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post #31 of 48 Old 03-04-2006, 08:25 PM
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Thanks for the advice, Thebarnman, but logically I should get the Sony before I get the Pioneer. The Sony also doesn't have built-in decoders, but at least it plays CDs.

Does anyone know what the specs are for that Samsung? Of course, it'll probably use the Faroujda deinterlacer/scaler for SD DVD, and that creates macroblocking with my display.

Maybe I should find a new hobby... :rolleyes:
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I like how on the pdf, they talk about its use for gaming and shows a picture of a controller that looks a lot like an xbox controller.

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nice work SONY , umm..... Spiderman 2 OAR is 2.35:1 , not 1.78 :rolleyes:

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The DVD/Blu-ray comparison showed Blu-ray being a lot sharper than dvd, but honestly I don't think I've ever seen dvd look as bad as they made it in their demo.
Sounds just as lame as the Toshiba split screen demo.

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Overall the Blu-ray images looked pretty good, but there were a lot more compression artifacts than I expected to see. For having all this extra disc space it didn't look like they were taking much advantage of it, and the encoding didn't look much better than standard dvd.
Thats pretty sad. So much for using MPEG2.

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Like the Pioneer Elite player, the Sony won't have any internal decoders for the new audio formats, so you'll have to wait for new receivers that handle the formats to be able to take advantage of them. Also, the Sony Blu-ray player does not support SACD.
Are there any BD players that decode the new audio formats like the Toshiba HD-DVD players?

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I asked him about Sony's somewhat poor choice of launch titles (IMHO anyway) and he said the titles they picked were originally geared towards gamers because they had planned for the PS3 to be the first player BD released. Since it got delayed that kind of messed things up.
Great... So much for good Sony movies. Maybe this is why the video quality wasnt up to snuff. Most gamers are not really video enthusiasts.
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nice work SONY , umm..... Spiderman 2 OAR is 2.35:1 , not 1.78 :rolleyes:
That happened on the HD DVD demo too - some of the trailers used were presented in 2.35:1 widescreen with the appropriate letterbox bars, but some of them were modified to fill the 16:9 screen. A trailer is not necessarily representative of the AR of the actual disc.

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This sounds so similar to the HD-DVD demo that it is scary.

That being said, I seem to remember reading about this demo shortly after CES 2005, so it could be over a year old. I think they had this demo showing off the first versions of the Qualia 006 at some of the Sony Qualia Stores. I remember people talking about pixelation during some of the scene transitions on the Spiderman 2 scenes. In addition, people weren't too happy with the LOA transfer either, so they were wondering which source elements were used.

In the end, it's hard to judge from these demos. You don't know how it's mastered, the bit-rates, etc. I want to see both products from production models and discs.
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That happened on the HD DVD demo too - some of the trailers used were presented in 2.35:1 widescreen with the appropriate letterbox bars, but some of them were modified to fill the 16:9 screen. A trailer is not necessarily representative of the AR of the actual disc.
Grubert, dugpa did say that they showed the Spider-Man 2 trailer and some clips from the movie. It's not clear to me where the screengrabs came from. If they're from the movie, then they are indeed incorrectly formatted.
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Grubert, dugpa did say that they showed the Spider-Man 2 trailer and some clips from the movie. It's not clear to me where the screengrabs came from. If they're from the movie, then they are indeed incorrectly formatted.
The Spiderman 2 images are indeed from the clip from the actual film they showed, not the trailer. And it was in the wrong aspect ratio. But I suspect they re-formated it for the demo disc to make it fill up the screen. At least that's what I'm hoping.

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Spiderman2 was shot open matte and shown that way on HBO. I do hope Sony doesn't start releasing movies open matted/cropped because they think they're marketing them towards "gamers" with the PS3.

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Spiderman2 was shot open matte and shown that way on HBO. I do hope Sony doesn't start releasing movies open matted/cropped because they think they're marketing them towards "gamers" with the PS3.
Uh huh.

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Sony (and MGM) are already the worst studios for maintaining OAR- why would that philosophy change with the introduction of Bd?
Sony is also the biggest offender when it comes to multiple releases (next to Universal)- With Sony taking the opportunity at some point to distinguish one of the versions as the 'high quality' version. The Superbit stunt seemed to work well for them on DVD so i'm sure we will see a replication of that on Bd at some point in the future.
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Sony (and MGM) are already the worst studios for maintaining OAR- why would that philosophy change with the introduction of Bd?
I would hope it would change somewhat because the Bd movies can only be played on HDTV sets, and most of those have wider screen aspect ratios when compaired to most NTSC sets.

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I would hope it would change somewhat because the Bd movies can only be played on HDTV sets, and most of those have wider screen aspect ratios when compaired to most NTSC sets.
i don't think they will be cropping 2.35 films to 4:3 and then pillar boxing them, but it wouldn't surprise me at all, given their past SOP, if some of their 2.35 films were 'opened', or cropped to 16:9 (1.85) to fill that screen.
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i don't think they will be cropping 2.35 films to 4:3 and then pillar boxing them, but it wouldn't surprise me at all, given their past SOP, if some of their 2.35 films were 'opened', or cropped to 16:9 (1.85) to fill that screen.
The cropping the 2.35:1 films to full screen HDTV screen is what I was talking about. Yes, I agree with you that they would probably do that on some titles, though with the wider screen aspect ratio of HDTVs, the black bars would not be as thick on the top and bottom like it would be for 4:3 TVs and SHOULD not bother people as much about some thin black bars.

By the way, small correction, 2.35:1 movies would not be cropped to 1.85:1 to fill the HDTV screen, that is a movie ratio format, though you had it right when you stated 16X9...that's 1.77:1 not 1.85:1.

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By the way, small correction, 2.35:1 movies would not be cropped to 1.85:1 to fill the HDTV screen, that is a movie ratio format, though you had it right when you stated 16X9...that's 1.77:1 not 1.85:1.
thanks for that. poor math skills on my part
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I read about this flyer going around in another thread. Any idea if there is a Seattle area date planned?
I too want to know if BD is having a demo tour? I'd love to check it out in the Milwaukee/Waukesha, Wisconsin area. I'll be heading to an HD DVD demo in Waukesha soon. Certainly the BDA can arrange a visit too.
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I'd like to see some larger comparison shots if anyone has a link.
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Spiderman 2 was shot (supposedly) in anamorphic Panavision (like Batman Begins) rather than Super 35. They'd be cropping the sides, not opening anything up.

I would think this the same demo that has been used for over a year, and is quite long in the tooth rather than totally indicative the Blu-Ray technology of today. The player isn't even the model that's going to be released this summer, but the old Japanese model that isn't compatible with today's Blu-Ray discs.

We shall see...

Of course, I probably will be waiting until the 2nd generation players to see if the bugs and features get ironed out, and they add HDMI 1.3 outputs.

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