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I hope the shitstorm of bad press on this decision of two different systems is so intense that SCEI changes their tune before the end of E3.....

I could care less whether the $499 "tard edition" can be upgraded to HDMI later on or not. We were "supposed" to get dual HDMI outputs, well, no surprise there.
But, we better get 1 HDMI output no matter which version we buy. I'm not impressed...
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I don't see what the big deal is.
Even if you get the "base" version you can have very high quality games & BD (1080i), most people don't even have a HDTV yet so they don't need HDMI.

Why do you need more than 1 HDMI output??
You planning on watching it on 2 TV's at once??

I'll be at BB tomorrow to see if they'll put my name on the wating list for the $599 version!!

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Everyone seems to forget that this is a videogame system first and foremost. This means two things. 1. Unless you luck out and are one of the first ten to reserve it you probably won't get one until Jan/Feb. 2. It's extremely difficult to buy stand alone game systems nowadays. So you're going to have to buy a bundle. So when you factor in 2 games($120) and an extra controller($40-50). You're looking at around $800. Let's not forget about any movies you might want to buy that day. All of this for a Blur-ray player which will most likely be sub-standard. You might as well buy a standalone player. Will this thing even have analog inputs?
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Why would it need inputs, analog or otherwise?

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Good catch, I meant to say outputs. But my point is that if you the PS3 lacks the bells and whistles of a standalone player. I for one like my bells and whistles, especially at that price.
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Good catch, I meant to say outputs. But my point is that if you the PS3 lacks the bells and whistles of a standalone player. I for one like my bells and whistles, especially at that price.


The PS3 as a BD movie player is expected to be subpar to a stand alone. To what extent we will know later this year. Start saving your pennies
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I don't get this, didn't they want to use the PS3 to boost blu-ray format, but the $500 one doesn't have HDMI output, ever!!! How can you call it a blu-ray player. It's not like HDMI is just needed for 1080p, but they advertise it so much as full HD yet they release one without it, makes no sense. You need HDMI for HDCP, what happens when movies start using it, the consumers that bought the $499 version don't know all about this. The $600 version is already worth the $100 more in other features, why did they have to cripple the $500 version with no HDMI.

Where's the name on on the PS3 for the crippled version. they just say 20gig package, that doesn't tell the consumer it's no longer a true blu-ray player. At least the 360 used "core" in the name, but the core can be brought upto premium level. And yet some consumers thought the core meant that version was slower or could never do HD. And now the PS3 crippled version is referred to as 20gig package, this will confuse people. People who think they don't need a 60gig drive will just get the 20gig version and expect the same console.

By the time the PS3 is out the 360 premium will be down to $299, and the Core down to $219, plus the HD-DVD add on drive about $100. $600 just to get a full blu-ray player out of the PS3 when you'll possibly be able to get a HD-DVD player out of the 360 for $420. And there will probably be stand-alone blu-ray players for $600 by then.

Man oh man, I thought the whole excuse and reason for a high price of the PS3 was atleast it would be a blu-ray player, but now it's a moot point see how the already more expensive $500 version lacks HDMI.

I'm going to be shaking my head for days now.
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I don't get this, didn't hey want to use the PS3 to boost blu-ray format, but the $500 one doesn't have HDMI output, ever!!! How can you call it a blu-ray player. It's not like HDMI is just needed for 1080p, but they advertise it so much as full HD yet they release one without it, makes no sense. You need HDMI for HDCP, what happens when movies start using it, the consumers that bought the $499 version don't know about all this. The $600 version is already worth the $100 more in other features, why did they have to cripple the $500 version.

Where's the name on on the PS3 for the crippled version. they just say 20gig package, that doesn't tell the consumer it's no longer a ture blu-ray player. At least the 360 used core in the name, but the core can be brought to premium level. And yet some consumers though the core meant that version was slower or could never do HD. And now the PS3 crippled version is referred to as 20gig packag, that will confuse people. People who think they don't need a 60gig drive will just get the 20gig version and expect the same console.

By the time the PS3 is out the 360 premium will be down to $299, and the core to $219, plus the HD-DVD add on drive about $100. $600 just to get a full blu-ray player out of the 360 when you'll possibly be able to get a HD-DVD player out of the 360 for $420. And there will probably be stand-alone blu-ray players for $600.

Man oh man, I thought the whole excuse and reason for a high price of the PS3 was atleast it would be a blu-ray player, but now it's a moot point see how the already more expensive $500 version lacks HDMI.

I'm going to be shaking my head for days now.

I think I would have paid somebody a $100 to not have read that.

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I think I would have paid somebody a $100 to not have read that.

What did I do wrong EDIT: I fixed some typos in that message, I was typing too fast. Please read it again or a $100 will do fine
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Nothing. It was just very stream-of-consciousness.

As for the lack of HDMI in the...let's call it the PS3 Core...that does at least guarantee one thing: the first batches of Blu-ray discs almost certainly won't be flagged to prevent playback via component at 1080i or thereabouts. Or Sony's going to be really calculating and figure out a way to enable that for the PS3 (firmware flag?) and disable it for their standalone players later...

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What did I do wrong EDIT: I fixed some typos in that message, I was typing too fast. Please read it again or a $100 will do fine

Just seems that you're making yourself waaaaaaaaaaaaay too crazy over a $100.


