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post #31 of 56 Old 02-15-2006, 04:14 PM
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So I guess the PS3 is capable of doing Dolby TrueHD & DTS HD, but it's just not worth mentioning because no Reciever is around yet to take advantage of it??

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So I guess the PS3 is capable of doing Dolby TrueHD & DTS HD, but it's just not worth mentioning because no Reciever is around yet to take advantage of it??
Neither are there any/many displays that can take a native 1080p feed but that is listed
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If the only way the PS3 can do Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD is via HDMI then I'm assuming it's going to miss it's Spring launch date. Those formats will require HDMI 1.3 which is not yet finalized.
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If the only way the PS3 can do Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD is via HDMI then I'm assuming it's going to miss it's Spring launch date. Those formats will require HDMI 1.3 which is not yet finalized.
The latest rumors say the launch is in September, for both Japan and the US.

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I noticed at the bottom of the first loaded page, it was "Copyright 2005" ... Hmmmmmm ... might be old info?
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I noticed at the bottom of the first loaded page, it was "Copyright 2005" ... Hmmmmmm ... might be old info?
Yeah, E3 2005, about a year ago.
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Copyrights on webpages aren't an indication of when the content was written, just of when the webspace was last copyrighted. This page on DVDFile is copyright 1995-2005, yet the info on it has clearly come from after CES in 2006.
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Copyrights on webpages aren't an indication of when the content was written, just of when the webspace was last copyrighted. This page on DVDFile is copyright 1995-2005, yet the info on it has clearly come from after CES in 2006.
You mean E3 2005.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614682p1.html

Just for clarifications sake.
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Who knows when the PS3 information was written. I was just pointing out that there's no point in looking at the copyright on the webspace. As per my above example.
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I know when it came out, at E3 2005.
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I know what colour undies you're wearing. And what colour you were wearing at E3!
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'This page on DVDFile is copyright 1995-2005, yet the info on it has clearly come from after CES in 2006."

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I think you've lost perspective. Look through that page's lists of titles with announced dates and players likewise, then tell me if that information was available before CES 2006.
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What are you talking about?

I already gave the E3 2005 Link from IGN. Date in May of 2005, with the exact specs listed on the SONY page. What is there not to get.

Clearly it was posted after E3 CES 2006.

But be more specific what you are talking about?
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Your link contains none of the titles information in the link I posted. My point is still valid: the copyright on the page is meaningless as a measure to the age of the information on it.

All your link shows is that these specs are the same as earlier ones. That could mean they are regurgitating old info, or it could mean Sony have kept to their earlier announcements. Time will tell.
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????

Your link is irrelevant.

The OFFICIAL specs mentioned from the author of this thread seemed worthy, till one learned they are really about a year old.

We aren't talking about titles, we are talking specs. wow....
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No, you and someone else claimed the link was a year old due to the copyright. That is incorrect as I demonstrated. Sorry if you couldn't keep up.
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Well, you made an assumption.

Copy right, additional links to like IGN and google cache all showed it was older than expected when first entering the thread.
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He's right that the copywrite thing doesn't neccessarily mean anything. The point remains that this is old news.

Jblacklow, Sony has always said that the PS3 will playback Blu-ray video but the problem comes when certain people try and claim that the PS3 will drop support for Blu-ray etc. It's still possible, just not likely
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I can't understand why people are getting excited about the possibility that Playstation 3 will play Blu-Ray movie discs........ From what i understand Playstation 2 didn't make a very good job of playing dvd discs and was worse at it than the X Box ...... now i owned an X Box and considered its dvd playback ok but inferior to dvd players which could be bought for £50 ( $80 ) so why do people believe Playstation 3 would make a good job of playing these discs and why would people who care about image quality even consider a games console when it comes to movies ( i assume you do care about higher quality otherwise you wouldn't even be considering high definition discs in the first place and if you don't care about quality then why not just stick to conventional dvd ) and before anyone accuses me of bias i have also over the years owned the original Playstation and Nintendo consoles.

I can understand from a consumer point of view that if you want Sony to win the format war then it might be considered good that Playstation 3 which will reach a mass audience will play high definition movie discs but don't you think people who buy consoles do so for the games and if they care about movies they will usually buy a separate quality player just for them. How many people have a Playstation 2 just for movies ? I imagine most people bought it for the games not the fact it might play dvd movies and i know i didn't buy my X Box because it could play movies i bought it for the games ( well actually i bought it for Dead or Alive 3 )

I think if Sony overprices Playstation 3 just because it can play high definition movies then its going to have a massive flop on its hands ( its just a question of what the average consumer considers overpriced ) Sony need to concentrate on the gaming side and forget movie playback unless said movie playback really is of a very high quality for image and sound and if it is then it'll be a first for games consoles.
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Foxy...

