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post #181 of 32090 Old 05-16-2006, 04:58 PM
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should have had one 1080p HDMI 1.3 port on the "tard" version and the much touted dual 1080p/dual player HDMI 1.3 ports on the upgraded model.

Dumb I tells ya, dumb!

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Do we know what codecs the PS3 player will support??
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The HDMI1.3 PS3 will support all the new lossless codecs.
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Good news, but is it documented somewhere (public)? Link?

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1.3? Will 1.3 even be ready for the PS3 launch? I know that's what Sony wanted months ago, but 1.3 has been slow coming.
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http://curmudgeongamer.com/2006/05/h...-500-aint.html

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Point? technology gets cheaper over time. Would you still like to pay $4000+ for a mid range PC???
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Thought it was relevant.

Cause there has never been a succesful game console that sold for over $400.

Now, to be fair, PS 3 is a lot more than a game console.
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In case you didn't look at both charts, here is an easy run down of modern day prices.

Atari VCS launched in 1977 for $249.99 $811.21 in 2005
Nintendo Entertainment System launched in 1985 for $199.99 $354.91 in 2005
SEGA Genesis launched in 1989 for $249.99 $389.67 in 2005
NeoGeo launched in 1990 for $699.99 $1041.12 in 2005
Super Nintendo launched in 1991 for $199.99 $282.21 in 2005
Jaguar launched in 1993 for $249.99 $328.69 in 2005
3DO Interactive Multiplayer launched in 1993 for $699.95 $920.30 in 2005
SEGA Saturn launched in 1995 for $399.99 $497.66 in 2005
Nintendo 64 launched in 1996 for $199.99 $242.75 in 2005
SEGA Dreamcast launches in 1999 for $199.99 $228.09 in 2005
PlayStation launched in 1995 for $299.99 $372.01 in 2005
PlayStation 2 launched in 2000 for $299.99 $333.15 in 2005
Xbox Launched in 2001 for $299.99 $325.34 in 2005
GameCube launched in 2001 for $199.99 $216.89 in 2005

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Is anyone taking pre-orders for the PS3? Gizmodo is reporting that EB Games & Gamestop are not.

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One thing that's putting me into Console Launch Panic Mode is that EB and Gamestop won't open up pre-orders for the PS3 until the fall. Why? My local EB register girl cites a lack of confidence in Sony's ability to meet demand in November and looking to avoid nerd riots similar to the Xbox 360 launch. She also made an off-hand comment that Wii pre-orders may come earlier.

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Is anyone taking pre-orders for the PS3? Gizmodo is reporting that EB Games & Gamestop are not.

Wii is now looking to ship in October.

Nobody is really taking PS3 pre-orders at this time.

EB and Gamestop want to know how many units they are getting.
Yes, it got crazy with XBox 360, but PS2 was even worse, especially when they shipped such low numbers.
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The Pioneer representative was also making sure to mention that the Blu-ray movie playback quality on the Sony PS3 will be by far not as good as on their BDP-HD1. The Sony PS3 is not a low-cost product ($599), so you would actually expect to get a decent Blu-ray disc player, right?

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In the UK we are only getting the 'FULL' version of the PS3. No TARD package here thank goodness. Downside is it is going to cost £425.

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Point? technology gets cheaper over time. Would you still like to pay $4000+ for a mid range PC???

Not a fair comparison. Traditionally consoles are sold at a loss for the first few years. The early profits are made from software liscensing fees and accessories, followed by profits from the console itself when it matures (and has hopefully begun selling 50 mill to a 100 milll units).

Computers have traditionally sold at a profit inside and out, and the system parts individually have less per-unit-sales than consoles. They have a shorter shelf lifespan as well, so profits need to be realized quickly to support advances in technology that continually happens (as opposed to every 5 years for consoles).

The PS3 is still under-priced for all that it offers. That still doesn't mean, of course, that the masses will accept it at that price. My guess is Sony knows the early hardcore will eat up the first 6 - 8 million (which we will), so they are charging closer to manufacturing cost than normal, minimizing early losses per unit sold (the first XBox was notorious for "bleeding" billions of $$$ from Microsoft for the first four years of its life). Why let scalpers make all the money?

It would help Sony immensely though if they cut the price $50 next Spring, then another $50 in Fall '07 to bring the price in-line with what the 2nd tier of buyers are willing to put out en masse. This way they minimized early loss, but they are back on track by Christmas '07 with selling 20 million - 30 million units in the first few years due to a better price point.

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Also, I'm amazed at all the people here who definitively seem to know about the BD playback of the PS3... have any of you actually SEEN it?

I have. I live in Los Angeles and was at E3 last month. I sat in the mini living room that Sony had setup (2 sets of three booths side-by-side) and the one I was in was showing Blu-Ray previews of Sony movies. They showed Click (Adam Sandler), Monster House (CG animation), RV (Robin Williams), The Davinci Code, Hitch (old movie), Casino Royale (new James Bond flick), and Open Season (CG animation).

