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Here's why I think so:

1) I don't know about the rest of you, but the movies coming on HD DVD are much preferable to majority being released exclusively on Blue-Ray. I count 6 movies I want on BluRay right now, that will not be available on HD DVD. Far more on HD DVD exclusively. Those being released on noth formats - great - doesn't change the above fact.

2) The JAVA-based menuing and control system on BluRay is not ready yet. This means that all the sets being released first will be missing the active content and menuing promised. Contrast this to the standards-based system that will be used on HD DVD and will ship with all units from the start.

3) As a result of Number 2 above, I have been informed that the Digital Rights Management (which is dependent on this software) will not work EITHER. that means no ability to view the content on my various gadgets, nor any interactive online content (not that I can imagine what that's about anyway

4) The prices that have been announced so far indicate that HD DVD will likely be hitting around the $30 mark, whereas BluRay more like $40.

5) Prices for the initial eqipment announcements indicate BluRay machines (right now) to be an average of 2 or 3 times the price of HD DVD machines.

Only two wild cards -

(1) The PS3... remains to be seen what quality it outputs and what restrictions become apparent when the software arrives.

(2) The first two HD DVD units from Toshiba will only output 1080i from the 1080p content on the disks - this could HURT early adoption, as some will obviously want to wait for 1080p machines - it'seven a tough choice for me, frankly, and I consider this a blunder. Now BluRay is having the same problems because apparently AACS copy protection was only finalized in January for 1080p output, and may be the same reason for 1080i on early HD DVD units?

Now, that said, I know that I will be getting BOTH players. But I will NOT be paying $1800 to join BluRay camp - this means I will be waiting to buy BluRay much later when the prices become sane/reasonable.

In the meantime - you can bet your bottom dollar that my investment will be primarily in HD DVD software.

Now I might be wrong, but it's an opinion...
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I feel similar to you, however ONE major flaw that HD DVD has right now is FOX. Most of my fav movies are on FOX, and IF they supported HD DVD, then I wouldn't be so edgy about the pre order of the toshiba. I think I will get the toshiba, but I also really want the sony. Is it true about the menu system on BD? How long of a delay before that gets resolved? Crutchfield has a free return policy, and I pre ordered "Chronos" HD movie.....I'll see if I made a mistake when I sold my DVHS collection for these new formats. AS OF TODAY....Toshiba HD-A1 and PS3 later....
PS IS it also true that movies on blu are going to be more money...I heard that they were to be roughly the same price.

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YEs, the BluRay software is not finalized - the initial units they release later this year will aparently be called "Basic" and later releases that include he software will be called something else.

This may also be what's holding up the finalizing of the PS3 Specs - I didn't mention in my post that the PS3 is now said to be coming out later than planned, and that it manufacturing cost is going to be close to $900 at the start! Sony will have to swallow hard and take serious losses in the beginning to get the thing established...

Everyone argues over the price thing - I'd love to think that disks will really retail for $23 as some people say, but it doesn't seem so based on wholesale prices some have talked about. Maybe it will only be a $5 difference instead of $10, but either way it only slightly hardens a decision I'm making based on title availability anyway. There really is no contest if you compare what will be available on HD DVD from the get go, versus "exclusively" on BD later on in the year. It's a no brainer.
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If HD DVD gets a good jump, Fox will be obliged to support it. Wouldn't be a good shareholder decision to miss the revenue opportunity
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I'll grace you with a lengthy tirade disproving everything above, but I haven't got time right now.

So in the meantime, here is the short reply:

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Wrong.

And wrong.

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FUD, misinformation, and a pack of lies, starting with the thread title.

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Sorry, but I don't see any reason to support or buy anything in these formats from companies who are about as anti-consumer as one can be....?

Count me in as one sitting on the sidelines... watching what happens.
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I'll grace you with a lengthy tirade disproving everything above, but I haven't got time right now.