How does your X-box connect to your TV when you play DVDs?


The Sony, no matter how bad it is will be merely a transport for the Blu-Ray disk connected to the display in digital via HDMI (not component). Given same people will want a PS3 for playback because even at it's worst its a $5-700.00 transport
that undercuts the next similar unit that plays disks only (no PS-3 options for gaming etc.) for nearly 2x the money.

It's penetration not quality that counts in the mass market. Get people on board, get the Gen Y consumers on board and you have a winner. IMHO Microsoft was foolish to release their X-Box 360 without HD-DVD support. They could have conquered the format war if they had (or at least set the bar).

Isn't it time someone promoted quality as value?
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Not that i am recomending such things but a chipped xbox with the right software played thro component cant keep up with the best of them
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I don't connect to a tv i use a 106 inch screen and a projector and it connects to my X Box using the RGB input of my projector ( RGB is almost comparable to component as far as European television goes ) ...... quality input and in my opinion the X Box was an average at best dvd player....... overall detail was slightly lower than a decent dvd player as was image depth and clarity and in my opinion sound quality was also merely average as far as movie playback went....... now i never had a chipped x box so maybe that does give better playback but the unit out of the box when used with a quality cable did not on a decent sized screen give great movie playback ( note i said great because it was acceptable playback it just wasn't great ) and in my opinion i doubt Playstation 3 will offer much better picture quality for movie playback....... HDMI when used with most present cheap end dvd decks does not result in a better picture quality than for example component and remember i said cheap dvd decks..... there are many reviews out there in internet land on various quality sites to back this up.

A dedicated Blu-Ray player will in my opinion offer a far better picture and sound than Playstation 3 ( much as it pains me to say )

My original point though is that gamers will buy the Playstation 3 for its games not for its Blu-Ray movie playback so they have to get the price right or the gamers will abandon it and buy X Box 360 or Nintendo's next console.
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I can't understand why people are getting excited about the possibility that Playstation 3 will play Blu-Ray movie discs........ From what i understand Playstation 2 didn't make a very good job of playing dvd discs and was worse at it than the X Box ...... now i owned an X Box and considered its dvd playback ok but inferior to dvd players which could be bought for £50 ( $80 ) so why do people believe Playstation 3 would make a good job of playing these discs and why would people who care about image quality even consider a games console when it comes to movies ( i assume you do care about higher quality otherwise you wouldn't even be considering high definition discs in the first place and if you don't care about quality then why not just stick to conventional dvd ) and before anyone accuses me of bias i have also over the years owned the original Playstation and Nintendo consoles.

I can understand from a consumer point of view that if you want Sony to win the format war then it might be considered good that Playstation 3 which will reach a mass audience will play high definition movie discs but don't you think people who buy consoles do so for the games and if they care about movies they will usually buy a separate quality player just for them. How many people have a Playstation 2 just for movies ? I imagine most people bought it for the games not the fact it might play dvd movies and i know i didn't buy my X Box because it could play movies i bought it for the games ( well actually i bought it for Dead or Alive 3 )

I think if Sony overprices Playstation 3 just because it can play high definition movies then its going to have a massive flop on its hands ( its just a question of what the average consumer considers overpriced ) Sony need to concentrate on the gaming side and forget movie playback unless said movie playback really is of a very high quality for image and sound and if it is then it'll be a first for games consoles.

The problem with the DVD playback of the PS2 and XBox was due to the poor quality of the analog components, not to the ability to decode the video stream. Decoding the video and passing it through HDMI should result in bit accurate information provided to the HDTV assuming you're not converting 720p->1080i or 1080i->720p (or 1080p to either) that's going to be more dependent on the conversion quality (may be better to let the TV handle it, but it may not.) Anyway the biggest issue isn't going to be image quality but more of convenience and look. I personally would rather have it done in my HTPC, hopefully somebody like Creative Labs will step up to the plate and put together a Video Card + High Def DVD ROM package where the Video Card has board level HDCP support. This would be somewhat akin to what they did with the Dxr2 back when DVD players where $700+ and they had a Video Card/Decoder Board + DVD ROM for $300.