Wait for the other surprises. No inside information, just have my doubts that Sony is going to sell a fully enabled Blu-Ray player as part of its PS3 game console for $400 less than the competition or $900 less than its own stand alone player. (may have got the $s a bit off, but you get my message)

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It's not the price, it's just what having no HDMI technically does and how no PS3 should be without it. Having two different versions will just confuse the average consumer, they won't know the full ramifications of this later on if they bought it with plans as a blu-ray player and HDCP starts being used.
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I hope we get some kind of review on the video playback capabilities of the PS3 at E3. If it's garbage I'll skip it and just buy a stand alone player.
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Don't think it will be garbage, but yes, hopefully we'll get a review soon. But I somehow doubt it will be done on a big enough screen, on a 32" it will probably look great no matter what....

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Well, I can't figure out Sony's move with the loss of HDMI on the "core" package, either. I couldn't care less about the other stuff they left out on the "core." But I'd have gone with that package for sure for $499. Now I'll have to snag the $599 version. And it really makes no sense to in any way cripple the Blu-Ray functionality on the base model considering how much Sony has riding on Blu-Ray. Perhaps the specs will change by the time the release date comes around. A Nintendo spokesman said he was surprised that Sony announced the price this early. Maybe, like the controller, they'll see the reaction to all of this stuff and make some tweaks. There's no final hardware yet, so it wouldn't be difficult. Add HDMI back to the base model and I'm all over it. I can always upgrade the HD later if need be.

As far as the quality of the Blu-Ray playback in the PS3 is concerned, before this announcement, I'd have bet that Sony would have packed a pretty nice player into the PS3 based on the flack they got from the PS2's DVD player and the importance of Blu-Ray. Now - I'm not so sure. And I wouldn't expect any reviews until much later. As I said, there's no final hardware yet, so reviews wouldn't matter anyway.
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Oh, and incidentally, I don't see MS dropping the price of the 360 this year now. They might have if the PS3 came in at the same price points of the current 360 prices, but there's no incentive for them to take a bigger loss now that the PS3 is $100-$200 more than the current price.
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where PS3 was...... a look back....

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Really, the players should be quarantined into a sticky thread. The PS3 is going to be the sink or swim determining factor for Blu-Ray. Discussion on the PS3 should be primary as sony has bet the farm on selling the intergration of BR into it's game system. Also, it is going to be the cheapest way to get into BR for a LONG time.
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Really, the players should be quarantined into a sticky thread. The PS3 is going to be the sink or swim determining factor for Blu-Ray. Discussion on the PS3 should be primary as sony has bet the farm on selling the intergration of BR into it's game system. Also, it is going to be the cheapest way to get into BR for a LONG time.


How is $600 going to be the cheapest way to get into Blu-Ray for a long long time? I can guarantee that within a month or so after the PS3 is released, you will see a Blu-Ray player at the $300 price point competing against the new Hd-DVD models that will be priced at around $300. Both camps need to reach that level if they want the average person to buy their players. It will be a huge mistake by Sony to have their first Blu-Ray player priced at $1000 dollars sitting next to $300-499 HD-DVD players. And very very few non-gamers will buy a PS3 simply for Blu-Ray.
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exactly, 1k for a bd player is insane. Sony better be very....very careful.
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How is $600 going to be the cheapest way to get into Blu-Ray for a long long time? I can guarantee that within a month or so after the PS3 is released, you will see a Blu-Ray player at the $300 price point competing against the new Hd-DVD models that will be priced at around $300. Both camps need to reach that level if they want the average person to buy their players. It will be a huge mistake by Sony to have their first Blu-Ray player priced at $1000 dollars sitting next to $300-499 HD-DVD players. And very very few non-gamers will buy a PS3 simply for Blu-Ray.

I agree with you superman!

I can make my kids happy with Wii and wait for second generation BD or HD players for under $300, that is my decision..
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According Izumi Kawanishi interview there will be DVD up conversion and progressive conversion in ps3 but isn't this impossible on ****** pack (no HDMI)? Am i correct that css doesn't allow up conversion thru analog output?

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One thing everyone is overlookin, is that there is going to be little or none lead time between the BR launch and the PS3 launch. Essentially, the PS3 is launching with a brand new technology at the same time it is presented to the public in other ways. I don't think this has ever been done before in the history of consumer electronics.

The cost of the PS3 has been reported to be anywhere from $500 to $800, perhaps this is why Sony has been so flip about the PS3's price. From what I understand, the stand alone BR players share most of the technology in the PS3, sans the nvidia graphics chip. So, it's a given that the PS3 and or a standalone system will cost Sony AT LEAST $400 to manufacture, and may stay at that level for quite some time. If oil skyrockets this summer because of hurricanes, Iran, or a mexican revolution, both the Blu Ray players and the $500-600 PS3 maybe out of reach for consumers paying $12 at the pump.
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I can guarantee that within a month or so after the PS3 is released, you will see a Blu-Ray player at the $300 price point competing against the new Hd-DVD models that will be priced at around $300.

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I can guarantee that within a month or so after the PS3 is released, you will see a Blu-Ray player at the $300 price point competing against the new Hd-DVD models that will be priced at around $300.

Never happen.

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It will happen, but not this year. Maybe towards the end of next year, maybe? I don't think the adoption of high-def will be as fast as some hardware makers and studios are hoping/predicting, thus volumes won't be as high, thus prices won't drop as fast...

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It will happen, but not this year. Maybe towards the end of next year, maybe? I don't think the adoption of high-def will be as fast as some hardware makers and studios are hoping/predicting, thus volumes won't be as high, thus prices won't drop as fast...

I agree. I wrote "never happen" strictly in response to Supermans specific scenario.

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Ah... Of course! If would be nice, though!

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Good read and breakdown on the PS3: LINK

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