So in the meantime, here is the short reply:

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Wrong.

And wrong.
:) Well when you do find the time, feel free. In the mean time count me as unmoved, unmoved, unmoved (sticks and stones and all that)...

About the only thing I've written that is debateable is the software pricing matter - we'll all have to wait on that.

The most critical matters I've mentioned involve the java-based software on the BD players and the fact that the early players wont have it because it isn't ready yet. Ditto on the AACS issues, ditto on the hardware pricing issues.

Look, the bottom line is that all of us want hi-def stuff to play. There's no point in having preconceived notions going in and I'm only judging as I go, based on the information at hand.

About the only clear advantage BD has is that it has more storage space per layer. This represent ZERO advantage to me as a PC user, since BOTH BD and HD-DVD have pretty much admitted that they will keep the price of blank media ridiculously high for years to prevent copying.

So that leaves Video - and I understand that early BD releases will be mpeg2, which would completely negate this advantage. Even if both used same codecs for the same releases - I would have to be convinced that most studios would consider it worth their time to encode the same movie at different data rates for each media, just to get higher PQ.

And that is not even taking into account the strong possibility that most initial HD DVD releases may well be dual layer disks (30 Gig) and most initial BD releases may well be single layer (25 Gig) so that they can be price-competitive on production and sale price.

Oh, and I also forgot to include that the mass market wildcard, the PS3, appears to be hitting a few snags itself and may launch too late to get the jump on HD DVD, so that they can bring down the production cost.

I'm being very objective here, so I'll be happy to hear your insight when you have the time.
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I'm being very objective here, so I'll be happy to hear your insight when you have the time.
Your thread title is about as UN-objective as it gets.

You also passed off several opinions as facts in your opening post, so it forces me to have questions about what your intentions are, no matter how well written or polite you may be.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...00#post7195700

The duplication of this really makes me wonder. It's dead wrong no matter how many times you repeat it.

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I think a thread title change is in order. Mods???

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If HD DVD gets a good jump, Fox will be obliged to support it. Wouldn't be a good shareholder decision to miss the revenue opportunity
fox will never be on hd-dvd imo.... thats why blueray has bd+ (which i personally dont like because its just more copy protection)

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And that is not even taking into account the strong possibility that most initial HD DVD releases may well be dual layer disks (30 Gig) and most initial BD releases may well be single layer (25 Gig) so that they can be price-competitive on production and sale price.
I completly agree with this point though...... Blueray will have more capacity per layer but imo that doesnt mean a damn thing. Just look at the DVD DL vs SL discs out now for PC. Very few people buy DL dvdr's because they cost so much compared to the SL couterparts. Just because it has more capacity doesnt mean it will be there price wise. Its going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out but I really feel that most db movies will be on a single layer and have the "criterion" collection of movies on DL so they can charge more. The question will be what does HD-DVD do with their discs.
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Your thread title is about as UN-objective as it gets.

You also passed off several opinions as facts in your opening post, so it forces me to have questions about what your intentions are, no matter how well written or polite you may be.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...00#post7195700

The duplication of this really makes me wonder. It's dead wrong no matter how many times you repeat it.
Sorry Q, I'm not looking for any agro, but the forum is here to exchange opinions also. Yes, I'm being judgemental, and maybe I'm airing some assumptions to see if someone can show me whether they are correct or incorrect.

However, rest assured that I have no untoward intentions, nor do I have any underlying interests in one camp of the other.

I have clearly stated also, that I think it is a blunder by HD DVDcamp for first players to not support 1080p, but my view is starting to judge HD DVD as where I'll invest at this time.

I may well turn out to be completely wrong and re-purchase everything in six-months because the PQ on BD turns out to be twice as good as HD DVD - but my gut is telling me that that is not going to be the case.

It certainly will be years before the market decides the winner and most people making the decisions will be looking for cheaper solutions than early adopters. But in the mean time I want to start making the most of my gear and I've waited years for all the pieces of the Hi Def puzzle to start falling into place. It's time to start enjoying the sucker.

