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The article says the costs will be within 10% of DVDs once they hit full production. That is cheap! It amazes me how people can post insults, yet have never learned the ability to read comprehensively.
I'd rather have a bird in hand that some company telling me that I should expect lower pricing. Contact me when they're within %20 of DVD DL media.

Tired of promises...I want to see execution.
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Per, that cost is for the film layer (materials) for the cover layer of a BD-ROM disc, not the actual cost of disc replication. And it's a moot point, anyway, since that particular film from Degussa hasn't been adopted, and Sony, the only replicator (Sony DADC) that was championing film for the cover layer, has already announced that they plan to abandon film for their G2 rollout (i.e., 2007 and beyond).

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As for the rest of the +10% over DVD cost projection silliness, the numbers have been cooked 6 ways to Sunday, as I've posted here many times. The cost of replication will come down, but there are fundamental truths that will keep the cost for BD-ROM replication well above DVD replication costs (e.g., cycle time inefficiency for 1.1mm substrates, HC application equipment/process, etc.).

Moot point if Sony continues to offer price caps, though.

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TDK BD-R / BD-RE available for preorder:

BD-R 50GB: EUR 26.00
BD-R 25GB: EUR 14.70
BD-RE 50GB: EUR 32.60
BD-RE 25GB: EUR 18.50

All of them 2x speed and in jewel case.


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TDK BD-R / BD-RE available for preorder:

BD-R 50GB: EUR 26.00
BD-R 25GB: EUR 14.70
BD-RE 50GB: EUR 32.60
BD-RE 25GB: EUR 18.50

All of them 2x speed and in jewel case.


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BD-R 50GB: usa $30.89: 62 cents a gig
BD-R 25GB: usa $17.47: 70 cents a gig
BD-RE 50GB: usa $38.73: 77 cents a gig
BD-RE 25GB: usa $21.98: 88 cents a gig

ok lets say your not bargan shopping for dvds, say 100 for $50, Hell i can get 100 for $25 and my last 300 discs have been 100 for $15.
so dvd is 4.7 gigs:
50 cent dvd: 11 cents a gig
25 cent dvd: 5.5 cents a gig
15 cent dvd: 3 cents a gig

Hard drives from anandtech lets say 400 gigs(8-16 discs) 200 gigs(4-8 discs) and 100 gigs (2-4discs):
400gig: 46 to 75 cents a gig
200gig: 41 to 67 cents a gig
100gig: 58 to 74 cents a gig




What are these PR reps smoking to come up with going from 70 cents a gig to 10 cents a gig once they reach full production. Hell It will be years before blue ray will be cheaper then even Hard drives. And guess what, hard drives are resellable.

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TDK BD-R / BD-RE available for preorder:

BD-R 50GB: EUR 26.00
BD-R 25GB: EUR 14.70
BD-RE 50GB: EUR 32.60
BD-RE 25GB: EUR 18.50

All of them 2x speed and in jewel case.
And bulletproof coating of course, not bad at all.
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With removable HDD, flash drives etc. BluRay as a backup medium may not get much play.

At least not in my shop. Costs don't quite equate to benefits at this time.

While is may one day be that BluRay drives are as common as DVD drives on PCs, the removable HDD is simply larger and cheaper. And getting smaller all the time.
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So let's see the one layer BD-R is going to start off at perhaps $20 each then quickly drop to $0.45 each as production ramps up (10% above what name brand DVD-Rs are selling for today in packs of 50 or more). I think I'll wait a few months until the price drops by a factor of 40. I do suspect the movie studios would love to see the price of blank DVD-R at $20 or more since at that price there would be no reason for anyone to waste their time trying to figure out how to burn illegal copies of HD movies (i.e., just buy the movie on a pre-recorded Blu-ray for about that price). Realistically I would expect the blank BD-Rs to be in the $5 price range by early next year (in the price range of DVD-RAM discs) and perhaps within the $1 price range within a couple of years if BD really catches on.

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TDK Begins Shipping of BD-R Media

TDK announced that it is to begin shipping 25GB recordable and rewritable Blu-ray Disc (BD) media across Europe and will follow with 50GB media in April.

TDK is a founding member of the Blu-ray Disc Association.

Recommended Retail Pricing is set at 15 Euro for a 25GB BD-R (write once), 20 Euro for a 25GB BD-RE (rewritable), 35 Euro for a 50GB BD-R (write once) and 45 Euro for a 50GB BD-RE (rewritable). Expect to see the first BD media on shelves from April 06, in line with the first BD hardware availability.

The single-sided discs are bare, cartridge-free media. The 25GB products are single layer whereas the 50GB products have a dual layer recording material structure. TDK first shipped mass production samples in December 2005, and with the subsequent issuance of the relevant licenses, the company immediately commenced full force manufacturing.

TDK Blu-ray Discs are manufactured at the company?s Chikumagawa Techno Factory in Japan. TDK's discs include DURABIS 2; an advanced protective hard coating formulation. TDK claims that the DURABIS 2 increases the scratch resistance of Blu-ray Disc media by a factor of 100. DURABIS 2 also resists fingerprints to help eliminate errors caused by disc surface smudges.

The high-sensitivity inorganic recording material utilised by TDK for the write-once type BD-R is completely different than the recording materials used for CD or DVD. Unlike the organic recording materials used in other media, the TDK Blu-ray Discs' inorganic material is impervious to light. This makes the discs well suited for archival. Composed of copper and silicon, TDK's CuSi recording material delivers long-lasting performance. The recording material enables fast recording and playback speeds and also makes it possible to realise massive capacities through multi-layering. For TDK's rewritable BD-RE media, a specially designed high-sensitivity phase change recording material is utilised. TDK said that the material is so stable that a TDK Blu-ray Disc shows virtually no performance degradation even after it has been overwritten 10,000 times. The 25GB and 50GB BD-R and BD-RE discs offer 2x (72Mbps) rated recording speed.

A 0.1-millimeter thick cover layer comprises the Blu-ray Disc's outermost internal surface, and the recording material resides beneath it. During recording, the laser passes through the cover layer in its path to the recording layer. Absolute uniformity in the thickness of the cover layer is critical to ensuring precise laser tracking, which is required for reliable performance. To achieve total uniformity in the cover layer's thickness, TDK developed an exclusive Spin Coating manufacturing process. With TDK Spin Coating, the cover layer is spun onto the disc at a high rate of speed, ensuring even dispersal of the material. High precision stacking technology further ensures reliability by consistently overlaying disc layers with the utmost precision.

TDK's Blu-ray Disc roadmap extends the format?s capabilities even further, proving that Blu-ray is truly future-ready. TDK technologies have already enabled creating 100GB, 4-layer Blu-ray Disc prototypes with blazing 216Mbps (6x) speed. The company is on the verge of creating the world's first 200GB Blu-ray Disc prototype.

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So let's see the one layer BD-R is going to start off at perhaps $20 each then quickly drop to $0.45 each as production ramps up (10% above what name brand DVD-Rs are selling for today in packs of 50 or more). I think I'll wait a few months until the price drops by a factor of 40.
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