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I can't understand why people are getting excited about the possibility that Playstation 3 will play Blu-Ray movie discs........ From what i understand Playstation 2 didn't make a very good job of playing dvd discs and was worse at it than the X Box ......
If I read the PS3 specs correctly, it outputs 480i for DVD and 1080i for BR, via HDMI. Then this is a totally different story: I can connect them to an external video processor and get the best PQ possible. It becomes a pure digital transport. I only need its decoder, which isn't very hard.
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The problem with the DVD playback of the PS2 and XBox was due to the poor quality of the analog components, not to the ability to decode the video stream. Decoding the video and passing it through HDMI should result in bit accurate information provided to the HDTV assuming you're not converting 720p->1080i or 1080i->720p (or 1080p to either) that's going to be more dependent on the conversion quality (may be better to let the TV handle it, but it may not.) Anyway the biggest issue isn't going to be image quality but more of convenience and look. I personally would rather have it done in my HTPC, hopefully somebody like Creative Labs will step up to the plate and put together a Video Card + High Def DVD ROM package where the Video Card has board level HDCP support. This would be somewhat akin to what they did with the Dxr2 back when DVD players where $700+ and they had a Video Card/Decoder Board + DVD ROM for $300.

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Well, it seems nvidia has taken the leap to HD Video. Though there is no mention of HDCP. From: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_29956.html Bolding by me:

SANTA CLARA, CA—MARCH 2, 2006—NVIDIA Corporation (Nasdaq: NVDA), the worldwide leader in programmable graphics processing technologies, today announced the immediate availability of new NVIDIA® PureVideo™ technology enabling comprehensive support for high-definition video including hardware acceleration for content based on the advanced H.264 specification.

H.264, which is also known as the Advanced Video Codec (AVC) specification or MPEG-4 Part 10, is one of the digital video codecs specified for the Blu-ray (BD) and High Definition DVD (HD DVD) formats. H.264 delivers two to three times the compression efficiency of the MPEG-2 standard, which is used to create current DVD videos. H.264 has been adopted by both the DVD Forum for HD DVDs and the Blu-ray Disc Association for Blu-ray Discs, and VC-1 has also been adopted by the DVD Forum for HD DVDs.

NVIDIA PureVideo technology provides hardware acceleration for decoding H.264, VC-1, WMV and MPEG-2 movies and performs post processing techniques on the decoded high definition content, including spatial-temporal de-interlacing and inverse telecine. This provides consumers with precise images that have up to six times the detail of standard DVD movies. The PureVideo discrete video processing core offloads the CPU and 3D engine of complex video tasks, freeing the PC to run multiple applications simultaneously, while consuming less power.

Consumers with PCs built with the following NVIDIA products, will be able to watch high-definition videos and DVDs with the highest level of visual quality and performance:

* NVIDIA® GeForce® 7-series of GPUs for the desktop and notebook PC
* NVIDIA GeForce 6-series of GPUs for the desktop and notebook PC
* NVIDIA nForce® 6150 family of integrated GPUs

"With the introduction of our latest version of PureVideo technology, NVIDIA is enabling a new era of high-definition movie and television viewing on a PC," said Scott Vouri, general manager of multimedia products at NVIDIA. "While it seems as if the rest of the industry focuses on improving standard definition processing capabilities, we are providing consumers with the high-definition video processing and acceleration."

NVIDIA has been working closely with InterVideo, CyberLink and Nero software to include NVIDIA PureVideo acceleration and post-processing in their H.264 codecs, thereby leveraging the Company's highly-advanced algorithms to deliver high quality and performance on today's PCs.

"As desktop and notebook PCs are being relied on to deliver the best video experience, you will have to ensure that you have the right combination of hardware and software," said Alice H. Chang, CEO of CyberLink Corp. "It was only natural for us to work with NVIDIA, for the company's depth of experience in developing video and graphics technologies will enable us to bring high-definition video content to consumers worldwide."

"This is yet another milestone for Nero," stated John Tafoya, Vice President of Business Development at Nero Inc. "We were the first-all-in-one digital media suite to be delivered with Samsung in their Blu-ray disc demos, and now we are teaming with NVIDIA to bring this same technology to the PC market, where we are pioneering the way for HD videos to become a reality in the PC market."

NVIDIA PureVideo with H.264 support will be available immediately at www.nvidia.com.


So now let's hope they get HDCP in there before launch.

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