One of the biggest things I'm delighted about for BOTH formats is that the sound will finally do my equipment justice! DVDs with DTS and hi-end audio have become scarcer in the last two years. D-Theatre was fab for sound. Both BD and HD DVD will make the picture come to life based on better audio alone.
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Here's why I think so:

1) I don't know about the rest of you, but the movies coming on HD DVD are much preferable to majority being released exclusively on Blue-Ray. I count 6 movies I want on BluRay right now, that will not be available on HD DVD. Far more on HD DVD exclusively. Those being released on noth formats - great - doesn't change the above fact.

2) The JAVA-based menuing and control system on BluRay is not ready yet. This means that all the sets being released first will be missing the active content and menuing promised. Contrast this to the standards-based system that will be used on HD DVD and will ship with all units from the start.

3) As a result of Number 2 above, I have been informed that the Digital Rights Management (which is dependent on this software) will not work EITHER. that means no ability to view the content on my various gadgets, nor any interactive online content (not that I can imagine what that's about anyway

4) The prices that have been announced so far indicate that HD DVD will likely be hitting around the $30 mark, whereas BluRay more like $40.

5) Prices for the initial eqipment announcements indicate BluRay machines (right now) to be an average of 2 or 3 times the price of HD DVD machines.

Only two wild cards -

(1) The PS3... remains to be seen what quality it outputs and what restrictions become apparent when the software arrives.

(2) The first two HD DVD units from Toshiba will only output 1080i from the 1080p content on the disks - this could HURT early adoption, as some will obviously want to wait for 1080p machines - it'seven a tough choice for me, frankly, and I consider this a blunder. Now BluRay is having the same problems because apparently AACS copy protection was only finalized in January for 1080p output, and may be the same reason for 1080i on early HD DVD units?

Now, that said, I know that I will be getting BOTH players. But I will NOT be paying $1800 to join BluRay camp - this means I will be waiting to buy BluRay much later when the prices become sane/reasonable.

In the meantime - you can bet your bottom dollar that my investment will be primarily in HD DVD software.

Now I might be wrong, but it's an opinion...
Ok, I'll bite:

1) Too early in the game to validate your claim and most likely what you state is going to change.

2) Units are not even out yet and guess what, as platforms evolve, new features get added. Almost every industry work this way, its called generations and versions. Again, invailid claim.

3) See #2

4) One, you get what you pay for and two, until you can actually puchase, don't speculate on the prices.

5) You get what you pay for and see #4.

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Damn!!!!!!! You gotta' feel stupid passing this thread off as an original when you did the exact same thing before, I noticed that there were hardly any responses to it the last time so I guess you thought that you would try it again. BLU RAY = 1080p/60, PS3, Majority Studio Support and Digital Playground for all you porn buffs out there :D

Sony announced pricing at $23, your $40 figure is over inflated like your confidence in your posts supporting HD DVD

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Sorry Q, I'm not looking for any agro, but the forum is here to exchange opinions also. Yes, I'm being judgemental, and maybe I'm airing some assumptions to see if someone can show me whether they are correct or incorrect.
No you clearly passed off your opinions as facts outright. (Unwittingly, I hope.)

Some of them are misinformed and outright incorrect, as you are seeing by the responses from other forumers.


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However, rest assured that I have no untoward intentions, nor do I have any underlying interests in one camp of the other.

I have clearly stated also, that I think it is a blunder by HD DVDcamp for first players to not support 1080p, but my view is starting to judge HD DVD as where I'll invest at this time.

I may well turn out to be completely wrong and re-purchase everything in six-months because the PQ on BD turns out to be twice as good as HD DVD - but my gut is telling me that that is not going to be the case.
Ain't early adopting fun? ;)


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It certainly will be years before the market decides the winner and most people making the decisions will be looking for cheaper solutions than early adopters. But in the mean time I want to start making the most of my gear and I've waited years for all the pieces of the Hi Def puzzle to start falling into place. It's time to start enjoying the sucker.

