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I see posts alluding to both sides, i.e. some say that hd won't be transmitted over component, some says it will, and then some mention hd will, but dvd upsampling won't be possible.

I spent 4500 on a really nice hdtv set a few years back. It has given me a lot of great times, and it looks like it will for several more years to come (pioneer hd rptv, crt technology). However, it does NOT have HDMI...... Only VGA and component...

If BluRay won't support hd over component, I guess I won't be getting into it until I need a new set/projector...
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I searched on Google (<G> should probably have done that first.... but I guess this may be useful for some anyways...)

Seems each studio gets to decide whether to allow or disallow sending the hd signal as is..Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the big ones will decide to cripple... It wouldn't make any sense whatsoever to me. Why on earth restrict it? It's not like hardly anyone has the means to copy hd analog signals. The pirates will find a way around it anyway - they always do.

Great plan from Hollywood (unless they all take to their senses and do NOT implement...) again to fight piracy: Make sure that not only the pirate copies are cheaper, they will also be outputting better quality for the vast number of people who own non-hdcp dvi, or component display devices...

It will also be interesting to see how fast some chinese manufacturers decide to come out with players which override/allow you to override the studio flags....
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I was at the Littleguys in Glenwood IL today to see the Sony Demo of Blu-ray and the Sony Rep said Sony and Disney are not going to down-rez the component video, but it up to each studio to decide this issue.


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I was at the Littleguys in Glenwood IL today to see the Sony Demo of Blu-ray and the Sony Rep said Sony and Disney are not going to down-rez the component video, but it up to each studio to decide this issue.


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Correct, as I understand, both Blu-ray and HD DVD players have the ability to down-rez the analog output. The disc will need to be encoded to trigger the 480p component video output.

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Doesn't ICT trigger a downconvert to 960x540p?


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Doesn't ICT trigger a downconvert to 960x540p?
That is correct.
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ICT allows a maximum of 960x540. If they want, they can do 480p. Lets hope that they don't (or even use ICT at all).

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Four of the five major studios that support Blu-ray have said they won't use the ICT token for their initial Blu-ray releases. This was confirmed by Alex here and here. Their is no word on what Time Warner or Universal will decide in regards to the ICT token. And if enough people don't buy from the studios that use the ICT token it may even go away. Maybe optimistic, but not impossible. Also here is a short description of ICT that I have posted before in a few other threads:

Description of ICT
The new copy protection system found in Blu-ray/HD-DVD is AACS and includes something called ICT (Image Constraint Token). ICT was also required in the DTCP copy protection system and allowed for digital video to be downconverted if it was output over an analog output. If the movie has the ICT token activated than the player will automatically downconvert the video to 540x960 though the video can than be upconverted. For instance here are two examples of what may happen:

Braveheart (ICT token is off)
1080p video will output at the highest resolution the display can accept

Batman Begins (ICT token is on)
1080p video will be downconverted to 540x960 and than upconverted to the highest resolution the display can accept

Amir confirmed that ICT was a part of the specs of AACS. One small bone thrown to consumers is that any disc that has the ICT token activated must have that fact clearly labelled on the packaging of the movie. As such when you buy a Blu-ray/HD-DVD movie you will be able to tell whether it can output HD over component video. Also AACS devices, which include Blu-ray/HD-DVD, can not have analog outputs on them after 2013. That though is still a good number of years away.
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