All of this was shown on a 70" Qualia screen and I was up front, in the center no more than 8 feet away for the entire reel, which I watched completely three times. The picture quality is absolutely AMAZING! There is no way that the quality can be improved much more than what I saw for myself.

Everything was vibrant, clean, sharp and a dozen other adjectives that haven't been invented yet. I saw NO artifacts. The visual quality was at least as good as a quality movie theater picture, but may be even better IMHO. 'Click' in particular was stunning; it almost felt 3D. The PS3 was sitting there in the case, running everything. You want something on par with the Hawaii feed looping through SXRDs at Circuit City? Get a PS3 and you'll be pleases..

It is because of the presentation that I am actually here at this website. I came back home knowing that I absolutely HAD to have the screen that the PS3 was connected to (I already knew I wanted a PS3). I did some research and found out that SXRDs are the near-equivalents, which this site's members have written a lot on. As of last night, I paid $2,800 for a 60" SXRD (yes, I know the new models are coming soon), and its all because of that E3 BluRay movie preview demonstration. Scoff if you want because you plan to get some $1,500 BluRay player at launch, but I've actually SEEN what the PS3 can output.

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I thought they didn't have any actual PS3s, just hardware decks.

There was some video clip, maybe from here, that showed the previews as some guy was showwing off the PS3 menu system, but they loaded so fast it seemed as if they were coming from a hard drive.

That'd be awesome if Blu Ray loaded that fast. Or maybe it was the PS3 that loaded fast.
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PS3s all come with a HD.

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PS3s all come with a HD.

Sorry for the confusion. My question was if the movies clips were from a Blu Ray disk, or the hard drive?
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All I can tell you is that they said it is coming from the PS3's BluRay drive (displayed on the screen as well periodically). I didn't exactly trace the wires from the source to the set, but if it wasn't coming from the PS3 on display I'm guessing they had a PS3 equivalent BluRay drive secured somewhere else running the clips.

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which basicly means then, we are yet to see what a PS3 can do with BD films. I would take any Sony demo with a pinch of salt until there is proper working PS3s with actual BD movies spinning in a final production unit PS3. Then we will know the quality available

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Wrong, it doesn't "basically" mean anything of the sort. The PS3 was there. The screen and the presenters said it was all coming from the PS3. I just can't confirm it if a gun was put to my head because I didn't try to trace the wires from the system to the back of the TV (cables would've been fed through the stand holding it up into the flooring anyway).

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I hope the DVD quality is better than the ps2 equivalent, it was very bad, and a real remote not the artifact interface on ps2.
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I agree. The PS2 DVD playback was hardly top tier, even long after launch. Since then its improved as it now accepts component, and is progressive in playback. That's little consolation for early adopters.

Seeing as how PS2, for its credit, was offered for a cheap price at launch back then, maybe part of the reason for the PS3s high console price is because they've tried to get the quality right the first time. It is definitely an improvement in relative graphic quality as far as games are concerned for next-gen consoles (compared to PS2 vs. the competition back then). So far, there's no reason to believe that Blu-Ray won't also be at least as good as stand alone players in picture quality.

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Well considering other sites around theWWW, have said playback was coming from either Dev kits or PCs, then without confirmation its useless info. Not getting at you in anyway, but unless you can confirm it, then i would rather wait for somthing more solid.
I hope you are correct, i really do.

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Well considering other sites around theWWW, have said playback was coming from either Dev kits or PCs, then without confirmation its useless info. Not getting at you in anyway, but unless you can confirm it, then i would rather wait for somthing more solid.
I hope you are correct, i really do.

It was from Dev Kits and PCs, here is the link to a story that even has pics showing where the video out was really coming from.

Part of the story-'First off, the display models appeared to be simply boxes painted in pretty colors to wow the throngs of unwashed (if you were at E3, you know I am not kidding) masses. The problem is if you looked at the display models, they had all the fan grates blocked. This either means they had solved the modern problem of semiconductors and drives using electricity, or they were still empty.'
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Well here's what Ken Kuteragi had to say about how the games were running.

"First up is Ken Kutaragi. The SCE chief told the magazine that while the PS3 demo units at E3 can be considered real hardware, the actual game demos at the show were not running off optical media. SCE had the games running off hard disk in order to download updates as the show progressed. This ability was apparently put to use with Gran Turismo HD, which, according to Kutaragi, saw updated versions on each day of the show."

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OK, then the attendant was either lying (obviously possible) or the movie clips were playing on the Blu Ray drive that's finalized for the PS3 (even if it wasn't physically in a PS3).

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I hope the DVD quality is better than the ps2 equivalent, it was very bad, and a real remote not the artifact interface on ps2.

I don't intend to watch any DVD's on my PS3
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I agree. The PS2 DVD playback was hardly top tier, even long after launch. Since then its improved as it now accepts component, and is progressive in playback. That's little consolation for early adopters.
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With BluRay, it HAS to be top quality. Not a single artifact will be acceptable.

If it's kind of crappy like the DVD playback, then that won't be good for Sony.

I would expect top notch HD performance from the PS3, anything less is a complete failure imo.
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