One of the biggest things I'm delighted about for BOTH formats is that the sound will finally do my equipment justice! DVDs with DTS and hi-end audio have become scarcer in the last two years. D-Theatre was fab for sound. Both BD and HD DVD will make the picture come to life based on better audio alone.
I think we all agree on these points here. :)


I wish you would have come across with this tone to begin with, as well as a thread title that's like what the mods have currently edited it to.

I think you would have had a much better response, overall.

See Kipp Jones's post above this to get my basic responses to your points.

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Ok, I'll bite:

1) Too early in the game to validate your claim and most likely what you state is going to change.

2) Units are not even out yet and guess what, as platforms evolve, new features get added. Almost every industry work this way, its called generations and versions. Again, invailid claim.

3) See #2

4) One, you get what you pay for and two, until you can actually puchase, don't speculate on the prices.

5) You get what you pay for and see #4.
Hi Q - much of what you say on this makes perfect sense. I'm just very eager to get this stuff into my home, so will want to buy gear today, not in the months and years ahead.

On (1) I've based my opinion on all announced titles to date. Sales of these will likely drive future decisions. On (2) yes, it's true that's how the industry works as things move fast. But as a result of problem mentioned I believe that early BD units will not have all the functions promised. On (4) I'll be pleased if BD movies are the same price as HD, but there are technical reasons which lead me to believe they could never be cheaper. On (5) I agree that this is generally the case, but feel that volume also makes quality more affordable and Toshiba has made a jump to get some early volume which may help the format become established faster. Samsung or anyone in the BD camp could equalize tomorrow and my argument would become worthless - so I completely accept that the data at hand may change.

I fully respect your opinion and the fact that both formats will bring some excellent material to the home. Perhaps it was out of line for me to proclaim one better than the other in my excitement to get content into the pipeline.

I hope that you'll forgive my admitted indulgence in such pronouncements but consider that both formats are likely to thrive for now. We may be having a drink on me in two years when HD DVD fails!
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I wish you would have come across with this tone to begin with, as well as a thread title that's like what the mods have currently edited it to.

I think you would have had a much better response, overall.

See Kipp Jones's post above this to get my basic responses to your points.
Me too - apologies!

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Very few people buy DL dvdr's because they cost so much compared to the SL couterparts.
That was true a year ago ... now almost every mid/high-range PC comes with a DL +/-R,RW burner ... the SL burners are winding down. We just bought some Dell's here, and we had no choice -- they only came with DL burners.

As for the media, it is following the same price-drop curve as the SL disks did when they first appeared a few years ago.

Let's check back in a year and revisit the price points on the blank media :)
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Hi Q - much of what you say on this makes perfect sense. I'm just very eager to get this stuff into my home, so will want to buy gear today, not in the months and years ahead.
Again, we can all relate to this feeling!


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On (1) I've based my opinion on all announced titles to date. Sales of these will likely drive future decisions.
Yes, but you indicated in your original post an obvious subjectivity about WHICH titles would interest you.

That's all good and fine, but where you slipped was when you projected THAT subjective opinion into something more authoritative.

If HD-DVD has the most content that interests you, then obviously it's a no-brainer for you to purchase an HD-DVD player ASAP.

But that doesn't make HD-DVD the superior format outright. That doesn't overcome the facts of more studio support and more consumer electronics' companies support that BR currently enjoys.





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On (2) yes, it's true that's how the industry works as things move fast. But as a result of problem mentioned I believe that early BD units will not have all the functions promised.
Ok, that's your opinion. Fair enough. But not fact. It's possible. Obviously none of us should believe anything until we actually SEE IT.



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On (4) I'll be pleased if BD movies are the same price as HD, but there are technical reasons which lead me to believe they could never be cheaper.
It's already been established that these discs will be all roughly the same price.

You're welcome to believe what you like, but that doesn't necessarily make it so.



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On (5) I agree that this is generally the case, but feel that volume also makes quality more affordable and Toshiba has made a jump to get some early volume which may help the format become established faster.
What do you base this feeling on?


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Samsung or anyone in the BD camp could equalize tomorrow and my argument would become worthless - so I completely accept that the data at hand may change.
Definitely. This entire market is still in mad flux all the way.


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I fully respect your opinion and the fact that both formats will bring some excellent material to the home. Perhaps it was out of line for me to proclaim one better than the other in my excitement to get content into the pipeline.
You can see what reaction you got. ;)

Thank you for taking the time to clarify yourself and "clear the air." :)

We have plenty of people who wouldn't bother, and that's unfortunate.


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I hope that you'll forgive my admitted indulgence in such pronouncements but consider that both formats are likely to thrive for now. We may be having a drink on me in two years when HD DVD fails!
I'm not rooting for something to fail. I'm rooting for things to finalize ASAP and we get the best possible format possible in ever respect. I'd love to have an outcome ultimately like the way DVD was handled.

This "format war" taxes my patience and disappoints me.It just means that much more of a delay.

There's plenty I've seen on both sides that frustrates me.




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Ok, I'll bite:

2) Units are not even out yet and guess what, as platforms evolve, new features get added. Almost every industry work this way, its called generations and versions. Again, invailid claim.

5) You get what you pay for and see #4.
And... the past history of upsampling DVD player laws and regulations and the continued move toward outregulating and outlawing what hardware manufacturers come up with to meet the consumers needs... only serve to make everyone who isn't a millionaire... wait, and wait and wait till all this crap shakes out...

Probably, by then (in 2008 or later), 1080p and SHD will be the norm and those that bought into this interim anti-consumer BS stuff will be the ones posting in very Peev'd posts..... with stuff they can't sell in the marketplace.
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Okay, here's the long answer:

1. Available movies

Let's look beyond the launch titles and try to see what the studio allegiances would do to us

We've got Fox, Disney and Sony with Blu-ray, and Universal with HD DVD. Paramount and Warner Brothers are going to release equally for both formats. Dreamworks is now releasing under Paramount, so both formats as wellsituation is not clear (they went with Universal for home video, but now they have been bought by Paramount), so I won't count them for either side.

How does all translate in the current film scene?

1. Mainstream list

I used the most recent DVD bestselling list on Video Business:

1. Wedding Crashers (NL/WB)
2. The Cave (Sony)
3. The 40-Year-Old Virgin (Uni)
4. The Gospel (Sony)
5. American Pie Presents: Band Camp (Uni)
6. Into The Blue (Sony)
7. Four Brothers (Par)
8. Mr. & Mrs. Smith (Fox)
9. Fantastic Four (Fox)
10. The Exorcism Of Emily Rose (Sony)
11. Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith (Fox)
12. The Island (DW/Uni)
13. The Brothers Grimm (BV)
14. Serenity (Uni)
15. War Of The Worlds (DW/UNI)
16. Family Guy-Vol. 3 (Fox)
17. March of the Penguins (WB)
18. Dark Water (BV)
19. Cinderella Man (Uni)
20. Madagascar (DW/Uni)


HD DVD
American Pie Presents: Band Camp
Cinderella Man
Four Brothers
March of the Penguins
Serenity
The 40-Year-Old Virgin
Wedding Crashers

Blu-ray
Dark Water
Family Guy-Vol. 3
Fantastic Four
Four Brothers
Into The Blue
March of the Penguins
Mr. & Mrs. Smith
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith
The Brothers Grimm
The Cave
The Exorcism of Emily Rose
The Gospel
Wedding Crashers

2. Cinephile list

For this purpose, I've used the search engine at rogerebert.com and have searched for the films released in 2005 and which he gave 4 stars to:


Batman Begins (WB)
Bee Season (Fox)
The Best of Youth (Miramax)
Brokeback Mountain (Focus)
Broken Flowers (Focus)
Capote (Sony)
The Constant Gardener (Focus)
Crash (Lions Gate)
Downfall (Sony)
Good Night, and Good Luck (Warner)
Grizzly Man (Lions Gate)
Junebug (Sony)
King Kong (Universal)
Last Days (HBO)
Me and You and Everyone We Know (Sony)
Millions (Fox)
Munich (Dreamworks/Universal)
Murderball (Think Film)
No Direction Home: Bob Dylan (Paramount)
North Country (Warner)
Oldboy (Tartan)
Oscar Short Subject Nominees (Apollo Cinema)
Pride & Prejudice (Focus)
Proof (Miramax)
Saraband (Sony)
Sin City (Miramax)
Syriana (Warner)
Turtles Can Fly (MGM)
The Two of Us (Paramount)
The Upside of Anger (New Line)
Yes (Sony)


HD DVD
Batman Begins
Brokeback Mountain
Broken Flowers
The Constant Gardener
Good Night, and Good Luck
King Kong
Last Days
No Direction Home: Bob Dylan
North Country
Pride & Prejudice
Syriana
The Two of Us
The Upside of Anger

I have removed all titles for which no studio allegiance is known. Also I've deleted the IMAX presentation of The Polar Express.

Blu-ray
Batman Begins
Bee Season
The Best of Youth
Capote
Crash
Downfall
Good Night, and Good Luck
Grizzly Man
Junebug
Last Days
Me and You and Everyone We Know
Millions
No Direction Home: Bob Dylan
North Country
Proof
Saraband
Sin City
Syriana
Turtles Can Fly
The Two of Us
The Upside of Anger
Yes

Granted, not having Focus Features on Blu-ray is a drag. But still, the selection on Blu-ray is much better than on HD DVD.

BTW, Fox signed up for Blu-ray because of added security (BD+). HD DVD wouldn't give them that, and they're not likely to give it to Fox now.

2. Interactivity
All Blu-ray players will have BD-J out of the box. However, the interactivity profile may differ from one model to another. If anything, I'd be wary of the interactivity on HD DVD players (see the disclaimers Toshiba have added recently).

3. DRM
AACS is the same for both formats. Initially, Managed Copy won't be available for Blu-ray or HD DVD.

4. Movie prices
No studio has given $40.
Catalog Blu-ray disc titles from Sony will wholesale for $17.95; new releases for $23.45 (that would correspond to $29.95 and $34.95).
Lions Gate has given a price of $24.98
The only title you can prerorder at Amazon (Chronos) has the exact same price on both formats.

5. Player prices

The PS3 will probably cost around $500. You'll say "But that's not a real player". But in this forum that has never bothered us.

Some years ago, people jumped on a little presentation projector called the NEC LT150. The connoisseurs said it wasn't a real home cinema projector. But it gave a surprisingly good picture quality, especially when coupled with a PC (another heresy at the time - how could you use it a computer as a player/deinterlacer/scaler??)

People use blackout cloth as screen fabric. And apparently the quality is very good. Me, I use an Ikea roller blind, after a member of a French forum found out it was made of the same material unity gain screens are made of.

You say we don't know what quality the PS3 will offer. True. Just as we don't know anything about the picture and sound quality of the rest of the new upcoming hardware.

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I agree to a point that content matters but for me you have to look beyond studio support. To me its about who has the "GOOD" movies that I want to buy. 85% of the movies you just listed I have no intention of buying and 50% I have no intention of even renting.

This is where Universal comes in because over the years they have made man "GOOD" movies. Band of Brothers will be a must for me, King Kong, Serenity (I plan on purchasing all of those on HD-DVD) etc.

Just like on the blueray side Pirates of the Carib, StarWars will be stuff I WANT to own.

A majority of the stuff studios produce these days is utter crap and movies/features I would have no intention of seeing. I think too many people just look at the numbers alone (which is where blueray has an advantage) but you look at the number of good movies and its pretty damn even.
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Studio support can change. It already has to get to where we are now vs a year ago. It will change again if a de facto standard immerges. Fox wanted additional copy protection over AACS and Bluray gave it to them.

If HD-DVD becomes the dominant standard, do you really think Fox is going to keep all their content on DVD with it's completely broken CSS copy protection? What's the alternative? D-Theater had better copy protection than DVD, and they supported the format it briefly, but no longer. AACS by itself is still a better option for Fox than what they're currently releasing on. They can't afford not to release on a next gen format, so they'll take the best they can get. If that turns out to be "just AACS" on HD-DVD, so be it.

Also it's not as simple as studio support for the format = movies from that studio available to consumers on discs. For example, Lucas can hold up Star Wars and given their understandable business reasons for their extremely delayed DVD rollout, I highly doubt we'll see it on HD any time soon. By the time Lucas green lights the project, a lot of studio allegiances can change.

 

 

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studio support can change. The question is will it in 2006 and how. Do you think if 20k players are sold that that Fox and the rest will go, look at what we are missing? It will be some time before HD-DVD or BD gets enough players out there to make any studio exec slap his forehead and say "look at what we are missing, we were so stupid"
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The prices for movies in the Blu-ray format were announced over 2 weeks ago.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1922550,00.asp

It was certainly easy for anyone to check this out:

"Sony Pictures on Tuesday became the first major studio to put a price tag on Blu-ray discs when they become available in U.S. stores this year. "

"Catalog Blu-ray disc titles will wholesale for $17.95, about the same as DVDs when that format hit the market in 1997. New-release Blu-ray discs will wholesale for $23.45, a premium of 15 percent-20 percent over what suppliers were charging for new theatrical DVDs."

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That $40 price exaggeration in the original post, alone, blows out the validity of this thread ! How can anyone miss the mark by double the actual price ?

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There he goes again... Good Ol' R. Reagan's favorite Troll line !
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The prices for movies in the Blu-ray format were announced over 2 weeks ago.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1922550,00.asp

It was certainly easy for anyone to check this out:

"Sony Pictures on Tuesday became the first major studio to put a price tag on Blu-ray discs when they become available in U.S. stores this year. "

"Catalog Blu-ray disc titles will wholesale for $17.95, about the same as DVDs when that format hit the market in 1997. New-release Blu-ray discs will wholesale for $23.45, a premium of 15 percent-20 percent over what suppliers were charging for new theatrical DVDs."

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That $40 price exaggeration in the original post, alone, blows out the validity of this thread !
Indeed.

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if i were a Bd-only supporter, i would be concerned about Fox's seeming reticence to show any real enthusiasm for HD releases, as failing to come up with any concrete intial list of releases at CES would seem to suggest.

Sure Fox is signed up now, but the only studios that seem to be interested in exploiting the medium out of the gate with a good selection of new releases and catalog titles are Sony and Warner.
And the impression i get is that Sony is going to be forced to take up the slack for catalog diversity as Fox is just going to dribble and drab mostly new release crap mixed with the usual (Die Hard, X-Men, etc).
there is a lot of Fox stuff i want but i doubt i will be seeing Phantom Of The Paradise, or Oklahoma! or even Towering Inferno or Posideon Adventure anytime soon (like in the next 3 years). they took a while to get going on DVD and i think history is poised to repeat itself.
Warner looks like its going to be targeting a wider range of interests, but those won't be Bd exclusives.

imo, for Bd to catch up to HD DVD, Fox is going to have to step up to the plate and come thru in a big way by the end of the year...at least having a good assortment of titles announced by Christmas...even if they don't show up until Feb 07.
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